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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by buzzdalf
(Post 9451234)
I have been thinking the same thing about the fail safe key. I think that WAS the bomb.
Although, maybe it still IS the bomb and it was always put there by the losties. After they flash out at the end of the episode Dharma decides to use it as the fail safe. They were just setting up what really happened and didn't change anything. hmm, I have to wonder. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9450980)
I don’t think anybody has mentioned this possibility yet, so I just throw this out there. Plus, if this is right, I want credit for predicting it.
I can’t help but think that Jacob and Ben may actually be working together in a long con of sorts. I can’t get past the fact that Ben really started acting out of character once he saw the resurrected Locke. I know we are supposed to attribute that to his shock of seeing Locke alive. But I think he was actually playing dumb. Little things like his claiming to not know about the drug plane. I don’t believe for a minute that Ben didn’t already know about that plane. I think he knew all along that Locke wasn’t really Locke and he was just lying low to figure out what to do. Of course all of this begs the question: Why did he seemingly kill Jacob? I don’t think we know enough (or anything) about this supposed loophole at this point, but his appearing to kill Jacob may have been part of a bigger plan to lull him into a false sense of security, while the grand plan is put into place (“They’re coming”). Bottom line: Ben has been too much of a kick ass character to have been so easily bamboozled at this point. We have to assume that Jacob choose Ben as a leader (unlike Locke) and he did it for a reason. I definitely would want Ben on my side if a war was coming. I know my evidence on this is flimsy, but I’m going with my gut on this one. They bamboozled the hell out of Locke and basically left him dead on the side of the road after he was there from the beginning. What makes you think that they didn't do it to Ben as well? Who thinks that Ben and Locke are actually brothers that have been duped all along? |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by dsa_shea
(Post 9451386)
They bamboozled the hell out of Locke and basically left him dead on the side of the road after he was there from the beginning. What makes you think that they didn't do it to Ben as well? Who thinks that Ben and Locke are actually brothers that have been duped all along?
Ben, on the other hand, has always been 3 moves ahead of everyone. He's the classic manipulator and strategist. Plus he knows all kinds of crap about that island. Island needs moving? Sure there's donkey wheel behind this wall that'll do the trick. Need to fight the bad guys? Let me pull this drain to summon a smoke monster. Need Locke's daddy? Get the magic box. Need a drug plane? Umm. I got no idea what you're talking about. I'm just not buying it. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9450980)
I don’t think anybody has mentioned this possibility yet, so I just throw this out there. Plus, if this is right, I want credit for predicting it.
I can’t help but think that Jacob and Ben may actually be working together in a long con of sorts. I can’t get past the fact that Ben really started acting out of character once he saw the resurrected Locke. I know we are supposed to attribute that to his shock of seeing Locke alive. But I think he was actually playing dumb. Little things like his claiming to not know about the drug plane. I don’t believe for a minute that Ben didn’t already know about that plane. I think he knew all along that Locke wasn’t really Locke and he was just lying low to figure out what to do. Of course all of this begs the question: Why did he seemingly kill Jacob? I don’t think we know enough (or anything) about this supposed loophole at this point, but his appearing to kill Jacob may have been part of a bigger plan to lull him into a false sense of security, while the grand plan is put into place (“They’re coming”). Bottom line: Ben has been too much of a kick ass character to have been so easily bamboozled at this point. We have to assume that Jacob choose Ben as a leader (unlike Locke) and he did it for a reason. I definitely would want Ben on my side if a war was coming. I know my evidence on this is flimsy, but I’m going with my gut on this one. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I was thinking earlier today about some things I would ask myself, or at least stop to consider, if I found myself in a situation where I went back in time with a group of friends and had the opportunity to possibly change the past by detonating an atomic weapon, which might in turn change the future from which I and my friends came. Especially if I were a "man of science" who had acted in a rational manner thus far in my life, with the defining character trait of always wanting to make things right.
All of these are things that Jack (and the other characters) apparently didn't think about, question, or discuss with anyone else this season, because the plot needed to move, move, move! |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9451306)
Or maybe the bomb going off did work in averting disaster and Dharma decided to procure another bomb as a failsafe for future disasters.
In order for the failsafe to be a bomb then the bomb that the losties dropped had to have exploded with minimal damage above ground so that Dharma could continue on with the knowledge of how to contain the electromagnetism and how to ultimately destroy it. Fate Never Changes. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
While watching the events at the Swan play out I kept thinking, why set off the nuke? Just shoot the Radzinsky guy so Dr. Chang can cut the drill off before it hits the energy pocket. Disaster averted!!
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
What's hilarious is the Losties both cause the incident and will provide the information needed (from the future) to contain it before either dying or leaving the island.
Still not certain why Richard said he saw them all die though. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Wow. Really? Another bomb on the island?
People have gone insane. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Is the rest of Jughead useless without its core or can it still be detonated in part?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by taa455
(Post 9451680)
While watching the events at the Swan play out I kept thinking, why set off the nuke? Just shoot the Radzinsky guy so Dr. Chang can cut the drill off before it hits the energy pocket. Disaster averted!!
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9451450)
Mainly because Locke's character has always been easily manipulated his entire life. Especially by father-type figures. We've always been convinced from the onset that Locke is something special (and I kinda think he still may be), but Richard, himself, pointed out that he didn't see anything special about Locke.
Ben, on the other hand, has always been 3 moves ahead of everyone. He's the classic manipulator and strategist. Plus he knows all kinds of crap about that island. Island needs moving? Sure there's donkey wheel behind this wall that'll do the trick. Need to fight the bad guys? Let me pull this drain to summon a smoke monster. Need Locke's daddy? Get the magic box. Need a drug plane? Umm. I got no idea what you're talking about. I'm just not buying it. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
(Post 9450887)
Also, the blast door map was made by Kelvin who, I wouldn't think, have intimate knowledge of what's going on, but speculating based on what he has seen... correct?
June can't get here soon enough so I can re-watch the first two seasons. :lol: When we found out Radzinsky was part of Dharma, I questioned why he would want to make a map. We can't really tell what part Radzinsky did, and what Kelvin did. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by dsa_shea
(Post 9451752)
Ben is the classic manipulator but obviously one that Jacob never really endorsed.
Otherwise, who is the one who picked Ben as the leader in the first place? Seems to me that Richard gets his orders from Jacob. That's why Richard was never convinced about Locke being the leader. Jacob never endorsed him. I do think that Ben strayed a bit from Jacob's plan and become a bit egotistical, but Jacob punished him for that with the tumor. Jacob sending Jack might have been part of the reconciliation between the two. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 9451719)
Wow. Really? Another bomb on the island?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Palaver
(Post 9451869)
Maybe not necessarily another bomb, but possibly another atomic device, like a reactor. Something more controlled. Just a thought.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by dsa_shea
(Post 9450063)
Also, does anyone think that the Black Rock has any more significance than just simply a name choice?
But, yes...absolutely. The questions could keep on going back forever about it too. How did the people on that old ship know about the black rock, assuming they did and that's why they named the boat after it? |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
(Post 9450068)
My point was that we've had at least one instance where we had a character alive and dead at the same time without Smokies "alleged" involvement.
It would make sense...there are obviously two powers in war for control of the island and they would have similar abilities. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by golden_rod
(Post 9450422)
I'm talking about what I saw as an interesting subplot (the Jack/Juliet/Ben "triangle") being ditched just so they could kill Juliet off for no good reason.
And we don't know Juliet is dead. There's still debate whether the explosion went off, but even if it did, Desmond managed to survive and he was right above the detonation when he turned the key to destroy the hatch. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
The only people who could possibly believe the bomb didn't go off didn't see the end of the episode.
An impact was supposed to set it off. It didn't go off from the fall for dramatic purposes. Juliet also survived the fall for dramatic purposes. She picked up a rock, banged on it, then in the middle of her dramatic lines, she was cut off as the screen went white (which it has never done) and the LOST logo appeared. It went off. Again, no need to make it more complicated than it already is. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 9452433)
The only people who could possibly believe the bomb didn't go off didn't see the end of the episode.
An impact was supposed to set it off. It didn't go off from the fall for dramatic purposes. Juliet also survived the fall for dramatic purposes. She picked up a rock, banged on it, then in the middle of her dramatic lines, she was cut off as the screen went white (which it has never done) and the LOST logo appeared. It went off. Again, no need to make it more complicated than it already is. I don't believe anybody is dead on this show until we see a body and even then I am not so sure. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
That would make it the world's crappiest bomb. She was a foot and a half away from it and had about 5 tons of metal on top of her. I have no doubts that the final season will be about what happened after the bomb went off and all of our "favorite" characters will be back in some way.
And no one is ever dead on the show...period. Even if we do see a body. They've made death a complete non-issues. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Draven
(Post 9452469)
That would make it the world's crappiest bomb. She was a foot and a half away from it and had about 5 tons of metal on top of her. I have no doubts that the final season will be about what happened after the bomb went off and all of our "favorite" characters will be back in some way.
And no one is ever dead on the show...period. Even if we do see a body. They've made death a complete non-issues. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I have no idea about casting so this is purely speculation.
Say we take the plane landing in LA and everyone getting off theory. Wouldn't it be kind of logistically very difficult to get some actors back on the show who've been off it awhile? Especially the ones who were offed via drunk driving, etc. or young Walt, or Eko, who wanted off in the first place. They'd have to get back Ana Lucia, Libby, Charlie, Claire, Shannon, Boone, Michael, Walt, Nikki, Paulo, Eko, and Cindy. And what about those who died due to the second plane crash, like Caesar? What's their fate if the survivors never needed to get back to the island? I think it's just too much of a headache for the show's producers to land everyone in LA. |
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