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Groucho 03-23-06 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by scoot95
According to Fox.com...next week is "music" from the 21st century.

fixed

DRG 03-23-06 02:29 PM

Chris will be in heaven with that theme.

And last night Paula did that thing I hate... they bring out the bottom three and she shakes her head in disgust as if to say "America got it wrong". Whenever she does that I want to scream, "Well, which three do you think SHOULD be in the bottom?" Surely not her beloved Ace. I mean, someone has to be there.

raven56706 03-23-06 02:52 PM

Ace needs to go

prp2 03-23-06 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by DRG
And last night Paula did that thing I hate... they bring out the bottom three and she shakes her head in disgust as if to say "America got it wrong". Whenever she does that I want to scream, "Well, which three do you think SHOULD be in the bottom?" Surely not her beloved Ace. I mean, someone has to be there.

Seriously! I was pretty sure I even saw her wipe away a tear.

RockStrongo 03-23-06 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by DRG
Surely not her beloved Ace. I mean, someone has to be there.

Yeah, I heard that they have to pay to have her seat cleaned each week.

awmurray 03-23-06 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by crazypetedotcom
Seriously! I was pretty sure I even saw her wipe away a tear.

Have you noticed that with about 1 exception, Paula hasn't had one negative thing to say to any contestant?

Seacrest is always on Simon's ass for only criticizing, but never having any "constructive criticism". The irony is that Paula never gives any constructive criticism either... she just fawns over everyone. And that is actually much worse than what Simon does.

How many people have we seen at the auditions who said, "everyone I know says I sound great". They needed a Simon, but they are surrounded by Paulas.

Also, I think they got it right on last night. Chickenhead and Buckey were the two I'd have picked to go. Ace would have been right there next to them, too.

Chickenhead must have found the casting couch to get as far as he did.

RockStrongo 03-23-06 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by awmurray
Ace would have been right there next to them, too.

Ace looks like he wants to be crucified while he is singing....its getting old.

Iron_Giant 03-23-06 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by Charlie Goose
Which pretty much guarantees that I won't recognize at least 8 of the 10 songs to be sung. :|

Same here, not music has been made since 1984.

General Zod 03-23-06 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by awmurray
Have you noticed that with about 1 exception, Paula hasn't had one negative thing to say to any contestant?

Seacrest is always on Simon's ass for only criticizing, but never having any "constructive criticism". The irony is that Paula never gives any constructive criticism either... she just fawns over everyone. And that is actually much worse than what Simon does.

Well I think Ryan's job on the show is to be the contestant's buddy and keep cheering them on. So naturally Ryan is going to act like he loves Paula because if the contestant walked on stage and farted twinkle twinle little star we all know Paula will love it. Ryan likes Randy too because Randy says good and bad things and at the end really says nothing so there's nothing to be upset about there. The only one who really will let the contestant have it is Simon. He's the only one who will say "Wow, that was terrible" so Ryan's job at that point is to smirk and redicule Simon in an attempt to make the contestant feel a little better that they did a crappy job.

al_bundy 03-23-06 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by awmurray
Have you noticed that with about 1 exception, Paula hasn't had one negative thing to say to any contestant?

Seacrest is always on Simon's ass for only criticizing, but never having any "constructive criticism". The irony is that Paula never gives any constructive criticism either... she just fawns over everyone. And that is actually much worse than what Simon does.

How many people have we seen at the auditions who said, "everyone I know says I sound great". They needed a Simon, but they are surrounded by Paulas.

Also, I think they got it right on last night. Chickenhead and Buckey were the two I'd have picked to go. Ace would have been right there next to them, too.

Chickenhead must have found the casting couch to get as far as he did.


I think it's a woman thing. Martha Stewart said it so nice when she fired people on her Apprentice. She appologized that there was no place in her company for whoever.

moocher 03-23-06 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Gil Jawetz
As for Kellie, I've always thought that she wasn't really faking but honestly, the "ballsy" comment completely flipped it for me. That was a total line. Feh.

Yeah, me too. I wouln't say that flipped it for me but it was the final confirmation. The last few weeks it has become more and more obvious. I hate to admit that because it was more fun believing it was real.

Iron_Giant 03-26-06 12:36 AM


Originally Posted by Gil Jawetz
Nah. Live have no songwriting rights to it even though the reconfigured it for their purposes. It's a Cash property and whatever Chris did with it would have been fine. I don't know why they didn't mention it, however. Again, Chris didn't really hide anything but the judges did seem unaware of the Live version, just as they seemed unaware of the RHCs, even though Chris did specifically point that one out.

I love Taylor (and only vote for him), but I have to give Chris a break on this one.

I watch my recorded AI from last Tuesday and wrote down the quotes:

Taylor: "Walk the line, by Jonny Cash"
"A very different version"
"As much as I respect Jonny Cash's creativity, we are going to try something different tonight...(this is where the edit could have taken place, you can here Chris taking a breath like he was going to add to his statement)"

Barry M: "Chris knocked me out. Ah, that was ah...I know Walk the line just like everyone else knows it, Jonny Cash's verision of walk the line. I never heard this rendetion of it...(This makes it seem like Chris' verision has already been recorded, Chris must have told Barry where this version/rendetion came from.)"

Ryan S: Talk to the Little Girl (who was really cute) before Chris Sings
"Alright he has done it again, a classic with a twist, singing I Walk the Line, put your hands together for Chris D"

Chris Sings

Randy: "Let me say this I don't know if this was the best vocals you have done since you have been on the show, but what I loved about this is you took a song that everyone knows, you put a different sing on it, made it an alternitive record that fit exactly who you are and I love every week that you know exactly who you are and you never vere from that path. (Paula says Amen, Amen)

Paula: "You are so true to how you are and you don't ever abandon that...(Randy says, "He real Paula") you should be touring and we should be buying tickets"

Simon: "I agree with Randy...take a great song, make it your own version, it was completly the opposite to what I hated about Bucky's version of OH Boy...1st artist to refuse to compromise, for that a round of applause."

So I say that Chris did not give the impression that it was his own verion of the song, but AI/Judges sure did.

Maybe we should give Chris a break on this one.

Jadzia 03-26-06 01:12 AM

My problem with Chris is that he did it TWO WEEKS IN A ROW.

If he wanted to be taken seriously as an "artist" and not an American Idol hack, why doesn't he use the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Live's renditions as inspiration to show him how he can re-work a song in his style?

Ok, Live did that with "Walk the Line". Why not take another Cash song and do something similar? All the American Idols work with the band and rehearse the week before the show. He should come in and say, ok I want to this song but I want to slow it down and sing it a little more intensely here, etc." I would just respect him a little more if he used some genuine creativity and brought his own stamp to a song rather than just doing a karaoke impression of another cover.

Chris makes JD Fortune look like a musical genius.

TyroneJordan 03-26-06 02:09 AM

Remember, Ryan interacts with the contestants a lot and becomes their friend. He naturally has some bias when it comes to Simon's criticism.

Boot 03-26-06 10:17 AM

I really have to wonder how much of an opportunity these singers have to completely make a song their own. Seems to me it would take A LOT of time to entirely recreate a song in the singer's own vision. If he had his own band, sure, but this band has to work with all contestants, so the time the band has with each singer must be pretty limited. I am willing to bet that the singers have a narrow window in what they are able to change.

Patman 03-26-06 10:37 AM

Yeah, I don't think it's a big deal, they are all doing covers in one form or another, and with the limited amount of time (since it was 11 contestants all fighting for setup/training time).

Deftones 03-26-06 12:28 PM

After watching this past week's show, I've come to the realization that I'd F Kellie Pickler, marry Katherine McPhee and kill Paris.

Tommy Ceez 03-26-06 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jadzia
If he wanted to be taken seriously as an "artist" and not an American Idol hack, why doesn't he use the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Live's renditions as inspiration to show him how he can re-work a song in his style?
.

He did...Chris' WALK THE LINE is MUCH harder than Live's version

Tommy Ceez 03-26-06 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Patman
Yeah, I don't think it's a big deal, they are all doing covers in one form or another, and with the limited amount of time (since it was 11 contestants all fighting for setup/training time).

Someone said that they are doing 16 hour days
They have 6 days to prepare
There was 11 of them

16*6/11 = 8.73 hours to work with the band

Lets see you arrange your own song and practice the hell out of it in 8 hours

tasha99 03-26-06 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Boot
I really have to wonder how much of an opportunity these singers have to completely make a song their own. Seems to me it would take A LOT of time to entirely recreate a song in the singer's own vision. If he had his own band, sure, but this band has to work with all contestants, so the time the band has with each singer must be pretty limited. I am willing to bet that the singers have a narrow window in what they are able to change.


I agree, although on Rockstar INXS, contestants did that all the time. They also had to come up with an original song or two. (One of the many reasons that show was more interesting than AI).

This is a different contest though, and I can't fault Chris for covering covers any more than I can fault another contestant for covering originals. It makes the praise he gets for it odd, but it doesn't make him, in my eyes, really any different from any other contestant.


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