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VHS? 05-11-06 03:23 PM

I doubt it is anything, I just saw it as odd that it changed from a normal curser to the block curser.

Another thing about the whole map Locke saw.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...5-b32b330b3306

As you can see, whoever drew this was trying to figure out where he was.
If this person was making a map to remember all the hatches and write down as much info as possible of his adventure, why is the center a '?'
Did he assume something was in the center?
If he knew what was there, why not just draw another hatch like the rest?We all saw it is in afct another hatch.

DVD Josh 05-11-06 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by VHS?
I doubt it is anything, I just saw it as odd that it changed from a normal curser to the block curser.

Another thing about the whole map Locke saw.
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload...5-b32b330b3306

As you can see, whoever drew this was trying to figure out where he was.
If this person was making a map to remember all the hatches and write down as much info as possible of his adventure, why is the center a '?'
Did he assume something was in the center?
If he knew what was there, why not just draw another hatch like the rest?We all saw it is in afct another hatch.

I think Desmond drew the map. This assumes that Desmond is NOT in on the experiment / Dharma / Others. If you look at the boundary around the map, it says "travel time not compatible with 108. Do not attempt". This to me means that he was exploring the island and knew exactly how far he could go and still get back in time to enter the numbers.

VHS? 05-11-06 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by cupcake jesus
I don't think that Michael's crime was recorded in the Pearl Station, because the attendants were supposed to write everything they saw on the monitors. Maybe it is recorded, and the Pearl Station is some sort of honesty experiment.

I love this show.

cheers,

-the Jesus

Good call.Because I dont remember anything suggesting that the cameras 'recorded' anything, they just allow the 'rats' to watch and it is their duty so to speak, to write down what they see.

The Bus 05-11-06 03:32 PM

I'm glad Eko didn't die! :up:

DVD Josh 05-11-06 03:36 PM

MAJOR SPOILER MAJOR SPOILER MAJOR SPOILER

Spoiler:
This is supposedly set pics for the season finale. Is this the "?"?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hawaii/...7594127552866/

ben12 05-11-06 03:39 PM

Maybe he drew the ? there because he saw the big ? in the grass?

DVD Josh 05-11-06 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by ben12
Maybe he drew the ? there because he saw the big ? in the grass?

I like it. Sometimes we assume things are so complicated in this show they might actually be simplistic.

suziq999 05-11-06 03:42 PM

I also first thought of Michael and "walt's" conversation on the computer when I saw that giant printout, and then when Eko took it... I am pretty sure that it will come about again.

tbird2340 05-11-06 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by The Bus
I'm glad Eko didn't die! :up:

Word! I was scared when they showed him falling in last weeks trailer.. Man I'm glad that was a dream!

pinata242 05-11-06 03:43 PM

I find it hard to believe that Desmond could get from the Swan and back within 108 minutes to any of those places, let alone enough to come up with this map.

VHS? 05-11-06 03:44 PM

That spoiler was up last night on a few sites.If you saw the preview for next week, it isnt so much a spoiler really....but the preview itself for next week is big time!
While watching it I was like Chuck Liddell watching a UFC match,,,twitching and almost falling off the couch :lol:

pinata242 05-11-06 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by suziq999
I also first thought of Michael and "walt's" conversation on the computer when I saw that giant printout, and then when Eko took it... I am pretty sure that it will come about again.

What about whether or not Fenry really did punch in the numbers or if he was telling Locke the truth?

Josh-da-man 05-11-06 03:48 PM

Not to mention how Desmond managed to draw the map on the blast door with UV paint/markers.

Okay... we've only seen the blast doors drop once, they didn't stay down for long, and the UV light only came on for a few seconds. Whoever drew that map looks like they worked pretty extensively on it.

If Desmond was into cartography, I would think he would go exploring and then write down whatever he had seen either during or immediately after his trip instead of waiting for the blast doors to drop. And, considering that he did it with UV-visible ink that isn't visible in normal light, he would have had to have drawn it when the UV light was on.

The only way the map makes sense for Desmond to have drawn it is if he could control the blast doors and lights at will. Which we haven't seen any indication of yet.

Why not just draw it on a wall or in regular ink.

And where did he get the UV stuff?

DVD Josh 05-11-06 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by pinata242
I find it hard to believe that Desmond could get from the Swan and back within 108 minutes to any of those places, let alone enough to come up with this map.

It does seem unlikely, but there's really no other way to interpret that comment on the map.

Also, we are assuming that ABOVE ground. If the hatches are somehow connected, the travel time may be significantly less.

DVD Josh 05-11-06 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Not to mention how Desmond managed to draw the map on the blast door with UV paint/markers.

Okay... we've only seen the blast doors drop once, they didn't stay down for long, and the UV light only came on for a few seconds. Whoever drew that map looks like they worked pretty extensively on it.

If Desmond was into cartography, I would think he would go exploring and then write down whatever he had seen either during or immediately after his trip instead of waiting for the blast doors to drop. And, considering that he did it with UV-visible ink that isn't visible in normal light, he would have had to have drawn it when the UV light was on.

The only way the map makes sense for Desmond to have drawn it is if he could control the blast doors and lights at will. Which we haven't seen any indication of yet.

Why not just draw it on a wall or in regular ink.

And where did he get the UV stuff?

I don't have alot of answers to the above, but do have one -

Is Desmond into cartography? Well, I can't imagine you take a trip (or race, was it) around the world unless you have at least a passing fancy.

pinata242 05-11-06 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
It does seem unlikely, but there's really no other way to interpret that comment on the map.

Also, we are assuming that ABOVE ground. If the hatches are somehow connected, the travel time may be significantly less.

Weren't the corridors sealed off due to "the incident"? Or at least that what they say. If that's the case it would have to have been before Desmond.

But, I agree, underground travel would be much faster than above. Set a timer for 50 minutes and jet.

VHS? 05-11-06 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by ben12
Maybe he drew the ? there because he saw the big ? in the grass?

Thing is, you wouldnt get the ? until the plane dropped as it completed it.If the plane is not there, all you have is a circle that has some grass growing to make it appear as a ? if you have the black soot on the ground from the plane.Remember, Boone made it fall from the tree's.

Again, maybe digging too far, but just putting a timeline on it.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3701/pic5yh.jpg

kenny79 05-11-06 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
It does say that on the blast door map. We were talking about that this morning at work.

http://www.lostlinks.net/images/blastdoor.jpg

Throwing this out there -- who drew the blast door map, and how? Desmond? Obviously it had to be down for a long time to write everything. And why draw it on a door that's only seen for a few seconds?

Kerborus 05-11-06 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by kenny79
Throwing this out there -- who drew the blast door map, and how? Desmond? Obviously it had to be down for a long time to write everything. And why draw it on a door that's only seen for a few seconds?

Don't forget - Desmond was with Kelvin for a while, until he died. Who knows how long Kelvin was there? With 2 people in the station, travel times could be much greater.

DVD Josh 05-11-06 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by kenny79
Throwing this out there -- who drew the blast door map, and how? Desmond? Obviously it had to be down for a long time to write everything. And why draw it on a door that's only seen for a few seconds?

I would still say Desmond, for my reasons above, and with the fact that being by yourself for a long period of time and only being able to sleep for 108 minutes at a time would make you pretty crazy, the kind of crazy that would intersperce latin with english on a neon map.

VHS? 05-11-06 05:07 PM

Very true.No need to have to worry about the button if you have two peolpe.

Another thing I saw on another board that may be possible.
Marvin Candle - Swan video - Fake arm
Mark Wickman - Pearl video - Real arm
Twins? ( bad twin book )
Is one a clone of the other?

DVD Josh 05-11-06 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by VHS?
Very true.No need to have to worry about the button if you have two peolpe.

Another thing I saw on another board that may be possible.
Marvin Candle - Swan video - Fake arm
Mark Wickman - Pearl video - Real arm
Twins? ( bad twin book )
Is one a clone of the other?

That is now my #1 theory:

Theory: Primary Dharma Research Project - Cloning

I am convinced that cloning is a major part of Dharma and LOST. Here are the clues that lead me to this theory:

1) Gary Troup's book "Bad Twin". Gary Troup was on Oceanic 815. He was the author of the manuscript Sawyer is reading. That book is titled "Bad Twin" - a reference to cloning. Even more telling, from the book's description - "Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike".

2) One of the passwords given to us by Persephone on the Hanso Foundation site is "Missing Organs". Missing organs are a known issue in cloning.

3) Marvin Candle / Mark Wickman. The same person appears in both the Swan and Pearl station orientation videos, but calls himself by different names. However, in the Swan video, Candle is missing his right arm. Again, deformaties and missing limbs / organs are one of the issues of cloning.

4) Locke can walk, Rose no longer has cancer, Jin is no longer impotent, etc. Could the island have cured them? Possibly. However, if the Locke, Rose and Jin that are on the island *are* clones, then they wouldn't have those medical issues.

5) The memory interconnections. Clones wouldn't have the memories of their originals. So these memories would have to be implanted (e.g., Total Recall). However, the program has either glitches or is purposefully implanting memories of the other Losties. There are far too many interconnections for this to be a coincidence. It would also explain why some of the Others / Dharma researchers are appearing in these memories (after the season finale, you will see further proof of this).

6)
Spoiler:
This may be the most telling thing of all: Flight 815 LANDED in Los Angeles! See for yourself at Oceanicair's website"

Who was on the plane? It was a combination of clones and originals. The original Claire is still on the Island; the Others needed baby Aaron. Likewise, the original Locke, still paralyzed, is on the plane that landed in Los Angeles.

Josh H 05-11-06 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
It does seem unlikely, but there's really no other way to interpret that comment on the map.

Have to keep in mind that he was a well trained runner though, maybe a world class marathon runner or something.

Still unlikely, but that does make it more plausible.

VHS? 05-11-06 05:19 PM

I was all for the clone theory for some time now.The only issue I had with it was the memory issue.But having read that and the 'Total Recall' reference, it makes sense to think it is very possible.
I was also going for a 'Matrix' theme but there were to many holes in that theory.

lukewarmwater 05-11-06 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by DVD Josh
That is now my #1 theory:

Theory: Primary Dharma Research Project - Cloning

I am convinced that cloning is a major part of Dharma and LOST. Here are the clues that lead me to this theory:

1) Gary Troup's book "Bad Twin". Gary Troup was on Oceanic 815. He was the author of the manuscript Sawyer is reading. That book is titled "Bad Twin" - a reference to cloning. Even more telling, from the book's description - "Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike".

2) One of the passwords given to us by Persephone on the Hanso Foundation site is "Missing Organs". Missing organs are a known issue in cloning.

3) Marvin Candle / Mark Wickman. The same person appears in both the Swan and Pearl station orientation videos, but calls himself by different names. However, in the Swan video, Candle is missing his right arm. Again, deformaties and missing limbs / organs are one of the issues of cloning.

4) Locke can walk, Rose no longer has cancer, Jin is no longer impotent, etc. Could the island have cured them? Possibly. However, if the Locke, Rose and Jin that are on the island *are* clones, then they wouldn't have those medical issues.

5) The memory interconnections. Clones wouldn't have the memories of their originals. So these memories would have to be implanted (e.g., Total Recall). However, the program has either glitches or is purposefully implanting memories of the other Losties. There are far too many interconnections for this to be a coincidence. It would also explain why some of the Others / Dharma researchers are appearing in these memories (after the season finale, you will see further proof of this).

6)
Spoiler:
This may be the most telling thing of all: Flight 815 LANDED in Los Angeles! See for yourself at Oceanicair's website"

Who was on the plane? It was a combination of clones and originals. The original Claire is still on the Island; the Others needed baby Aaron. Likewise, the original Locke, still paralyzed, is on the plane that landed in Los Angeles.

This makes sense. and since the others might be two groups it could be group 1 is clones, group 2 originals.

It could also explain why some characters are considered good and some bad. They took the clones.

It also explains why jack saw his dad, eko his brother. They're bodies landed on the island, they could have made clones of them.

Damn, this makes more sense then all of the other theories. I think you guys figured it out.


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