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Patman 05-10-04 11:20 PM

Take away the Madison subplot, and I would have had a better reaction to the season finale. But it's sort of typical soapy writing: finally bring the 2 lovebirds destined to be together (after 2 seasons of keeping them apart with so many diversions) and have a pregnancy waiting to ruin everything. Tick Tock Tick Tock...

Say what you will about Ephram and Amy, I do think Gregory Smith and Emily VanCamp have amazing on-screen chemistry.

Brak55 05-10-04 11:42 PM

I don't know, I was bothered by a number of developments.

Is it fair of Andy to not let Ephrom know, any time in the near future, that he will be a father?

Would Amy's parents REALLY just let her go off to New York, even if she does have a place to stay?

Does anyone put the money and time into starting a new business venture and close it after the first day? Whatever happened to the concept of promotion and time to build word of mouth? And why wouldn't he let Brite (or Bright or whatever) take it over to at least let the family take SOME crack at it?

I love the show, but their were just too many odd things in this episode.

Patman 05-10-04 11:45 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Bright did take over the bagel store during the summer and turned it around.

calhoun07 05-10-04 11:55 PM


Originally posted by Brak55
Does anyone put the money and time into starting a new business venture and close it after the first day? Whatever happened to the concept of promotion and time to build word of mouth? And why wouldn't he let Brite (or Bright or whatever) take it over to at least let the family take SOME crack at it?

I also agree that he wrapped up the shop too quickly. It would have been a good thing for Bright to take over while he figured out his school issues, and would it have killed Abbot to get some donuts in the shop? He made thousands of bagles a day for a small town with a population in the hundreds??? Then he wondered why he had so many day olds?

shoppingbear 05-11-04 02:45 PM


Originally posted by Patman
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Bright did take over the bagel store during the summer and turned it around.
I thought Harold said (to Andy when he agreed to be partners) that "the last bagel has been made", or somesuch? Sounds like the closing is a done deal.

shoppingbear 05-11-04 02:50 PM


Originally posted by Superman07
I was a little surprised that there wasn't much of a cliffhanger. However, I am guessing that Andy's cliffhanger
Spoiler:
"how could it get any worse?", and "sometimes i wonder what it will take to wake you up."
, coupled with the final sequence are foreshadowing something to be determined for next year.

I didn't take it that way at all, I think "sometimes i wonder what it will take to wake you up" was about Julia having died... the dream at the end showed Andy what life would've been like if she HADN'T died (the reference to Andy having missed 16 years of Ephram's life, and that Ephram had just gotten into the Julliard summer program), and when his wife said "sometimes i wonder what it will take to wake you up", it was that little bit of irony: what "woke him up" was that she died four years back, and now he does know his kids, and he is involved, and not so self-centered. He'd been saying to Harold something about he didn't know what his wife's death meant, how to make sense of it, and the dream at the end was him figuring out that his wife's death reconnected him with his kids.

Goldberg74 05-11-04 05:21 PM

I wonder what movie Bright and Delia went to go see?

B.A. 05-11-04 05:23 PM


Originally posted by Goldberg74
I wonder what movie Bright and Delia went to go see?
Definitely Mean Girls.

Superman07 05-11-04 06:21 PM


Originally posted by B.A.
Definitely Mean Girls.
No doubt Britnay was in it.

Superman07 05-11-04 09:47 PM

Everwood *Season Two*
 
Now that the season has come to a close I thought it might be a good idea to put down some thoughts and comments on the season in regards to both the season itself, and in comparison to season one. To start I suppose I'll go through the characters and my thoughts on their journey this season, at which point I'll make some more overarching comments on the season as a whole and its themes. Be warned, there are spoilers if you have not seen the season.

Delia - Right here was probably one of the weakst points of the season (get the bad out of the way first, no?). Last season I think Delia work very well as her point of view was a nice contrast to Ephram's. It was good to see how they both delt with their new environment - likewise, the same could be said for Andy. There were only two high points for Delia this season as far as I am concerned. First, Delia punching our Britnay was great. Sorry, I'm not trying to advocate violence in schools or anything, but that girl just rubbed me the wrong way. Second, Delia's firing of Madison. Well done and from the heart. However, this does bring me back to probably the biggest problems with Delia this season - the majority of her scenes felt forced and fake. I'm not sure if this was due to her range of skills and an actress, or the writing, or perhaps a combination of both.

Nina - Girl got problems. I realize some people go through certain stages in their life, but it is as if Nina never wakes up (literally since she had the incident with Sam and the car accident). She keeps going on about how Jake doesn't mean harm and she's not worried. Next thing she knows everything is being yanked out from under her. I think this goes back to what somebody said in a previuos post - but small town people are not that dumb and naive despite stereotypes. On the plus side her acting was good and she served her supportive role well when she was there.

Rose/Edna/Irv - Good acting and good character development. Not much else to say here I suppose, though I'm sure somebody can add more.

Madison/Tommy - Ahh, the two we all love to hate. I'm not sure I really know where to begin with these two, nor do I know if I will really cover everything. I think for about one half of one episode did I have hope that Tommy might actually be good for Amy and that was during the Thanksgiving episode when he was run out of the house. After that it was all down hill and all the initial bad vibes came true. As for Madison, she is a very complex individual and much more likable than Tommy. On some levels I think we can all relate to her relationship with Ephram, but at the same time we all have issues with some of her decisions regarding their relationship. I do think that her continual apperance all the way through the season does speak to her positive recption versus Tommy's 'early' exit.

Linda - I must say I enjoyed Linda very much. The acting was well done the the story lines were woven very nicely. Not only did her arrival stir things up, but more importantly so did her departure. I was quite moved by her and Andy's relationship - especially the breakup. My first reactin would be to say what was she thinking getting into a relationship with Andy when he has two kids to look after, but at this point in her life I can understand how she would just give up and take the relationship that was finally in front of her despite her condition - even if it does seem selfish. I think Linda will be missed and it would be nice to see her make an apperance next season for a while.

Harold - Harold probably had one of the more complex and compelling developments this season. We saw him go from giving everything he had to his daughter to support her, to losing his job. Inbetween he almost lost his relationship with his son and in a sense he lost part of his relationship with his sister, again, while still having more than he did when she arrived. At times my heart really went out to Harold this season as we saw him struggle more than some of the others even if it wasn't painfully obvious.

Bright - Probably the best part of the season. He brought the funny when nobody else could. It was very impressive to see how he still brought this aspect to the table even though his situation with college and unknown future was probably more 'real' than anybody elses dilemmas. I hope we see more of it next season.

Andy - The meat of Andy's arc this season delt with Linda and his decisions as a parent. Similarly to Harold, I think Andy suffered a lot more this season than is obvious. We saw both sides of his lament in regards to his relationship with Linda. I do believe his relationship with Ephram did come a long way this season and was quite impressive. However, I think we all know where that is going next season... What I do find interesting and almost out of left field is the dream sequence at the end of the last episode. Many people have interpreted it as Andy has finally realized he is awake, while others (myself include) have speculated it is more foreshadowing for next season.

Amy - Despite most of the season was a negative for Amy, and that she probably served as a huge black hole I think her journey was a necessary trip - even though we could have done without Tommy. It was interesting to see how Amy's decisions contrasted to Ephrams even though she had many, if not all, of the same opportunities. What is more interesting is how I think we see how some of Ephram has rubbed off on Amy, as I am not so sure she would have made the same decisions had she been in the same situation two years before. Please reference the birth control issue and sex. What I did find odd was Amy's reaction to Ephram after the piano audtion. While I felt it was justified I still felt it was over the top.

Ephram - It's been a while, but I feel like the majority of his relationship with Madison was rushed, from the coupling to the sex to the breakup. I also felt like his piano skills and practice was dropped. We didn't see him doing this in school, and there were only two or three episodes where he had a lesson with JEJ; not to mention the similar number of episodes where he was just practicing in the house. I also feel like he 'got over' Madison much to quickly and moved on to Amy, especially with the 'You're the one. You're who I want to be with.' bit. Don't get me wrong, I want them to be together, but it seems rushed and force.

Season in General - I honestly feel cheated. It's as if this season was one massive black hole. There were terriffic moments and story lines, but I feel like both the Amy/Tommy and Ephram/Madison relationships sucked about 2/3 of this season away. I found myself almost not wanting to watch as I watch both A and E fall further and further from where they were at the end of last season. I especially was upset with Amy's decisions regarding Tommy and how she handled his extra curricular activities, desipite warnings from Lacy (sp). I do feel the season picked up steam and the end and has set up some very interesting story lines for next season. While the first season seemed very up beat and positive, I felt like this season was the oposite, and yet I hope that next season is not more negative than this season was.

Please feel free to extend on what I said or give your own thoughts if you think I am completely out of my mind. I'm sure I can and will add more, but in the mean time I look forward to what you all have to say.

Superman07 05-15-04 08:15 AM

Nobody else has any thoughts on the season as a whole?

calhoun07 05-15-04 01:32 PM

The main thing I didn't like about season two was too often all the characters would suddenly go through the same set of problems or face the same dilemmas but in a different way, like the "sex" episode where it seemed like everybody was contemplating taking their relationships to the next level. That kind of structuring of the plot lines got old quick. But I don't think the season was a black hole, and am satisfied with here the characters ended up after the end of this season and can't wait for season three.

LorenzoL 05-23-04 10:17 AM

I wonder if Madison (Sarah Lancaster) will be back to the show to at least finish off her storyline since she's in a new show at CBS called Dr. Vegas

djones6746 05-23-04 02:51 PM

I love this show!!! Cannot wait for Season 1 on dvd which I believe is tentatively due out in the fall. Nothing solid yet. :)

djones6746 05-23-04 02:52 PM


Originally posted by LorenzoL
I wonder if Madison (Sarah Lancaster) will be back to the show to at least finish off her storyline since she's in a new show at CBS called Dr. Vegas
They will either take care of her early on in Season 3 or she will wind up making a couple of guest appearances later in the season. IMO :)

B.A. 09-13-04 01:00 PM

Everwood *Season 3 Premiere* - 09/13/04
 
"For Every Action", Episode #301.

Spoiler:
Ephram and Amy's reunion after a long summer apart turns cold when Amy's euphoria is replaced with paranoia after she notices Ephram acting distant.


Cast: Treat Williams, Gregory Smith, Emily Van Camp, Debra Mooney, John Beasley, Vivien Cardone, Chris Pratt, Stephanie Niznik, Merrilyn Gann, Tom Amandes, Scott Wolf, Sarah Lancaster, Scott Wolf.
Director(s): David Petrarca.
Producer(s): Greg Berlanti, Mickey Liddell.
Writer(s): Rina Mimoun.

Original Airdate: September 13, 2004.

Patman 09-13-04 01:45 PM

Finally!

Superman07 09-13-04 04:57 PM

I was reading some stuff over lunch at Zap2it and I'm a little concerned about how this may all turn out.
Most of all I'm concerned with what G.S. has done with his hair.
Also, I'm willing to put some money down that whatever situation Bright is in will definitely add some unexpected funny to the episode - I'm expecting a serious throwdown between a handful of people and I'm also willing to bet Andy will be at the center of more than a few of those. ;)

Superman07 09-13-04 09:12 PM

Interesting how they played off Ephram's "It looks like I know what you think I know you know", with what he actually knew.
Meanwhile, back at the office, looks like "Al" telling Andy to keep the secert will blow up with both of the respective children.

cdoug57 09-13-04 09:27 PM

Wow, good way to start off the season.

Always seems like good dramatic situations when Ephram and Andy can blow up with each other.

Obviously, Ephram did not let his family know how classes at Julliard were going. Glad to see Delia finally getting enough spunk to call Ephram on his behavior.

Very welcome to see that Andy and Harold are actually trying to work on their relationship. Was waiting for the "Shouldn't the sign be alphabetical, Abbott and Brown?... Just a thought..."

Actually looking forward to next weeks ep.

Will the new guy and the neighbor get together?

calhoun07 09-13-04 10:16 PM

I really liked how they kept us guessing who knew what and how much until towards the end. I've also been going through season one on DVD, and just love this show, and it's awesome to see how much it's evolved into something even better.

Does anybody know what roll Anne Hesche will play on the series? IMDB.com lists her as a cast memember this year.

Patman 09-13-04 10:37 PM

Was Ephram trying to look like Wolverine? He looked like he aged 2 years over 8 weeks. Not crazy about the shaggy look on him. Looks like the summer was good to Amy's physique as well.

I'd forgotten how spastic Scott Wolf can be. Will he and Nina be hooking up, or making Andy jealous? Probably.

I hope they don't drag out the Madison secret and just deal with it. At least Ephram was wise to Andy's over-compensation of keeping the secret for him.

Delia's grown up a lot in 2 months too. She ain't afraid to call Ephram on the carpet when he's being a turd.

Glad to see Rose get into the title credits (new credits, BTW).

AndyCapps 09-14-04 07:04 AM


Originally posted by Superman07

Most of all I'm concerned with what G.S. has done with his hair.

My wife made an interesting point. It looks a bit Colinish to us.

Anybody else creeped out by Amy's father and grandmother knowing about Madison? Methinks Andy's not doing Ephram any favors by letting his girlfriend's family know that she's dating an impregnator.

Superman07 09-14-04 07:23 AM


Originally posted by AndyCapps
My wife made an interesting point. It looks a bit Colinish to us.

Anybody else creeped out by Amy's father and grandmother knowing about Madison? Methinks Andy's not doing Ephram any favors by letting his girlfriend's family know that she's dating an impregnator.

Per the hair - I don't think I'd have "as much" of a problem with it if he'd get rid of those little scruffy things that aren't really sideburns.

I also already touched on Andy telling Harold - I think it will come back to bite them both.


Originally posted by Patman
I'd forgotten how spastic Scott Wolf can be. Will he and Nina be hooking up, or making Andy jealous? Probably.
I noticed him looking at her as well, but their age difference seems too off - plus Nina just doesn't jive with me other than her sometimes sagely advice to Andy. Granted there wasn't much interaction between the two yet, but I just can't see them getting along as a couple at this point.

Any thoughts on if Linda will come back and be pregnant at the end of the season?! How well would that go over after all of this Ephram/Madison bit! =)

B.A. 09-14-04 07:38 AM


Originally posted by Patman
Was Ephram trying to look like Wolverine? He looked like he aged 2 years over 8 weeks. Not crazy about the shaggy look on him. Looks like the summer was good to Amy's physique as well.
Ephram just needs to shave those half-assed sideburns. If you can't grow them - don't.

My wife noticed Emily Van Camp's personal growth even before I did. Looks good on her. :D

Good ep, I liked the uncertainty of whether Ephram knew or not. I think too many people know Andy's secret. It's going to get back to Amy, then Ephram, eventually.


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