Originally Posted by abrg923

Meadow was never shown coming in the door on the East Coast feed - assuming you mean the first airing of the show from last night.

Originally Posted by KillerCannabis

Anyone else notice that on East Coast feeds the last shot was Meadow coming in the door and in the West Coast feeds it was Tony's face? At least, that's what I recall seeing since I watched them both...

Originally Posted by DRG

I was wondering about that, because I swore I saw Meadow coming in as the very last shot (although it was a split second before it cut to black, borderline subliminal) and yet many people on here were insisting the final shot was Tony looking up.

Originally Posted by KillerCannabis

Anyone else notice that on East Coast feeds the last shot was Meadow coming in the door and in the West Coast feeds it was Tony's face? At least, that's what I recall seeing since I watched them both...

Originally Posted by bunkaroo

Damn. I shouldn't have erase dmy HD recording. I staye dup and watched the non-HD west coast feed and they did not show Meadow entering. Not sure why the East Coast HD feed would. Some still have a recording they can screenshot?

Originally Posted by IIG

I rewatched the ending again, and for me it is definitive. Tony did not get killed. I challenge everyone to rewatch the ending. There is a scene with Tony telling everyone he ordered something for the table, then everyone is shown eating the onion rings. Where Tony is seated, we can see everything behind him, and there is no one there (except a waittress that walks past him). We can all see the restaurant from where everyone else is seated. Again, nobody suspicious is to be seen. Then we see Meadow running to the restaurant. The door opens, and Tony looks up at the sound of the bell, like he's been doing all night. There was no one closer to the door than Meadow, so common sense tells you it was her who entered. Again, no one is standing behind Tony. Granted the bathroom that the guy went to is to the right of Tony, and the entrance is to the left, so the camera does not show a great deal of what is happening to the right of him. But from a few quick flashes before Tony's final glance at the door, we don't see a barrel anywhere in or on the immediate outside of the final frame.

Now you mean to tell me, that someone pulled out a gun and shot Tony from long range in a crowded restaurant? Especially with the possibility of missing the target by any increasing distance? All angles were accounted for just at the Sopranos table, and this place was bustling with business. No screams, no ruckus, no warnings, no hysteria as a gunman pulls a gun out, aims, and shoots? Bologna. Even at close range, SOMEONE from the table would have said something. The guy would have had to hurried to the table, aimed the gun, and shot. From the shots that we see, he would not have had time to do that. There is no way Tony would have been looking at a door, even if his family was so petrified by what they saw that their voiceboxes temporarily gave out. The lack of concern on Tony's face, shows nothing was amiss in that restaurant at the time the door opened.

No. Tony and his family are still alive as far as the show is concerned. And though its fine for fans to discuss the ending until they are blue in the face, nothing in the world happened here.

This is one of the best series finales I have ever seen after the second viewing, by the way.

Originally Posted by Matto1020

It's funny you say that because I originally agreed with you...but I have rewatched that last two seconds now a couple times...he simply does not just look up...but quickly moves his hand from the Jukebox down to his side and has a look fear in his face almost. How does one make animated gifs from movie files?

Originally Posted by abrg923

But Meadow was NEVER seen coming into the bar - only running up to it. I'm not sure how people are making that mistake, when it was never even shown.

Originally Posted by Matto1020

It's funny you say that because I originally agreed with you...but I have rewatched that last two seconds now a couple times...he simply does not just look up...but quickly moves his hand from the Jukebox down to his side and has a look fear in his face almost. How does one make animated gifs from movie files?

Originally Posted by DVD Josh

Yes she was, on the HD feed at least.

Originally Posted by Quake1028

She was never shown coming into the diner on any feed. She is shown running up, bell rings, Tony looks up, cut to black and silence.

Originally Posted by DVD Josh

You are arguing semantics. Running up to the bar and coming into the bar means the same thing. No one is saying differently. You are right, and they are right, it's the same damn thing.

Originally Posted by Quake1028

Not really. Coming into the diner means we see her physically doing the act; we don't see that, we see her running towards the door.

Originally Posted by dadaluholla

Cancelled HBO this morning. I'm thinking I'll sell off my previous Sopranos DVD sets as well. This show is pretty much dead to me.

Originally Posted by VitiminJ

Oh... that will show 'em. Do realize how many people cancel HBO after every season of Sopranos, just because its an added expense? I didn't start watching Sopranos on HBO until the third season, when I called my cable company to add HBO they had a full staff working on a Sunday just to add HBO for new Sopranos veiwers. And selling your DVDs for far more then half of what you paid for them will do nothing but make some penny-pincher happy. You've already ponied up the money that went to HBO/Chase anyway. I'll tell you what I'll give you $25 for all of them.

Originally Posted by IIG

I rewatched the ending again, and for me it is definitive. Tony did not get killed. I challenge everyone to rewatch the ending. There is a scene with Tony telling everyone he ordered something for the table, then everyone is shown eating the onion rings. Where Tony is seated, we can see everything behind him, and there is no one there (except a waittress that walks past him). We can all see the restaurant from where everyone else is seated. Again, nobody suspicious is to be seen. Then we see Meadow running to the restaurant. The door opens, and Tony looks up at the sound of the bell, like he's been doing all night. There was no one closer to the door than Meadow, so common sense tells you it was her who entered. Again, no one is standing behind Tony. Granted the bathroom that the guy went to is to the right of Tony, and the entrance is to the left, so the camera does not show a great deal of what is happening to the right of him. But from a few quick flashes before Tony's final glance at the door, we don't see a barrel anywhere in or on the immediate outside of the final frame.

Now you mean to tell me, that someone pulled out a gun and shot Tony from long range in a crowded restaurant? Especially with the possibility of missing the target by any increasing distance? All angles were accounted for just at the Sopranos table, and this place was bustling with business. No screams, no ruckus, no warnings, no hysteria as a gunman pulls a gun out, aims, and shoots? Bologna. Even at close range, SOMEONE from the table would have said something. The guy would have had to hurried to the table, aimed the gun, and shot. From the shots that we see, he would not have had time to do that. There is no way Tony would have been looking at a door, even if his family was so petrified by what they saw that their voiceboxes temporarily gave out. The lack of concern on Tony's face, shows nothing was amiss in that restaurant at the time the door opened.

Originally Posted by VitiminJ

Oh... that will show 'em. Do realize how many people cancel HBO after every season of Sopranos, just because its an added expense? I didn't start watching Sopranos on HBO until the third season, when I called my cable company to add HBO they had a full staff working on a Sunday just to add HBO for new Sopranos veiwers. And selling your DVDs for far more then half of what you paid for them will do nothing but make some penny-pincher happy. You've already ponied up the money that went to HBO/Chase anyway. I'll tell you what I'll give you $25 for all of them.

Originally Posted by DVD Josh

I'm not going to argue semantics with you either. It plainly does, especially in a conversational manner.

Originally Posted by Dignam

Their voiceboxes gave out? Wow, talk about going eight steps beyond anything we saw in this fictional universe. You're right, when Tony is seated we don't see anything behind him.. except the rest of the television set that Gandolfini and the other actors are on. ;)

Even if ten guys had rushed Tony while he reached into his jacket, if it cuts to black after that, that's how it ends. Once the show is over, it's over. The credits roll, and there's nothing more to the story than what made it into that last hour. We only see what was written, produced, and aired. There was no future story ala Six Feet Under, the show simply ended. Whether or not Meadow made it inside or bathroom guy went #1 or #2 don't matter, as those details were not part of the story we were told. Anything else is conjecture, and even an 'explanation' from David Chase in the NY Times wouldn't put things on the screen that weren't there. The finale sucked hard, and guessing at what happens in a fictional story after it ends won't make that last 'chapter' any better. Like I said a few pages ago, it's not a Choose Your Own Adventure Book.

I challenge you to realize that you only saw what you saw, nothing more and nothing less. Meadow NEVER had Frosted Flakes for breakfast.. or DID SHE!?

Originally Posted by Giantrobo

The more I think about the more i realize Paulie has always been my favorite character. For all his faults he's still pretty cool and to me, he's no where near as evil as Tony.

Originally Posted by Numanoid

I'll argue, because you're talking nonsensically. "Coming into" the bar (actually a restaurant) means entering the building. We never see her at the door, nor opening the door, and least of all stepping foot into the building. The last shot of her, she is still in the street. That certainly isn't the same as "coming into" the place. "Heading for" is more appropriate.

Originally Posted by Numanoid

I'll argue, because you're talking nonsensically. "Coming into" the bar (actually a restaurant) means entering the building. We never see her at the door, nor opening the door, and least of all stepping foot into the building. The last shot of her, she is still in the street. That certainly isn't the same as "coming into" the place. "Heading for" is more appropriate.