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Jeremy517 05-20-09 11:25 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Draven (Post 9452469)
That would make it the world's crappiest bomb. She was a foot and a half away from it and had about 5 tons of metal on top of her.

Unless you think that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are dead also, then one's proximity to the bomb probably isn't relevant.

Kmical 05-20-09 12:12 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 9454357)
I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but in case not, the creators actually confirmed that this theory is false.

Are these the same creators that confirmed (during Season 1) that everything in the show can be explained by science? ;)

DarkestPhoenix 05-20-09 12:14 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by moonraker (Post 9444201)
I'm interested in this: why can't Jacob and his enemy kill each other directly? In other words, who or what is imposing/enforcing this rule? Why couldn't Jacob's enemy simply haved picked up a large rock and bashed Jacob's head with it during the opening scene of the season finale? I hope this gets explained in the final season (i.e., instead of just telling us they can't, I want to know *why* they can't). Because if these two guys really are the reason behind all the events we have seen, this question deserves an answer.

I don't know, but I think it would have something to do with the fact that Fake-Locke probably can't touch people, just like Christian. Remember, Locke wanted to be helped up, but Christian denied him. I think he did that because he CAN'T, not because he won't. Killing Jacob may have made contact now possible, because as soon as Ben stabbed the shit out of him, Lockeness was able to kick him, when they hadn't touched previously.

Christian confuses me, though...if he isn't really Christian, but a body-snatcher replacement, then why does he still care about his children and blurt out things like, "Say hello to my son"?

Palaver 05-20-09 12:19 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 9455963)
Christian confuses me, though...if he isn't really Christian, but a body-snatcher replacement, then why does he still care about his children and blurt out things like, "Say hello to my son"?

Since he probably has Christian's memories, he is using them to manipulate people close to Christian to further whatever agenda he has.

Michael Corvin 05-20-09 12:36 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Kmical (Post 9455956)
Are these the same creators that confirmed (during Season 1) that everything in the show can be explained by science? ;)

It's lame but the 'dream' and or 'it's all happening in someone's head' angles could easily explain everything. Maybe it's like the movie Identity where
Spoiler:
the characters dying off are multiple personalties of an insane person.


I know that theory is as hated as purgatory(I'm no fan of any of them myself) but everything could be explained by science in all those scenarios.

Kmical 05-20-09 01:29 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 9456012)
It's lame but the 'dream' and or 'it's all happening in someone's head' angles could easily explain everything. Maybe it's like the movie Identity where
Spoiler:
the characters dying off are multiple personalties of an insane person.


I know that theory is as hated as purgatory(I'm no fan of any of them myself) but everything could be explained by science in all those scenarios.

I actually enjoyed that twist in Identity. At the conclusion of two hours, it was a cool revelation.

Doing this after 6 seasons, 100+ episodes, and 4 DVD season box-sets is more of a big "screw you" to the loyal viewers :mad:

dsa_shea 05-21-09 12:00 AM

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I can't believe that this thread almost made it off of the front page.

DarkestPhoenix 05-21-09 06:05 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Sir Talos (Post 9445337)
It's easy to write off the whole past of the show with something as game changing as the rivalry of superpowers going on that was never suspected. However, the show's characters clearly are important to Jacob. We were carefully shown that he visited them one by one, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, etc. Jacob has/had a purpose in mind for them and what we have seen over the last 5 seasons is his plan playing out. JJ Abrahms is all about mystery and that's what I love about it. It doesn't matter to me if this is all planned out or not, once it's complete that will be the story. So I don't judge the show by whether episode one is completely congruent with episode one-hundred, but rather how much entertainment I get out of each episode.

True enough.

I don't think George Lucas has an idea for Empire when he made Star Wars, but it doesn't change the fact that Empire still kicks major ass.

calhoun07 05-21-09 06:37 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
A friend of mine just caught up with the season finale and had an interesting theory that I don't know if it's been mentioned or not (I haven't gone through all the pages yet and for some reason when I try to do a search for the terms all I get is a white page) but the bomb didn't go off...it was a time jump. Which makes sense...the Losties accomplished what they went back in time for, and that was to cause the incident that leads up to their own crash, and it took everybody to get it done, which is why they had to wait three years to get to that point.

Aphex Twin 05-21-09 07:05 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 9458950)
A friend of mine just caught up with the season finale and had an interesting theory that I don't know if it's been mentioned or not (I haven't gone through all the pages yet and for some reason when I try to do a search for the terms all I get is a white page) but the bomb didn't go off...it was a time jump. Which makes sense...the Losties accomplished what they went back in time for, and that was to cause the incident that leads up to their own crash, and it took everybody to get it done, which is why they had to wait three years to get to that point.

I wonder why no one ever considered that yet

DarkestPhoenix 05-22-09 01:16 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 9447117)
It was well done, and now if it's revealed they were "Adam and Eve," I think it will be a bit more satisfying now. It gave their characters some closure on the series.

But what will happen to Vincent?

Adam, Eve and Thanksgiving Dinner.

DarkestPhoenix 05-22-09 01:18 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 9447108)
Ah, somebody else saw it too....this what I think as well. And the more I think about it, the more I think Jacob is the evil on the island. He is responsible for every bad thing that happens on it (from what we have seen, anyway) and the guy in black is the good force and the protector of the island and desperately wants to make things right again.

I would like this more, but the problem is that then that makes Ben kinda good by default, which doesn't seem right, though he is a character one could kind of empathize with at times. Only problem with this theory is that Jacob said that someday they would come to the island and live in complete peace...hmm.

DarkestPhoenix 05-22-09 01:23 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
Quick thought...why would Jacob save Locke if he knew Locke's survival would result in his own demise?

Jacob seems to be able to predict the future or know it if he's contacting people as kids who will be instrumental figures on the island someday in the future.

GenPion 05-22-09 01:34 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Kmical (Post 9456141)
I actually enjoyed that twist in Identity. At the conclusion of two hours, it was a cool revelation.

Doing this after 6 seasons, 100+ episodes, and 4 DVD season box-sets is more of a big "screw you" to the loyal viewers :mad:

It won't be. Damon Lindelof was asked in an interview a year or two ago if it was possibly something similar to multiple personalities to a single character - or if it was all in someone's head. He responded by saying he'd seen the movie Identity and "Let's just say I did not like that film." In other words, he hated that twist. As did I. So you really shouldn't worry about that one. No matter what they do it will NOT be "It was all a dream... " etc.

DarkestPhoenix 05-22-09 01:50 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by IDrinkMolson (Post 9448133)
I was wondering about this too. Faux Locke knew where Jacob was, so he could have just said, Hey Ben, lets go kill Jacob. Faux Locke asked Richard to take him to see Jacob.
It seems he wanted to bring Richard and the rest of the Others to the statue.

No, Lockeness had to go to Richard to ensure Real Locke would have the bullet taken care of and leave the island to die.

Then, he had Richard and the Others come to the statue. I think the loophole may be that the leader of the Others can be given access into Jacob's sanctuary, but only Richard can provide that access.

DarkestPhoenix 05-22-09 02:08 AM

Oh, and another thing...when are we going to find out what the hell this thing is:

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spainlinx0 05-22-09 07:18 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 9459556)
Quick thought...why would Jacob save Locke if he knew Locke's survival would result in his own demise?

Jacob seems to be able to predict the future or know it if he's contacting people as kids who will be instrumental figures on the island someday in the future.


When did Jacob save Locke?

Disneyboy 05-22-09 07:22 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
I don't think that that scene needs to be explained more, they needed a way for Michael to find out his gun wasn't loaded, so they used that bird. The producers said in an interview that the bird is a real bird in Hawaii and the sound it makes sounds a lot like "Hurley", so they worked it into the script for fun.

Michael Corvin 05-22-09 08:19 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Kmical (Post 9456141)
I actually enjoyed that twist in Identity. At the conclusion of two hours, it was a cool revelation.

Doing this after 6 seasons, 100+ episodes, and 4 DVD season box-sets is more of a big "screw you" to the loyal viewers :mad:

Agreed. I loved the movie twist, but for this show it would be a huge cop-out and piss off nearly everyone. However, it would kind of explain how people die off only to return later albeit, slightly different, ala Pet Sematary.

Palaver 05-22-09 10:16 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by spainlinx0 (Post 9459736)
When did Jacob save Locke?

When Locke fell out of the window during a flashback.

spainlinx0 05-22-09 10:45 AM

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Oh yeah, forgot about that. Hmm, maybe Locke does still have a part to play in this.

GenPion 05-22-09 09:31 PM

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Yeah, and Jacob said to Locke: "I'm sorry this happened to you. Everything will be alright now."

So maybe Locke's story isn't over. I hope so, at least... :(

DarkestPhoenix 05-23-09 02:31 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Jimmy James (Post 9448998)
A zoo on the island? :lol:

I think the polar bear part is still at least partly unanswered. They had two cages, and we assume one was for a polar bear. Why?

Both were for polar bears. One presumably pushed the wheel and ended up in the desert with Charlotte, one tormented our castaways.

DarkestPhoenix 05-23-09 02:32 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by spainlinx0 (Post 9459736)
When did Jacob save Locke?

After Locke was pushed out the window, Jacob went over to his lifeless body, touched it and Locke was suddenly filled with life.

Maybe he didn't save him. But it sure looked that way to me.

Michael Corvin 05-23-09 08:49 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 9461883)
Both were for polar bears. One presumably pushed the wheel and ended up in the desert with Charlotte, one tormented our castaways.

Plus Tom quipped to Sawyer that the polar bearS figured out the fish biscuit device faster.

Breakfast with Girls 05-23-09 10:33 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 9459571)
No, Lockeness had to go to Richard to ensure Real Locke would have the bullet taken care of and leave the island to die.

Then, he had Richard and the Others come to the statue. I think the loophole may be that the leader of the Others can be given access into Jacob's sanctuary, but only Richard can provide that access.

I can't remember, but didn't Pseudo-Locke hand Richard the compass? If Fake Locke can't touch anything, how did that happen?

MovieBuff_Flea 05-25-09 09:11 AM

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Gee, I need to catch up with Lost!

MoviePage 05-26-09 09:30 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by DarkestPhoenix (Post 9461883)
Both were for polar bears. One presumably pushed the wheel and ended up in the desert with Charlotte, one tormented our castaways.

If I'm remembering correctly, there was a third one in a cave that Locke and Eko went to find. Locke smoked something and the island "told" him to go find the bear. I don't really remember what else happened, because that was in one of the suckiest periods of the show.

James Lafleur 05-26-09 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 9466032)
If I'm remembering correctly, there was a third one in a cave that Locke and Eko went to find. Locke smoked something and the island "told" him to go find the bear. I don't really remember what else happened, because that was in one of the suckiest periods of the show.

You are mostly correct. Locke and Charlie went to find Eko who had been taken by said polar bear into his cave. Locke then saved Eko by using a torch and some hairspray to burn the bear.

kaze0 05-26-09 12:55 PM

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Isn't it obvious that the entire show is a dream. There's a polar bear in the Bronx Zoo who is dreaming that he lives on a tropical island and all the zoo keepers are the losties.

Draven 05-26-09 01:01 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by kaze0 (Post 9466444)
Isn't it obvious that the entire show is a dream. There's a polar bear in the Bronx Zoo who is dreaming that he lives on a tropical island and all the zoo keepers are the losties.

And the problem is that is no sillier than what the actual resolution will be.

cracksky 05-26-09 01:53 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
My mind keeps going back to (I think) the Pilot episode where Rose hears the monster in the trees and says how familiar it sounds to her. That's gotta be a huge clue not only for what the monster really is but for Rose's part in the series finale.

dsa_shea 05-26-09 02:28 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls (Post 9462108)
I can't remember, but didn't Pseudo-Locke hand Richard the compass? If Fake Locke can't touch anything, how did that happen?

Pseudo-Locke didn't exist until after Locke left the island and then attempted to kill himself only to return to the island dead. The compass interaction took place before that ever happened. Now, I would like to know at what point did the other guy take over Locke's identity? Is he forced to stay on the island and wait for a vessel or is he allowed to leave the island like Jacob?

Palaver 05-26-09 02:36 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Breakfast with Girls (Post 9462108)
If Fake Locke can't touch anything, how did that happen?

Maybe I missed something. Where did the concept that Fake Locke can't touch anything come from?

dsa_shea 05-26-09 02:40 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 9466652)
Maybe I missed something. Where did the concept that Fake Locke can't touch anything come from?

From the times that we think we've seen him and he refused to help and when he talked Ben into killing Jacob. I don't think that he is allowed to influence the outcome of events one way or the other. He has to make it someone else's freewill.

Palaver 05-26-09 02:46 PM

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Gotcha. I see what you are saying.

But obviously he can touch things. He got a vine to help Ben out of the chamber under the temple. He brought boar to the Others. He just can't physically force people to do things. Freewill and all.

calhoun07 05-26-09 06:10 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by cracksky (Post 9466547)
My mind keeps going back to (I think) the Pilot episode where Rose hears the monster in the trees and says how familiar it sounds to her. That's gotta be a huge clue not only for what the monster really is but for Rose's part in the series finale.

Now that you mention it, I kind of took a double meaning in the whole "we're retired" bit from Rose. I got the vibe that her and Bernard were involved in the island at some point in the past, perhaps part of the continuous loop, and now they were retiring from that, choosing to sit out this time instead of getting involved. I got the feeling that they had been on the island before.

invisiblegt 05-26-09 08:38 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by cracksky (Post 9466547)
My mind keeps going back to (I think) the Pilot episode where Rose hears the monster in the trees and says how familiar it sounds to her. That's gotta be a huge clue not only for what the monster really is but for Rose's part in the series finale.

In one of the podcasts, it is revealed that
Spoiler:
one of the noises they opted to use for the Smoke Monster was the printer sound from a New York taxi. Seeing as Rose is from the Bronx, it makes sense for her to say the noise appears familiar.

CKMorpheus 05-26-09 10:47 PM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 

Originally Posted by invisiblegt (Post 9467339)
In one of the podcasts, it is revealed that
Spoiler:
one of the noises they opted to use for the Smoke Monster was the printer sound from a New York taxi. Seeing as Rose is from the Bronx, it makes sense for her to say the noise appears familiar.

Oh my god! Every single time I walk past a taxi in the city I always say to myself and my friends that it sounds JUST like smokie! They all think I'm crazy! But I'll show them!!

dsa_shea 05-27-09 09:05 AM

Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
 
Even if Rose and Bernard were to "retire" they would still jump in time with the Other Losties as they are part of the group. If the others do in fact come to the present and Rose and Bernard do not then it will not make much sense given the precedent established in previous episodes during season 5. It just wouldn't make sense in the long run that Rose and Bernard could be Adam and Eve but with this show they will do whatever they want.


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