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Get rid of CTU. Get out of Los Angeles. Get rid of the president angles.
I think they just need to scale it back abit. Try a season of Jack on the run trying to save his own ass. And I feel bad for the guy, get him laid or something. |
I think they missed a huge opportunity for this season. It should have focused on Jack escaping from the Chinese prison, perhaps with some sensitive intel about an impending threat he needs to get to CTU. It would have been cool seeing him on foreign soil, working on his own. There could have been a B-plot showing the people back at CTU working on the threat. That would have been an interesting way to change things up a bit.
I am getting sick of how every season seems to be like 4 years in the future. Pretty soon they should riding around in hover cars with their pet robots. |
I think the 24 writers need to sit down and read a newspaper, watch CNN to get some new ideas for the show. They need to stop watching previous seasons of 24 for their ideas. IMO, the show also needs a new show runner. I believe I read somewhere that Howard Gordon is having a hard time coming up with new ideas each season and is feeling burned out. Get some fresh blood in there.
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Originally Posted by Jadzia
I am getting sick of how every season seems to be like 4 years in the future. Pretty soon they should riding around in hover cars with their pet robots.
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Originally Posted by TimeandTide
Why isn't "show Marisol Nichols in every frame" an option?
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As noted above, aliens or zombies. It's not as crazy as you think and would give everybody a new threat.
My opinion is that this year should end with major cities throughout the U.S. being nuked and next year's season takes place during full out World War 3. The show is already far over the top. No reason they can't just go for broke. |
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I actually thought the first 4 episodes were very good, even though they were repeating a lot of the themes from the first few seasons (terrorist hiding in the suburbs, nuclear threat, killing off a familiar character, etc). I'm not sure what has happened since then - the show seems to be steadily losing steam. I voted for moving the show out of LA. Maybe it needs a change in setting.
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While on a vacation Jack's car breaks down in Hills Have Eyes country.
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What about a prequel? Maybe a season set before season 1 (Operation Nightfall/Drazens). Or maybe something that would show what occured in between seasons 2 and 3.
Either way, I think it'd be good because you can bring back fan favorites, and you have at least a general idea for a storyline based on what has already happened. |
Originally Posted by brainee
It's kind of silly to say that the only possible ideas to do for a show about a CTU agent is: bomb threat to LA, pres assasination, biowarfare threat to LA, nerve gas threat to LA, kidnapped family member. Yes, by definition the show has to have terrorists. But that should no more limit good storylines than cop shows, doctor shows, spy shows, war shows, lawyer shows.
I think you're having the same problem the writers are having. You're hung up on thinking about this show from the "threat" perspective. What's the threat? Bomb? check. Gas? check. Assassination? check. Bio-weapon? check. Moles? check. Threatened family? check. The better the threat, the better the story? Not true. If you're thinking that way, there really aren't any original stories to be told in any genre. What has hurt 24 more than anything is the loss of realism and character-relating. When you care about the characters is when you really get into a show. Supporting characters have been killed, and Jack has turned into a cartoon. Get me invested in the characters again. That's what I want. And why not set the season outside of CTU? A season only takes place in 1 day anyway. You can have Jack in the field, and others at CTU (maybe a smaller side story going on in LA). Everyone in the cast doesn't have to be within driving distance of each other. I doubt they'll do it, but for instance: why not a story with Jack in China? Investigating the death of Audrey (who may not be dead), and its shady circumstances. Maybe forced to ally himself with the very people who tortured him. Uncovering a shadow operation, perhaps involving rogue Americans and Chinese. I agree with the character killing. I really miss Tony and Curtis. But the killing of major characters adds to the shock value/nobody is safe on 24 feel. I'm not asking for something that is original in the action/suspense genre, I'm asking for something original inside the 24 world. With the fans and critics down on the show this season, I wonder if the 24 movie is still on target. |
Originally Posted by PacMan2006
What about a prequel? Maybe a season set before season 1 (Operation Nightfall/Drazens). Or maybe something that would show what occured in between seasons 2 and 3.
Either way, I think it'd be good because you can bring back fan favorites, and you have at least a general idea for a storyline based on what has already happened. Events between Season 2 and 3: Play 24: The Game for Playstation 2. It covers the events between those seasons. |
My honest opinion is make the 24 season shorter. Its clear the writers have run out of ideas, but having to stretch out poor ideas to 24 episodes is ridiculous. I say this show needs a serious change in format. This current season is the worst since Season 4!
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No nuclear threat. Maybe have Jack in DC and the threat is there. He can still be in contact with CTU LA so Bill & Milo are around. No moles or bickering at CTU.
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Jack has 24 hours to get Fat Tony the pretzel money. But because Fat Tony is serious, Jack has TWELVE hours.
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I would like to see a smaller story maybe set outside the us with Jack or if its the us. move out of CTU and make sure the enemy isnt someone connected to Jack. Bring back real time and a smaller story could make it much more tense.
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Well, I remember Kiefer mentioned that Season 1 was originally designed as a 13-part mini-series before FOX decided to order 11 more episodes to make it "24"
I believe he mentioned the writers struggled with the larger order and alot of "filler" episodes had to be created. Honestly, the show still works as a 24 episode series, they just need to hire some new writers, watch some CNN, read the paper to keep the show current. Joel Surnow wants to make this show about the "War on Terror" but right now they are way way behind the times. |
A couple of smaller story arcs could be:
1. A take on DOA with Jack being poisoned trying to find the antedote 2. Jack helping the FBI with a kidnapping 3. Jack helping the local police with a serial killer or killers 4. A take on "The Most Dangerous Game" with Jack being hunted for sport 5. If they insist on keeping the show about "The War on Terror", move the show to Washington DC or New York City and maybe make a series of Sleeper Cell Terror attacks similar to "The Siege" with Denzel Washington |
One thing I thought they could would be to broaden the scope of the show and do a 24 DAY threat where each episode was 1 day. Then you could have Jack in my locations across the country and globe.
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How about the 24 writers just come up with a set of guidelines for next season?
1) No mole in CTU. 2) No duplicitous Vice President. 3) No lame soap opera elements. 4) No nukes. 5) L.A. is not the target of any threats. 6) Minimal killing of supporting characters simply for shock value. 7) No attack on the President. 8) Start the season at a time other than 6AM-8AM. And most importantly of all, stop making it up as you go! I know the 24 staff almost gets off on the fact that they've gotten away with winging it since Episode 13 of Season 1, but it's finally caught up with them. They clearly have no idea where to take the storyline, so they're lazily falling back on previous plotlines. And when they run out of ideas for a character(i.e. David Palmer, Tony, Michelle, Curtis, possibly Logan), they simply kill them off. 24's biggest problems right now are a terrible supporting cast who inexplicably seem to be given more and more screentime over Jack with each passing week as well as a lazy, rehashed plot. These are two things that can be easily remedied. The question is do the 24 writers and producers care enough to even bother? |
I always liked the idea ofJack defending the President from attempts on his life. Something like Jack vs. an infamous team of international hitmen who have already killed a foreign leader. Perhaps they "announce" their targets on rogue websites out of pride and advertisement. Give the hitmen a name (like the Iron Fist or Devil's Hand orsomething) and only 3 are known/pictured. Different personalities/styles/appearances/nationalities. Make sure they target the President or someone powerful. Also make sure that they add Bauer to the list by hour 4. Then, you get Bauer fighting a plot, different "blocks" of time with different villains, and some potential reveals at the end (Mandy is the easy one, maybe Jack's Dad as the head of the group? Hell, make Logan be in charge of it all as the 5th assassin or something). It could be contained, tense, and for once wouldn't involve a global catastrophe.
Or maybe I'm just being silly... |
Originally Posted by brainee
And why not set the season outside of CTU? A season only takes place in 1 day anyway. why not a story with Jack in China? Investigating the death of Audrey (who may not be dead), and its shady circumstances. Maybe forced to ally himself with the very people who tortured him. Uncovering a shadow operation, perhaps involving rogue Americans and Chinese.
I think they could really reinvent themselves if they ditch CTU. Have Jack quit after this season. Have him take on smaller threats, less elaborate/predictable ones...boil it down to it's core and make it gritty as fuck. I think Season 7 should easily be Jack Bauer in China alone, without the aid of CTU, trying to find out what happened to Audrey. If she's dead, great, have him get revenge on the people who did it and find out WHY. If she's actually still alive, have him find out WHY they faked her death, get revenge on the people who did it, rescue Audrey and make the season finale an hour long sex scene. If Chloe needs to be in it, fine. Have Jack make a call to her around hour 6 and then check in again at hour 15 but leave it at that. The sideplots have somehow become the A storylines on this show, with Jack getting the short end of the stick. I really hope they do reinvent themselves in season 7 and for the love of God, don't introduce any more mentally challenged computer hackers. |
It is quite sad to see a show go from one of its greatest seasons(5) to its worst season yet(6) in the span of a year. Smallville did the same going from season 3 to 4.
Originally Posted by DJariya
Events between Season 2 and 3: Play 24: The Game for Playstation 2. It covers the events between those seasons.
As for the terrible current cast, I won't place blame on the actors, that burden rests completely on the writers. Remember at one point we all hated Chloe with a passion and now look where she sits on the food chain. I agree with everyone else, 24 is tired, but if the show must stick to the formula, the staff has shown they can retread familiar ground and still be fresh... see the first four episodes this year. They just need a break and/or some new blood to help keep it fresh all year. Also getting outside LA/CTU and focusing on Bauer would be ideal. Get away from the presidential storylines as they have become very drab and too over-the-top. |
I'd like to see a day in Jack's life when there is NOT a terrorist thread. 1/4 - 1/3 of the season will be him just sleeping. :lol:
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Originally Posted by DJariya
Well, I remember Kiefer mentioned that Season 1 was originally designed as a 13-part mini-series before FOX decided to order 11 more episodes to make it "24"
I don't think calling it "24" and only having 12 episodes would make sense. Yeah the "real time" is a little out the window, but it is still an important element of the show. Fresh blood and perhaps a year's hiatus is what it needs. |
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