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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Timber
(Post 9442824)
So what's the deal with the sand around the cabin? They showed it last season as well. There was a pathway through it this time so does the sand keep 'Black Shirt' away from the cabin?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Nausicaa
(Post 9444107)
There was only about 15 minutes of worthwhile content - the end. And that scene should have been in the beginning of the episode so we could, you know, actually see what the incident was?
Instead we get 90 minutes of 'Stop Jack: should we or shouldn't we?'. And the past-Jacob stuff which, while cool, could have been shown at any point in the season. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
What do Jack and Sawyer see in Kate anyways? I mean, Jack can get any women he wants, and he is obsessed over this elfin-lookin fugitive chick with a mediocre stumpy body. I think Juliette is much hotter than Kate. Did they even adequately demonstrate why Jack and Sawyer want her so badly? Is it because there weren't that many available chicks (Sun = married, Claire = damaged goods, Rose = married, Anna Lucia = psycho, etc.) on the island and Sayid called dibs on Shannon?
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I'm kind of upset juliet is gone, because now we are back to Jack-Kate-Sawyer show.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by superdeluxe
(Post 9444135)
I'm kind of upset juliet is gone, because now we are back to Jack-Kate-Sawyer show.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
this wasn't a bad episode. it wasn't nearly as strong as the entire season has been. but, i liked seeing Jacob and his ties (though contrived as they were) with the survivors.
who do we think the Spoiler:
also, we haven't found out what happened to Claire yet, right? |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by s}{ammer
(Post 9444066)
Well, Horus is in fact the correct one to parallel to Jesus.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm As mentioned, this isn't the place for this, and as such I will beg out of the discussion after this quick post, leaving any final word to you. Aside from the facts that Horus was not born to a virgin, did not have a father or step father named Joseph, (seb), did not have any disciples, let alone twelve, was not born in a cave, did not have either angels or stars announce his birth, and was not resurrected, (and in fact may not have even died), there are plenty of similarities to the biblical Jesus. The web link you supplied utilises two sources, one from a non-expert from the mid 19th century, and the other which uses the first source. The primary texts either directly refute many of those claims or make absolutely no mention of them. I suspect, as most do, that these false ideas come from wrong interpretations of pictures. This is not to say that Christianity didn't borrow from many other religions that had gone before it, (I will definitely leave that alone), but Horus is not the one. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by superdeluxe
(Post 9444135)
I'm kind of upset juliet is gone, because now we are back to Jack-Kate-Sawyer show.
Spoiler:
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by s}{ammer
(Post 9444142)
I am hoping they won't have time to tell that story again. They have a lot of stuff to cover and only one season to do it.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
As for the show, I had alway been under the assumption that the Others had been on the island for a very long time, that is hundred or thousands of years, which is why they didn't time jump with the losties, that they were somehow deeply connected with the island itself. It now appears that this isn't likely, especially if Richard did indeed come from the Black Rock.
Who then are the Others? Where did they come from? And why haven't they been affected the same? |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by scott1598
(Post 9444143)
who do we think the <sup>nd</sup> Locke (since they were in the same timeline) is? Speaking of, I thought it was interesting how the logo inverted from white to black on a white background, like an Othello piece in a "game". |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by slappy
(Post 9444095)
The concept of Jacob vs. his rival, using people who show up on the island as pawns in some sort of cosmic game of chess, I can grasp. When I try to reconcile other important "Lost" plot points in to a relationship with that overlying theme, my brain starts to shut down. DHARMA, the Others, Bram & company, time travel, Desmond's ability, the smoke monster, etc... how do they fit into this incredibly far-reaching storyline? ACK!
I get the distinct feeling that the season 6 episodes are going to contain some of the most flat-out hardcore storytelling they've pulled off yet. I think this was a great show, but I also think they could have cut short showing Jacob go to all the losties. After the first couple you get the idea that he will visit them all, so why waste half the show on that? I have a feeling they did this because it might come back next season that we saw or missed something from it, like Juliet not getting touched by Jacob. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
(Post 9444167)
I think there's no question it's the Esau character? in black at the beginning of the episode.
Speaking of, I thought it was interesting how the logo inverted from white to black on a white background, like an Othello piece in a "game". |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Building on some other peoples ideas: parallels between Jacob and Smokey (whatever his name actually is).
Smokey - God like powers. Able to imitate the dead. Presents as DARK cloud. Only able to kill people some people that may be 'impure' to the island. Inhabits the temple. That all we know so far without making many jumps in logic. Jacob - God like powers. Healing / resurrection (Locke after he fell out of window). Here is where I am making a jump: When he acts he presents as flash of LIGHT, examples: flash of light during rapture of Jack et. al. off the Ajira flight after Jack reads Locke's letter, flash of light when Swan Hatch is destroyed (Desmond survives?), flash of light at end of this episode when Juliet detonates the nuclear device. Now I place more emphasis on these "gods" needing human's to either make selfish or a selfless act in order for them to become involved. I don't have specific examples, but it seems Smokey is only able to kill when he scans people and finds they have done something bad. Examples of selflessness and possible Jacob involvement include Ben moving the island, Locke stopping the island from flipping through time (both knew they would have to leave island). Perhaps Jacob was able to fix things only with their help and this was their importance to Jacob. Jacob and Smokey need people as fuel for their 'game' on the island and it seems only with free will and human choices are they most able to use their power. So it seems they are exploring issues of free will and predestination. There is a theme of what happened happened going on, it will be interesting to see if human free will can alter the plans that the two rival gods have for the island. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I'm interested in this: why can't Jacob and his enemy kill each other directly? In other words, who or what is imposing/enforcing this rule? Why couldn't Jacob's enemy simply haved picked up a large rock and bashed Jacob's head with it during the opening scene of the season finale? I hope this gets explained in the final season (i.e., instead of just telling us they can't, I want to know *why* they can't). Because if these two guys really are the reason behind all the events we have seen, this question deserves an answer.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by superdeluxe
(Post 9444157)
Even though I am kind of done with that story line, I hope they wrap it up, considering how much time they put into it.
Seriously, I am so tired of the triangles there that I really hope they devote only enough time next season for jack and sawyer to blow kate off for good. I loved her character before, but it seems like all her strength went to Juliet and she was left with the worst character on the show. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by s}{ammer
(Post 9443975)
Not that you repeated what I said, but simply missed it.
The Jesus in Christianity is based off of Horus from the Egyptian mythology. In lost they pounded into our heads last night that the mythos they are working with is Egyptian. Christianity is supposed to be a monotheistic religion, whereas in Egyptian mythology there were many gods. However, because the Jesus we know of today is so similar to Horus it will feel Christian to people not looking at it from a non-monotheistic point of view. Jacob uses people as pawns just as much as the "bad guy" and he lets us know what he thinks of his pawns when he tells Ben what about you. So Jacob is not the good guy and his enemy the bad guy, they are just two different gods that have always and will always be at war with each other. Another interesting thing I noticed in re-watching it that I missed the first time, the completed statue is a statue of Seth(Set) I believe. Also, Jacob knows it eventually will end but that he must keep pushing people so they will progress to the end. As he stated early on, "There is only one end, everything else before that is just progress." He also tells Jack that it just needed a push, which actually tied right in with what Christian did to Jack in the OR. And the statue is Sobek, not Set. It clearly has a crocodile head. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
The love triangles are really tired and were really there, in my opinion, to fill in time in episodes before they knew when the series would end. It would bother me none if they never returned to the love connections and focused solely on getting us to the end and telling a kick ass story over the last 17 episodes.
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Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Sir Talos
(Post 9444199)
Smokey - God like powers. Able to imitate the dead. Presents as DARK cloud. Only able to kill people some people that may be 'impure' to the island. Inhabits the temple. That all we know so far without making many jumps in logic.
Originally Posted by moonraker
I'm interested in this: why can't Jacob and his enemy kill each other directly?
Anyone notice that Jacob was still alive when Locke kicked him in the fire, so if the fire killed the human form, then Ben didn't do it, so Jacob could still be alive and just looking for a new body now since the person who really would have killed jacob is the faux locke??? I would imagine they are using human bodies since he bled when stabbed and the faux locke was drinking water, and they both ate at the beginning of the episode. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by s}{ammer
(Post 9444203)
I Wonder if Ben will still want Juliet when he finds out that she has been shacked up with Sawyer for 3 years.
Seriously, I am so tired of the triangles there that I really hope they devote only enough time next season for jack and sawyer to blow kate off for good. I loved her character before, but it seems like all her strength went to Juliet and she was left with the worst character on the show. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Flave
(Post 9444216)
Sorry, but your "The Jesus in Christianity is based off of Horus from the Egyptian mythology" statement is simply inflammatory. Far more eminent people than me have solidly debunked this tripe and I won't be dragged into this debate.
And the statue is Sobek, not Set. It clearly has a crocodile head. As for my previous posts, you are taking it the wrong way. Read my posts and you will see I am saying this isn't God vs. Satan so much as it is god vs god. There is no good guy or bad guy, they are just playing a game with the people being the pawns. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
I have to admit that though I loved this season, I was a bit disappointed with the finally too. Mainly it is the same thing as everyone else, everyone changing their minds for dumb reasons and the melodrama didn't really work for me.
But part of the problem for me is that it didn't really advance main plot from the last episode. At the end of the last episode we had Jack saying "I'm going to blow up the Swan!" and Locke saying "I'm going to kill Jacob!", and in this episode, they did just that. But I end up feeling shortchanged because we had another 2 hours of the show to move from "OMG they are going to kill Jacob/the Swan!" to "OMG they killed Jacob/the Swan!" without getting to see any of the repercussions. It reminds me of the commercials the WB used to run for next week on Dawson's Creek. The commercial would always show you whatever the shocking dramatic cliffhanger for that episode would be, so you watch that episode, but you don't get any resolution to what you saw in the commercial for an extra week. Except in this case it is an extra year! :( |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by s}{ammer
(Post 9444236)
I would imagine it is because they are equals. They are both gods and in such have to abide by certain rules, like manipulating Ben to kill Jacob instead of just telling Ben the truth and then asking him to do it. . Not good enough of an answer for me. If they are both gods, as you say -- or even if they are not -- then there must still be some power higher than themselves which is imposing/enforcing this rule. That's what I'm getting at. I want to know the backstory of these two, Jacob and his enemy. Not just be told that they are the reason for all the events we have seen -- that would leave me very unsatisfied. |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Originally Posted by Ms. M
(Post 9442619)
I'm kind of disgusted that they have Juliet giving up on Sawyer for flimsy reasons and following Jack's stupid plan. Hey, why not put your personal feelings above the time-space continuum? Anyhow, it is a lousy way to write a character who has been portrayed intelligently before.
The last few episodes I've just wanted to scream at them "It's not your life, you don't belong here. Snap the fuck out of it" |
Re: Lost -- 2 Hour Season Finale -- "The Incident" -- 5/13/09
Another thing that bothers me about the Kate love triangle is that we have no idea who Kate is horny for and why. We know Jack wants her, Sawyer may want her, and Juliet probably wants to have a threesome with her, but what's Kate's feelings in all this? Maybe she just wants to get with Hurley, but they don't devote any time in the show for her hormones, so we really don't know.
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