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Old 01-28-09, 09:15 PM
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by DthRdrX View Post
Locke killed the other soldier at the end of the last episode. Also, Alpert will go looking for Locke via direct information from future Locke.

I'm not sold on the "can't change anything" line yet.
That is my one gripe. With the whole time travel aspect the writers now have free range to go back and fill in "or just make up" answers to questions that didn't seem like they would be able to early on. I love this show but wonder how much hat pulling is going on in these later seasons to make up for all of the mysteries presented in the first few seasons. They better explain why the Dharma drops continued for years despite the Dharma being M.I.A. for quite some time as well as where the hell they come from.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

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I really hope it doesn't turn out that the Losties are responsible for everything strange that's happened.
damn, that's definitely a possibility now
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Interesting episode....
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

With tonight's show and after The Constant and the Season 4 finale, I think the love story of Desmond and Penny has as much to do about Lost as anything else going on.

Anyone think the flashes on the island are going on every 108 minutes?
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

So can we assume that when Ben said Whitmore "changed the rules" he meant that the others aren't supposed to kill one another i.e. when Juliet killed the dude who was beating on Sawyer? We now know that Whitmore was an other.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Well, now I know why I have avoided threads like this for the first 4 seasons. Someone in the season premiere thread mentioned/speculated that Widmore was probably one of the guys that captured Sawyer/Juliet. I'm sure many people may have speculated on that fact, but I didn't and it was kind of a letdown since I had that in the back of my mind.

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the last thread and will probably follow the threads throughout the season, but I'm going to have to be careful what I read from now on.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by redrum View Post
damn, that's definitely a possibility now
Seems a bit contrived to me. The past changed by the future going back in the past to make the future crazy. If that were the case then why couldn't Richard and Ben having known what was coming with the 815 go and sabotage the flight to ensure that the Losties never make it to the island and cause their rampage of terror?
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by IDrinkMolson View Post

Anyone think the flashes on the island are going on every 108 minutes?
That makes alot of sense. Maybe Charlotte is pregnant? The island hasnt always been hard to find if the military was there and set up a bomb testing facility.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by whotony View Post

ok who s it last week that called it on widmore?
It wasn't my speculation, but I'll take credit for posting it first here.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/9215801-post156.html
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by Adboy151 View Post
Spoiler:
No. They gave rifle girl's name as Ellie. There's been two Eloise's mentioned before (one last season, one in Season Three -- and reconfirmed in the expanded repeat tonight) and it's no coincidence that name is converging around one person on the island.
So we have:

Spoiler:
Eloise the rat, Eloise Hawking, and Ellie the "other"? I never thought Faraday would be this important to the plot when he first appeared.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post
Seems a bit contrived to me. The past changed by the future going back in the past to make the future crazy. If that were the case then why couldn't Richard and Ben having known what was coming with the 815 go and sabotage the flight to ensure that the Losties never make it to the island and cause their rampage of terror?
good point but maybe they are never told about the place crash in the past

i dunno, pretty sure i'm gonna be in the crazy house by the time this show is over
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by TheNightFlier View Post
So we have:

Spoiler:
Eloise the rat, Eloise Hawking, and Ellie the "other"? I never thought Faraday would be this important to the plot when he first appeared.
They're all connected:

Spoiler:

Ellie must be Faraday's mom and he names the rat after her!

So, Faraday was being held at gunpoint by his own mother!
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by IDrinkMolson View Post
Anyone think the flashes on the island are going on every 108 minutes?
Not possible. This last flash took several hours at the very least: it was dark when it started.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by Aegean2007 View Post
They're all connected:

Spoiler:

Ellie must be Faraday's mom and he names the rat after her!

So, Faraday was being held at gunpoint by his own mother!
Must suck to not be loved.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by Aegean2007 View Post

Spoiler:

Ellie must be Faraday's mom and he names the rat after her!

So, Faraday was being held at gunpoint by his own mother!

That's nothing. Phillip J. Fry is his own grandfather.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

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That's nothing. Phillip J. Fry is his own grandfather.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post
Seems a bit contrived to me. The past changed by the future going back in the past to make the future crazy. If that were the case then why couldn't Richard and Ben having known what was coming with the 815 go and sabotage the flight to ensure that the Losties never make it to the island and cause their rampage of terror?
It depends on when and how long Richard/Ben/Locke run into each other. Obviously Locke won't have time to explain everything. Then again, perhaps they do try to stop things and everything course corrects ....

my brain hurts.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

So is this going to be one of those circular time loop paradoxes? Locke is going to be the leader of the Others because he went back in time and told them he was going to be their leader?
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

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So is this going to be one of those circular time loop paradoxes? Locke is going to be the leader of the Others because he went back in time and told them he was going to be their leader?
Wasn't he made their leader at the end of the last season?
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

One thing we know for sure, Locke never encounters Richard prior to 1954.

I loved this episode. But I love anything involving Desmond and Penny. I also love Faraday. Frankly I don't give 2 shits about anybody else anymore.

Just give me a nice Des, Dan, Ben, and Chuck variety hour and I'm good.

Kid's name being Charlie is interesting. I don't know if my love for Charlie Pace could out-weigh my hatred of Charles Widmore in that case.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

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Wasn't he made their leader at the end of the last season?
Yeah, but was Richard's decision (assuming he has some say so) influenced because Locke went into the past told him that he will be made the leader in the future.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by whotony View Post
i've given up mentioning it.
center channel is always muffled.

although while in the boat with penny and desmond there was plenty
of very good water a creeking surround sounds.
I have this problem too. Also noticed the sounds on the boat. Kept thinking someone else was in the house.

When Faraday talked about the atomic bomb tests...I literally had to rewind the DVR 5 or 6 times before I figured out he was saying "South Pacific".
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I also love Faraday. Frankly I don't give 2 shits about anybody else anymore.
We were talking about this last week at work; Daniel has far and away become my favorite character (I'd like to have Frank back tho') -- and outside of Sayid, I could really care less about the original 'core' group anymore.

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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Any thoughts on why Ellie, the gun toting military female, freaked out over Daniel talking about the future?

What about that polar bear painting in Widmore's office? Last time we saw a similar painting in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" only this one had NAMASTE painted at the top.
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Re: Lost -- "Jughead" -- 1/28/09

Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post
They better explain why the Dharma drops continued for years despite the Dharma being M.I.A. for quite some time as well as where the hell they come from.
I think the drops continued as long as the button was pushed. We saw with the freighter crew how a helicopter could get close enough to make drops. Otherwise, a small plane would do.

I hope they don't drag the 70-hour window Ben has for the rest of the season.

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