Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles -- "Complications" -- 11/17/08
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Wow. Fantastic episode. I loved the whole subplot with Charles Fischer. I really thought Jess was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder or something. Glad to see she wasn't. Sucks (or does it?) that the young Charles Fischer is now locked up in a psych ward. That old Fischer was very interesting to me...would like to know more about these traitors that work with SkyNet and why they do it.
Weird with Sarah sleep-walking, not sure what to take from that. Next week's episode looks good. Ellison is pissing me off; he just doesn't realize the importance of destroying Cromartie. Although I am still unsure as to whether or not The Urinator is bad or not...perhaps she is good after all and is working to create a Computer Program that can combat SkyNet, a human-allied computer program (much like the humans that work with/for SkyNet). Or maybe she is trying to create a program in place of SkyNet that won't bring about Judgment Day? Or maybe she is just evil and trying to speed up Judgment Day?
I think this show is gaining some steam again and I look forward to more episodes of it. I hope the Friday Night placement in the Spring isn't the Kiss of Death it usually is for most shows that get stuck in that timeslot.
Weird with Sarah sleep-walking, not sure what to take from that. Next week's episode looks good. Ellison is pissing me off; he just doesn't realize the importance of destroying Cromartie. Although I am still unsure as to whether or not The Urinator is bad or not...perhaps she is good after all and is working to create a Computer Program that can combat SkyNet, a human-allied computer program (much like the humans that work with/for SkyNet). Or maybe she is trying to create a program in place of SkyNet that won't bring about Judgment Day? Or maybe she is just evil and trying to speed up Judgment Day?
I think this show is gaining some steam again and I look forward to more episodes of it. I hope the Friday Night placement in the Spring isn't the Kiss of Death it usually is for most shows that get stuck in that timeslot.
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Agree, great episode tonight.
I don't think this show will last another season, so I hope they just have some sort of conclusion (as much as they can with something like this) at the end of this season.
I don't think this show will last another season, so I hope they just have some sort of conclusion (as much as they can with something like this) at the end of this season.
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I thought it was a really good episode. Not quite as good as last week but still good.
I think the point with Fischer is he was sent to the past to ensure that his future self would get caught and go to prison so that he would exist as himself in the future.
I think the point with Fischer is he was sent to the past to ensure that his future self would get caught and go to prison so that he would exist as himself in the future.
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Unless of course Jess was going to be looking for him in the past in the first place, at which point I guess it would make sense. If he is locked up or if he wasn't, he realized that there is an evil computer program that takes over in the future and I'm assuming wouldn't help them. How will his being locked up help SkyNet? He won't be able to help them either way...or am I missing something? 'Cause whatever future Fischer did to the computer system, that isn't the same thing as helping machines better understand humans.
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But why would he even have to go back in the first place? The only reason Jess even found his past self was because he was sent back and she spotted him. If he existed in the future like that, I don't see how his past self could have changed that...because he would have lived his life up until that point.
Unless of course Jess was going to be looking for him in the past in the first place, at which point I guess it would make sense. If he is locked up or if he wasn't, he realized that there is an evil computer program that takes over in the future and I'm assuming wouldn't help them. How will his being locked up help SkyNet? He won't be able to help them either way...or am I missing something? 'Cause whatever future Fischer did to the computer system, that isn't the same thing as helping machines better understand humans.
Unless of course Jess was going to be looking for him in the past in the first place, at which point I guess it would make sense. If he is locked up or if he wasn't, he realized that there is an evil computer program that takes over in the future and I'm assuming wouldn't help them. How will his being locked up help SkyNet? He won't be able to help them either way...or am I missing something? 'Cause whatever future Fischer did to the computer system, that isn't the same thing as helping machines better understand humans.
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Oh yeah, I guess I forgot about that bit. But then that begs the question of how he ended up in jail the first time, and why it was necessary to come back, give him information about the future, and then stick him in jail. Wouldn't that change the outcome?
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I am really starting to zone out during this show. I spent more time on the laptop than paying attention to the episode. Its just lost a lot of the season 1 appeal.
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Great episode.
I like how Richard Schiff's character went from somewhat sympathetic to a total psycho in a few minutes. The scene of him lecturing in front of all the terminators and their red eyes was damn spooky. I wanted to shoot him right there for being a traitor.
I love the Cameron/John road trip, especially the part when Cameron hung up on Derek because he didn't enter the proper security code.
Did anyone catch that John took the picture of Sarah when he left Ellison's house?
I like how Richard Schiff's character went from somewhat sympathetic to a total psycho in a few minutes. The scene of him lecturing in front of all the terminators and their red eyes was damn spooky. I wanted to shoot him right there for being a traitor.
I love the Cameron/John road trip, especially the part when Cameron hung up on Derek because he didn't enter the proper security code.
Did anyone catch that John took the picture of Sarah when he left Ellison's house?
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I don't think the show's lost ANY of its appeal. It's one of the very few shows that I really consider must see tv right now.
I'm hoping for a 10 year run. Right up until, in our real lives, that the machines take over and cancel the show because it casts them in a mostly negative light.
I'm hoping for a 10 year run. Right up until, in our real lives, that the machines take over and cancel the show because it casts them in a mostly negative light.
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Great episode on account of the traitor story but I would have liked Sarah's storyline to be tightened up. For some reason, her parts of the show tend to be the weakest.
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I thought it was cool that Derek and what's-her-face talked about the probability of divergent futures. My feeling is that any terminators coming back through time should all be different due to changes happening in what would be their past. Each time one gets sent back, it should be fracturing the future as they "know" it.
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Really good episode.
I agree with the above comment about the Charles Fischer subplot. I really enjoyed that part of tonight's episode.
Loved the scene where Cameron was kicking the shit out of Ellison.
I'm not sure where they were going with Sarah's dreams and her getting sick.
Someone needs to post a Jpeg of Stephanie Jacobsen in the jeans and wife beater tank top. Damn, she looked really sexy.
I agree with the above comment about the Charles Fischer subplot. I really enjoyed that part of tonight's episode.
Loved the scene where Cameron was kicking the shit out of Ellison.
I'm not sure where they were going with Sarah's dreams and her getting sick.
Someone needs to post a Jpeg of Stephanie Jacobsen in the jeans and wife beater tank top. Damn, she looked really sexy.
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can someone help me on the Fisher / Derick
In his time line he was never tortured - and he came back in time first leaving his girl behind..... then he changed some things in the past.... she comes back and remembers him being tortured.
This is how I see it: as a result of him tormenting that kid he gets his revenge by torturing Derick in the future.
or.... could memories just be erased by changing something in the past/present day? This does not make sense because if they ever do stop judgement day, they would find themselves standing in a room with weapons in hand wondering "how did I get here?"
In his time line he was never tortured - and he came back in time first leaving his girl behind..... then he changed some things in the past.... she comes back and remembers him being tortured.
This is how I see it: as a result of him tormenting that kid he gets his revenge by torturing Derick in the future.
or.... could memories just be erased by changing something in the past/present day? This does not make sense because if they ever do stop judgement day, they would find themselves standing in a room with weapons in hand wondering "how did I get here?"
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can someone help me on the Fisher / Derick
In his time line he was never tortured - and he came back in time first leaving his girl behind..... then he changed some things in the past.... she comes back and remembers him being tortured.
This is how I see it: as a result of him tormenting that kid he gets his revenge by torturing Derick in the future.
or.... could memories just be erased by changing something in the past/present day? This does not make sense because if they ever do stop judgement day, they would find themselves standing in a room with weapons in hand wondering "how did I get here?"
In his time line he was never tortured - and he came back in time first leaving his girl behind..... then he changed some things in the past.... she comes back and remembers him being tortured.
This is how I see it: as a result of him tormenting that kid he gets his revenge by torturing Derick in the future.
or.... could memories just be erased by changing something in the past/present day? This does not make sense because if they ever do stop judgement day, they would find themselves standing in a room with weapons in hand wondering "how did I get here?"
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can someone help me on the Fisher / Derick
In his time line he was never tortured - and he came back in time first leaving his girl behind..... then he changed some things in the past.... she comes back and remembers him being tortured.
This is how I see it: as a result of him tormenting that kid he gets his revenge by torturing Derick in the future.
or.... could memories just be erased by changing something in the past/present day? This does not make sense because if they ever do stop judgement day, they would find themselves standing in a room with weapons in hand wondering "how did I get here?"
In his time line he was never tortured - and he came back in time first leaving his girl behind..... then he changed some things in the past.... she comes back and remembers him being tortured.
This is how I see it: as a result of him tormenting that kid he gets his revenge by torturing Derick in the future.
or.... could memories just be erased by changing something in the past/present day? This does not make sense because if they ever do stop judgement day, they would find themselves standing in a room with weapons in hand wondering "how did I get here?"
And no he doesn't get revenge on Derick since he is dead. It could be the kid himself who gets revenge on Derick if he still becomes the fischer that the old guy was.
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Although I am still unsure as to whether or not The Urinator is bad or not...perhaps she is good after all and is working to create a Computer Program that can combat SkyNet, a human-allied computer program (much like the humans that work with/for SkyNet). Or maybe she is trying to create a program in place of SkyNet that won't bring about Judgment Day? Or maybe she is just evil and trying to speed up Judgment Day?
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Imagine this scenario - Derek comes back from 14 years in the future. Instead of trying to stop Skynet from ever forming, he decides to nuke the entire planet and kill everyone and everything. He succeeds in doing so. Therefore, the future he came from cannot exist at all because everyone died in our present, which means - without divergent timelines - he could never have traveled back in time because he was already dead 14 years before he originally did travel back.
See how easy it is?
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Why would the "first time" he ended up in jail have to be different? The situation could simply be a causality loop.