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Penn & Teller Bull****: "Holier Than Thou" 5/23/05

Old 05-25-05, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by das Monkey
One thing I couldn't help thinking when they were presenting all the "scholars" who had written negative books about the subject matter: these are the same types of authors P&T would crucify (pun intended) if they didn't agree with the opinion, but since they agreed with it, they took everything that was said *ahem* on faith. (Not that any of it's inaccurate, but I just couldn't help thinking that watching this episode)

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I can't speak for the others, but that's certainly not true of Christopher Hitchens who's not only a well-known author and social commentator, but P&T even provided a brief background on him concluding "we looooove Hitchens."
Old 05-26-05, 01:05 AM
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I watched this again tonight. I will say that this is one of the better for this season, but that isn't tough to do. Here were my thoughts on each....
1) Mother Theresa - Didn't surprise me, though I never looked up to her in any fashion. The "keeping people suffering" made perfect sense. I always though she benefited from an old frail face, and a good PR engine.
2) Ghandi - No surprise there either. I knew he was very race conscious though didn't really know he disliked blacks. The sex stuff made me laugh, but wasn't too surprising either. What's the point of having power if you can't give young girls enemas?
3) The Lama - I have always thought he was Bullshit. He obviously learned philosophy from Hallmark Greeting Cards, and never actually says anything. Always trite. And anyone so worshiped by the Holywood types, is either trying to get rid of their thetans, or on to some other Bullshit that they can wrap around without much thought. Good info on how it use to be in Tibet, however.

Maybe they just are going after stuff I have no interest in, but upcoming programs look good.

Here are subjects I would like to see......

1) Belief in UFOs. I can't think of too many other things that are Bullshit to this degree. No proof, no nothing. They seem to dislike the idea of "faith," well here is something that is nothing but. Crop circles would be an obvious tie in. And go ahead and get Bigfoot while you are there.

2) Farm subsidies. While there are lots of government programs they could do a show on, I think this one would amaze people. When the big programs hit, we had farmers get on the 10 year Conservation Recovery Program that just retired and sold off their equipment because they could retire early, and make more money doing nothing.

3) Nuclear Scare. The wackos love to scare people from the idea of ever having nuclear energy make a comeback in this country and it is one of the safest, cleanest, and most cost effective ways to produce energy. Naturally they could get into the bullshit surrounding Yucca while they are at it.

4) Indian Casinos. I have no problem with Indian casinos, but I know that part of the intent was to make money for the tribe. They ought to do a show that shows where the money actually goes, because it doesn't go to most Indians. There are actually a lot of Indian programs that they could cover in a show on this.

5) Islam. They have done Christianity quite a bit, and it would be nice to see them go over the roots of Islam, especially with all that is known about the type of person Mohammed was. Maybe they don't want a price on their heads.

6) Public education. I don't think it is bullshit, but I would like to see a show that deals with the Dept. of Education, the teacher's union, etc.

Anyway, eventually they will get back to some subjects that I care about.....I hope.

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Old 05-26-05, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
ome other Bullshit that they can wrap around without much thought. Good info on how it use to be in Tibet, however.

Maybe they just are going after stuff I have no interest in, but upcoming programs look good.

Here are subjects I would like to see......

1) Belief in UFOs. I can't think of too many other things that are Bullshit to this degree. No proof, no nothing. They seem to dislike the idea of "faith," well here is something that is nothing but. Crop circles would be an obvious tie in. And go ahead and get Bigfoot while you are there.
Didn't they do that one in the first season?
I seem to recall something about people who claimed to be abducted or somthing
Old 05-26-05, 05:19 AM
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I really liked this one. Never heard any of these stories, so they were quite illuminating. I loved the good/evil prop they used.
Yeah, I was ignorant to this stuff before too. Very interesting.

I really like that Hitchens guy. He seemed even more anti-bullshit than P&T. Have to check out some of his books.
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Old 05-26-05, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by kvrdave

Here are subjects I would like to see......

1) Belief in UFOs. I can't think of too many other things that are Bullshit to this degree. No proof, no nothing. They seem to dislike the idea of "faith," well here is something that is nothing but. Crop circles would be an obvious tie in. And go ahead and get Bigfoot while you are there.

2) Farm subsidies. While there are lots of government programs they could do a show on, I think this one would amaze people. When the big programs hit, we had farmers get on the 10 year Conservation Recovery Program that just retired and sold off their equipment because they could retire early, and make more money doing nothing.

3) Nuclear Scare. The wackos love to scare people from the idea of ever having nuclear energy make a comeback in this country and it is one of the safest, cleanest, and most cost effective ways to produce energy. Naturally they could get into the bullshit surrounding Yucca while they are at it.

4) Indian Casinos. I have no problem with Indian casinos, but I know that part of the intent was to make money for the tribe. They ought to do a show that shows where the money actually goes, because it doesn't go to most Indians. There are actually a lot of Indian programs that they could cover in a show on this.

5) Islam. They have done Christianity quite a bit, and it would be nice to see them go over the roots of Islam, especially with all that is known about the type of person Mohammed was. Maybe they don't want a price on their heads.

6) Public education. I don't think it is bullshit, but I would like to see a show that deals with the Dept. of Education, the teacher's union, etc.

Sounds like a John Stossel Give Me a Break list.
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Originally Posted by aktick
Now, now kids, let's not fight . I'm a God-loving Christian, and I have absolutely no problem with anybody who believes I'm a whacko because of it, and don't think they're whackos for not believing. We all know what they say opinions are like .
now see thats the out look most should have ,i for myself, have no religion whatsoever but i have freinds of a few different religions religions. what i mean is that even though people believe the way they live is according to there religion ,all people seem to have the same beliefs on how poeple should treat life and the earth itself in pretty much the same way.
i know i sound like a hippie but its true how many poeple saw that episode about the protesters that took it too far.
allthough my favourtie has to be the nostradamus episode ,especially that guy at the ends laugh...

.that.was.the.creepiest.laugh.ever.
Old 05-26-05, 08:38 PM
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I enjoyed the episode, but come on. Ok Penn & Teller, we know you think religion (especially Christianity) is a load of bullshit. Move on, it's ok, you don't need to try to squeeze that point in on every single show. I don't know what's going on this season, but it seems like they try to mention that at every chance they get, even when the episode doesn't even really have anything to do with religion or Christianity.
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Originally Posted by Richard Malloy
For my money, there aren't nearly enough "digs" at Christianity and religion in general. In this age of creeping medievalism and bounding superstition (I understand their refighting the Scopes Monkey Trial in Kansas), there need to be a few more voices calling "bullshit" on the bullshit.
Try reading any of hundreds of religion threads in these forums...

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