OldBoy

those two characters have been just awful on the show. at least McGill got his for now, but what President in their right mind orders the death of 100's of people in a mall and ok's the assassination of a Russian president and his wife and won't do anything when he knows his own wife is with them????

it is absurd that a smart show such as "24" would make such enormous errors in such a character. i actually fast forward all his scenes because i just can't stand him and the fact that the leader of the free world would make such decisions.

who's with me??

Chauzer

both annoying, but makes the show good

das Monkey

IMO, Logan and McGill aren't much different from the countless terrible characters in other seasons of 24. If you are going to watch this show, you have to accept that it isn't logical, the plots are silly, CTU is incompetent, and most of the supporting characters are useless and annoying and make idiotic decisions just to push the plot. This isn't a new development. The show has been like this since episode #14. You simply accept these axioms and enjoy it for the mindless entertainment that it is. I'm not sure how I see that the actions of characters this season are any worse than previous ones. It is what it is. Hell, at this point, it's more a part of the formula than the 24-hour concept.

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Jericho

Of course Logan is always been like that. Is he supposed to be that Dan Quayle of TV (provided that Quayle ever would have ascended to the presidency)?

Jadzia

He's the president, in residence, he's kind of charge, he's got the whole world saying "That's My Logan!"

brainee

I love to hate characters like President Logan and Lynn McGill. Is it so hard to believe that someone like Logan could be POTUS? After all, he wasn't elected, but took over from Vice-POTUS after the elected President was incapacitated. He's the kind of guy who's a career politician from the upper class -- doesn't like making waves, surrounded by yes-men, used to getting his way, comfortable in that there's always someone either higher or lower the political food-chain to take the blame for things (or to shirk off responsibility to). He might even be a decent #2, but finds himself way over his head suddenly forced to be #1. And forced into a pressure situation, finds all his character flaws rising to the surface. In "24", his best intelligence gives him this choice: allow 100 people (and later the Russian president and wife) to die, or risk a million dying. Sure, we know that Jack Bauer always saves the day, but Logan doesn't know that. Is it that unreasonable to see a man taking the path Logan did?

I think the Logan character makes for interesting tv, and is a nice contrast with David Palmer. And like McGill, he might have his public downfall coming -- which would be great to watch. Logan is giving off a kind of Nixon-vibe (general shiftiness, the praying). Part of the story is that he's trying to set himself up to win the next election, and wants to come across as good as possible -- even if it means some dodgy moral and legal choices.

PacMan2006

I really don't mind those characters. I thought it was WAY past due for someone to come into CTU trying to shut down all this "hush hush, work behind the scenes for Jack" nonsense. That, and the fact that there always seems to be a mole.

As for Logan, I actually like his character. I like the fact that he isn't a President who always has the right answer and always knows what to say. I'd like to think that if similar situations went down in real life, the POTUS would be truly befuddled with the tough choices he'd have to make. He's human.

I have more problems with silly characters like Chloe or Edgar, or that the show is too formulaic in each approach to get from point A to point B every single season (i.e, Jack goes undercover, Jack threatens somebody, Jack has to knock out/harm a fellow agent to get what he needs, the terrorists ALWAYS want to talk to Jack on the phone, etc.) It's the same thing over and over.

OldBoy

i dunno. i like smart shows with smart characters. for the most part this show has it, but i don't dig buffonery in serious shows that this is supposed to be. even characters that you "love to hate" in some shows i watch i enjoy because they are not without some appealing factor that makes them hateable. these two characters i just don't enjoy to hate them.

devilshalo

Sorry, but 24 is about the furthest thing from that. You should be watching the Shield instead.

garmonbozia

I think its great to see a completely terrible President on a tv show. I find it extremely entertaining. If anything it mirrors the last 5 years of our existence.

As for Lynn, well of course we hate him, but let's face it....He's a realistic character. In real life, superiors in a government agency would not put up with what he was not putting up with. (okay, he was also starting to lose it a bit also...) We just don't like to see people go against Jack and Friends because he's written as the hero of the show.

huzefa

I think these guys are 2 pretty good actors to be able to inspire such hate in dvdtalkers. I don't like what their characters do on the show because it totally messes up the investigation, but isn't that part of the plot?

Chrisedge

Thanks for the new sig!

garmonbozia

lol, you're very welcome.

onebyone

I totally agree with this. President Logan is a terrible thing to the country on 24, but he is a great thing for the show.

Legolas

Lynn's stupidity and general incompetence is nothing new in 24, but it does seem to be the cumulation of 24's godawful writing over the years when it comes to those stupid workplace squabbles that basically waste time on the show. Remember Driscoll's stupid subplot with her deranged daughter? Or when Michelle fired someone in the middle of a crisis last year because the character asked for the raise Driscoll promised her?

Season four was pretty much a parody of 24, with all the torturing, the bad guys with the Rube Goldberg conspiracy, the plot twists just for the sake of having twists, and every stupid decision the characters made. Lynn is just an extension of that.

riley_dude

Not real crazy about them either. I guess you can say I Love to hate them. Logan is an idiot and I dont know which real president they are modeling after ( I have my theories) but they are doing a great job.
I havent liked Sean Astins portrayal at all. The way he pronounces his words makes him sound like a kid. Get rid of him.
I am liking the first Lady though. Jean Smart has been terrific.

Rogue588

waitaminnit..

24 is smart...?

Doughboy

I think Logan's been a solid addition to the show. He's the polar opposite of Palmer. He's nervous, uncertain of himself, unable to handle a crisis, and afraid to make any sort of important decision that could result in casualties. I also like Jean Smart as the First Lady.

OldBoy

uh...i am.
well, not all the characters are smart, but they are strong and likeable. characters like Jack, Tony, Curtis, Audrey, Edgar, i can even back Chloe for the most part. these two we are talking about just kill it for me. i'll still watch, but their parts i got to tune out. i am sorry!

TimeandTide

I can't stand the Logan character, but I love Gregory Itzen's portrayal of him. IMO, he's the best actor on the show. (Followed closely by Jean Smart.)

Astin just sucks, as does his character. BUT, all the more fun to watch his downfall.

Ranger

Sherry was worse than either of them.

nemein

Frankly at this point I think 24 is killing 24. The format of the show was novel when it first came out (for a continuing TV series atleast) but after 5 seasons it's wearing kind of thin quite frankly. Don't get me wrong I'm still enjoying the show and it's one of the few I actually try to watch every week, but if it didn't come back next season I wouldn't be too upset.

Jadzia

I'm getting tired of how the only person who has vital info suddenly dies or commits suicide. That has happened, what, 3 times already this season?

hahn

Sigh...I just wish we could fast forward real-life.

hahn

Psshhht, that's nothing. It's not 24 if it doesn't happen at least 10 more times before the season finale. Gotta learn to accept that reality if you're going to watch this show.