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mrpayroll 11-13-07 11:46 PM

The problem is with this type of (thinking) show, a person who tries to start watching it after the first couple of episodes will feel very lost.

A show like Chuck on the other hand, all a person has to know is that Chuck has all the U.S. military secrets in his head and that his 'girlfriend' is actually a spy sent to protect him.

Believe me, I'm hoping that Journeyman survives the low ratings and the strike and comes back with the excellent writing and acting that it has had, but this show seems to be produced on the expensive side and low ratings are not going to pay the bills.

Also, I thought the argument with Dan and Jack tonight was intense and superbly acted by all 3 actos.

Chris

WallyOPD 11-14-07 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by mrpayroll
It was another great episode, but I'm sorry to say that once the remaining 2 episodes are shown, that might be the last we see or hear of Journeyman.

I thought we had 5 episodes left?


Originally Posted by mrpayroll
Also, at the end when Jack pays for his food with a $20 bill, I was thinking it was the $20 that the FBI agent showed him. I thought that he stole it to screw up that part of the investigation. Anybody else think that? I mean, why else would the camera stay on the $20 for so long? Am I overlooking something else?

I'm not entirely clear what the significance of the $20 bill was. At first I thought he had stolen the bill from evidence but then I started thinking that maybe it was just focused on to emphasize that Jack knows that the evidence wasn't tampered with, so it really could have been Dan who was in the past with a modern $20.

superman69 11-14-07 12:08 AM

i also thought the significance of the $20 just involved Jack starting to believe. not so much as stole the evidence, since that would essentially get his ass in more trouble with Mr. Chapelle (what is his charcters name on this show, they should have named him something similar). all in all, this is the 1st show i would be upset to see go overall from the last few years and would consider doing whatever to go the "Jericho" route

kakihara1 11-14-07 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by superman69
i also thought the significance of the $20 just involved Jack starting to believe. not so much as stole the evidence, since that would essentially get his ass in more trouble with Mr. Chapelle (what is his charcters name on this show, they should have named him something similar). all in all, this is the 1st show i would be upset to see go overall from the last few years and would consider doing whatever to go the "Jericho" route

Yeah I thought him staring at the $20 was showing Jack's realization that his brother isn't full of shit, and actually is traveling through time. With all the trouble Jack has been causing for Dan, it seems silly to me that Dan hasn't planted something in the past to prove it to Jack once and for all.

spainlinx0 11-14-07 08:08 AM

So does Livia know when she dies, and can she affect that since she lives in the past? I mean it would be tough to look herself up in the 80's because the lack of Internet, but we don't know if she has jumped to the 90's. It would suck knowing when you died I would imagine.

mrpayroll 11-14-07 10:17 AM

Okay, your explanations help make that scene make sense now! :thumbsup:

Chris

Achtung 11-14-07 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by kakihara1
Yeah I thought him staring at the $20 was showing Jack's realization that his brother isn't full of shit, and actually is traveling through time. With all the trouble Jack has been causing for Dan, it seems silly to me that Dan hasn't planted something in the past to prove it to Jack once and for all.

Especially with all the trouble he went through to prove it to his wife (burying the old tool box in their backyard). But that would be too logical.

Patman 11-14-07 10:20 AM

I take it that there's a conservation of time w/r/t Dan and Livia, meaning, if Dan bounces backwards in time for a duration 2 days, he returns 2 days from the point he bounced from the present to the past, and would be missing for 2 days from his wife's point of view as well.

Achtung 11-14-07 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Patman
I take it that there's a conservation of time w/r/t Dan and Livia, meaning, if Dan bounces backwards in time for a duration 2 days, he returns 2 days from the point he bounced from the present to the past, and would be missing for 2 days from his wife's point of view as well.

Yeah that's what it seems like. Otherwise he could just come back to the point where he left and it'd be like he was never gone.

The other thing that bugs me is how he and his wife are almost taking this in stride. You'd figure they'd be doing as much as possible to figure out what's going on, not just contacting one scientist who never seems to give any answers. But I'm nitpicking.

Cellar Door 11-14-07 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by spainlinx0
So does Livia know when she dies, and can she affect that since she lives in the past? I mean it would be tough to look herself up in the 80's because the lack of Internet, but we don't know if she has jumped to the 90's. It would suck knowing when you died I would imagine.

Actually, we have seen Livia jump to the present--albeit briefly--to get the bag of money out of Dan's house before Jack could find it. So it is possible.

WallyOPD 11-14-07 11:41 AM

I thought Livia lived through the entire 90s before the plane crash?

Cellar Door 11-14-07 11:47 AM

Yeah, I don't remember when the plane crash took place, but she was with Dan for a couple years sometime in there.

MrE 11-14-07 12:02 PM

Did Livia die ... or just return to the 40s? I can't remember if they ever said they found her body or not.

superman69 11-14-07 12:12 PM

Dan has said they never found her body on the plane

bboisvert 11-14-07 12:26 PM

Yeah, Livia didn't die. She just jumped to another time and the folks in the "current" timeline assumed she was dead.

aktick 11-14-07 12:42 PM

So I was wondering if we know what year Livia initially jumped to the 80s and got stuck there? Was that 1948? If so, when she "jumped back" to her own time (before the plane crash), did she jump 15 or so years (however long she was "stuck" in Dan's time) later than her initial jump? Just curious if she was "missing" for all those years in HER real time?

And she jumped to the 90s quite a bit, I think, in past episodes?

That was a pretty good "holy shit" moment for me, when they revealed she was actually from way back then.

We don't necessarily know her real name, do we?

mrpayroll 11-14-07 12:50 PM

Now that we know that she was from 1948 and was probably in her early 30's at the time, I wish they would have cast someone else that looked like they were from that time period.

Moon Bloodgood

Ethnicity: Korean, Irish and Dutch

I mean, how many hot women born in the late 1910's would have had an ethnicity of Korean, Irish & Dutch?

Chris

0073735963 11-14-07 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Achtung
The FBI agent is getting annoying. I kinda wish someone would shoot him in the back of the head.

I think
Spoiler:
Jack Bauer
took care of that -wink-

Did Dan tell Jack again this week that he travels through time? If he did, I missed it. I'm trying to recall the times he's tried to tell him...

mrpayroll 11-14-07 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by joshyborra
I think
Spoiler:
Jack Bauer
took care of that -wink-

Did Dan tell Jack again this week that he travels through time? If he did, I missed it. I'm trying to recall the times he's tried to tell him...

I think he told him in the 2nd or 3rd episode.

Chris

B.A. 11-14-07 02:16 PM

Loved the reveal w/ the Livia and what I am assuming is his brother's gradual realization at the end.

spainlinx0 11-14-07 02:34 PM

Well I couldn't remember if she was with Dan in the 80's or 90's, but I think 90's would make more sense now that I think about it. That means she could look herself up, and see what happened to herself, but then again she might have assumed that she was never going to jump back after she was trapped in this time for so long. Either way, I thought it was a pretty cool twist.

lordzeppelin 11-14-07 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by superman69
since that would essentially get his ass in more trouble with Mr. Chapelle (what is his charcters name on this show, they should have named him something similar).

HAHA! I see I wasn't the only one going "Fuck, it's Chappelle? Now They're screwed..."

Cardiff Giant11 11-14-07 05:43 PM

About the actress playing Livia not being the best to be someone from 1948, I'm guessing that there may be part of Livia's backstory that involves a WWII Japanese internment camp. Maybe not her but her parents etc. Just a wild guess.

DeputyDave 11-14-07 06:06 PM

Why are so many people assuming they can only jump to time periods within their lifetime. Has the show ever said that? Wasn't that on Quantum Leap?

Superman07 11-14-07 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by DeputyDave
Why are so many people assuming they can only jump to time periods within their lifetime. Has the show ever said that? Wasn't that on Quantum Leap?

Well, if she was living in 48 and born in 18 (math's sake), that would put her at 70 or 80 by the 80s/90s. Then she'd be pushing 90 by 2007, so it is possible she'd "still be alive". However, if she disappeared in the 40s and lived in the 80s/90s for 15 years, then she wouldn't exactly be able to look up when she dieded. It would probably say vanished in 48. Unless of course after her "return", she stayed there and lived out a full life. Of course that also assumes the timeline stayed the same.

Anybody else think she may have a family since she alluded something to Dan a few episodes back? Be weird if she did since she seems to have been laying a guild trip on Dan a little.

I wonder if the FBI agent if familiar with time travel and is trying to identify Dan as somebody who has the ability.

Looking forward to more! :)


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