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nny 07-26-04 11:06 PM

Joe Schmo 2 7/26
 
Wow, the most shocking twist in a twist eviction in reality tv history! Hehe, I was thinking it was so lame that they saved Tim for last, since we would know Bryce was going. I guess they got me.

This show is so great. I loved the earpiece date.

chrisih8u 07-26-04 11:15 PM

Did they have to say what was said to them in the earpiece?

nny 07-26-04 11:47 PM

I don't think so. I'm not sure about TJ, but Cammy seems like the kind of person who would just say exactly what you told her to say and it worked great. I would've hated to be Piper and Austin.

Patman 07-27-04 12:06 AM

"Cruising" 7/26/04

Tonight's episode had me in tears. Joe Schmo 2's take on Cyrano de Bergerac/Roxanne was hi-larious. Cammy was really good in her role for that "event".

So Bryce is back, and still scary and off-kilter as ever. Additional viewings of "Porked and Beans" are always welcomed.

The eviction ceremony also had me in stitches as they switched it up, and had Austin give the men pearl necklaces, and Gerard was all-too-happy to accept from Austin. The shocker was that Tim got sent home...or did he....

chrisih8u 07-27-04 12:16 AM

I think this one is even better than the first Joe Schmo. I didnt have my hopes high at the beginning, but Im glad I decided to give it a try.

devilshalo 07-27-04 02:09 AM

A twist that's finally a twist. I think it was good that it happened, keeps it a lil bit more real. But we know Tim will be back.

IMRICKJAMES 07-27-04 02:51 AM

I had my doubts when I heard this show was coming back, but I like this season a lot more. Does anyone else feel, like me, that the reactions when they find out its real are going to be a lot better, and a lot more devastating. I mean the first season was just living in a house trying to get $$$, now this season is going to mess up their love life. A lot more emotional

lucasorion 07-27-04 07:10 AM


Originally posted by Patman
"Cruising" 7/26/04

Tonight's episode had me in tears. Joe Schmo 2's take on Cyrano de Bergerac/Roxanne was hi-larious. Cammy was really good in her role for that "event".

So Bryce is back, and still scary and off-kilter as ever.

I was surprised they didn't show Derek getting that lustful look on his face as she was pumping up those balloons - that's always funny.

For the Bryce comeback, I was hoping they would have it seem like Bryce was suddeny healthy and normal in front of everyone, but would show how crazy he still is when Tim was the only witness. Then when Tim brings it up to the other people in the house (besides Amanda, perhaps), they could say "Oh come on Tim, Bryce has really grown, he's doing so much better now" etc.

Red Dog 07-27-04 07:48 AM

The part with the gang feeding the dater lines in the earpiece had me rotfl. The lines that Gerald were feeding were particularly funny.

"Whoa - gear down big trucker, look at you, you little tank." :lol:


Then TJ telling Austin "I can probably reach places in her that you could never touch." rotfl


The staredown btwn Bryce and Montecore - :thumbsup:

atlantamoi 07-27-04 09:17 AM


Originally posted by Red Dog

The staredown btwn Bryce and Montecore - :thumbsup:

:)

Ben732 07-27-04 12:11 PM

Did anyone else catch what Tim said as he was leaving?

"Incase I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good night."

Just like in the Truman Show?

Patman 07-27-04 12:49 PM

Yes, Tim was quoting "The Truman Show". Then again, I think Tim figured it out a few days ago, but has been playing it up to the hilt (ergo the "I've got some pearl necklaces to give up upstairs" comment from last show).

atlantamoi 07-27-04 09:49 PM


Originally posted by Ben732
Did anyone else catch what Tim said as he was leaving?

"Incase I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good night."

Just like in the Truman Show?

Wow...good catch. That will suck if he has it figured out.

lucasorion 07-27-04 11:57 PM

Tim doesn't seem that sharp to me, nice guy, but not that sharp. He is fully immersed in this phony world they are creating, and it would take an almost intentional effort by the producers and actors to snap him out of it.

mgbfan 07-28-04 01:15 PM


Originally posted by Ben732
Did anyone else catch what Tim said as he was leaving?

"Incase I don't see you, good afternoon, good evening and good night."

Just like in the Truman Show?

Wow - that totally got by me. I didn't notice that at all.

I don't know ... if he said that, it's hard to believe he doesn't know. That'd be just way too big of a coincidence.

I've wondered before if maybe Tim has been in on it from the start and the producers are going to pull an end-around on the actors. Doesn't seem likely, but the thought has occured to me.

das Monkey 07-28-04 01:19 PM

Last season was really funny, but this year has been brilliant. The contact "In Memoriam" moments had me rolling. Great "twist" too. I love how they've found a way to keep people around and still "vote" them off. Last season we ran out of characters too quickly.

das

RoyalTea 07-28-04 01:30 PM


Originally posted by mgbfan
I've wondered before if maybe Tim has been in on it from the start and the producers are going to pull an end-around on the actors. Doesn't seem likely, but the thought has occured to me.
I just don't see how that would be at all interesting/funny.

Tim's quoting of the Truman Show makes it seem like he's figured things out.

The producers probably didn't want to rehash the same "does he know" tension because we've already seen it with Ingrid.

Big Boy Laroux 07-28-04 03:51 PM

tim is defnitely coming back next week, though, as indicated by the previews. it seems to me like the Truman Show reference indicates he knows what's going on... but you never know.

mgbfan 07-29-04 12:14 AM


Originally posted by Big Boy Laroux
tim is defnitely coming back next week, though, as indicated by the previews. it seems to me like the Truman Show reference indicates he knows what's going on... but you never know.
Could it be he figured it out when he walked in on the powwow with the actors? I mentioned a few shows ago that their little "interview" sessions seemed dangerous. Perhaps Tim walked in on a scene more impossible to recover from than we'd previously imagined. Maybe it was just a moment so obvious that there was just no longer any way for the facade to go on. Maybe they are really getting rid of him.

I believe he'll be back next week, don't get me wrong. But it's possible they blew it more than they let on. The Truman quote seems to suggest that maybe they did.

Groucho 07-29-04 12:21 AM


Originally posted by mgbfan
I've wondered before if maybe Tim has been in on it from the start and the producers are going to pull an end-around on the actors. Doesn't seem likely, but the thought has occured to me.
This theory was around for the last Joe Schmo as well, but I guarantee it's not going to happen. Tim is not "in on it."

Tradnor 07-29-04 12:47 AM


Originally posted by mgbfan
Could it be he figured it out when he walked in on the powwow with the actors? I mentioned a few shows ago that their little "interview" sessions seemed dangerous. Perhaps Tim walked in on a scene more impossible to recover from than we'd previously imagined.
This is definitely possible. Notice that every time Ingrid got suspicious, they showed us exactly what caused it. But when Tim walked in on the actors out of character, we didn't see it. They showed a jumbled montage of brief clips, with a voiceover explaining what happened. The fact that we saw clips at all proves there were cameras there to catch it, so why didn't they just show us the moment directly? The only reason I can think of is to deceive the audience.

kilcher 07-29-04 04:50 AM

I knew I had heard that quote before but couldn't place it. That kind of sucks if he's figured it out. He's really not that bright so I'm thinking it's what he walked in on. I guess we'll see.

I thought they were going to get rid of Tim and then bring him back next week after Bryce was disqualified for killing the hawk.

This season has been really good.

Judremy 07-30-04 01:51 PM

I think the plot is going to go something like this:

Bryce paid off Austin to vote off Tim. Tim will be let back on for Piper to make a vote-off and she'll get rid of TJ or Bryce.

RoyalTea 07-30-04 02:30 PM

http://schmoblog.spiketv.com/

The funniest thing on ‘Joe Schmo 2’ that did not make air was Derek playing pocket pool.

The second funniest thing was a cheated version of the scene in which Ingrid was told about the death of her grandfather.

Here’s how the cheated version played once we cut it together…

Derek read what was written on the falcon’s parchment and announced, ‘This is less of a twist and more of just… really terrible news. It seems that one of your grandfathers has passed away.’

Then he took a deep pause, stared down the contestants, and said, ‘Tim, it’s not you.’ And then, ‘Amanda, it’s not you.’ Derek proceeded to go from cast member to cast member, announcing ‘it’s not you,’ until only Ingrid and Gerald remained.

Then Derek said, ‘That leaves Ingrid… and Gerald. There are two of you… and only one dead grandfather.’ He paused, turned to camera, and announced, with all the gravity of a minister at a funeral, ‘When we return.’ And we tossed to a commercial.

After the commercial, Derek welcomed the audience back and finally announced that it was in fact Ingrid’s grandfather who had passed. Upon hearing this, Gerald brightened up and said ‘Yes!’, only to realize his bad manners, frown consolingly, and pat Ingrid on the shoulder: ‘I’m sorry for your loss.’ At last, a distraught Ingrid marched inside.

The scene was ridiculously sick and just as ridiculously funny, a jab at how exploitative and trashy many reality shows have become. Only one problem… we faked the whole thing! Originally, we wanted the scene to be shot just as I just described it above. Suddenly, we snapped out of it and decided that it would have been too cruel to Tim and Amanda. So we junked the concept.

Then John Moore (our writer/producer who came up with the idea) decided that we could probably manufacture a fake version of the entire scene. We decided to do just that. First, we shot the scene that you watched in the episode. Then, we sneaked Gerald, Ingrid, and Derek alone onto the patio to shoot the more outrageous version. Finally, we pieced the faux footage together with the actual moment.

Voila! It suddenly appeared as if Tim and Amanda had anxiously awaited word as to whose grandfather had died. I’ve never seen a piece of television much funnier.

Our biggest misgiving about airing the fake version was that it would undermine our credibility as producers. It’s ironic, considering that ‘Joe Schmo 2’ is a fake show, but we take pride in the fact that we don’t fake stuff. What I mean by that is, we don’t show the audience scenes that Joe and Jane were not privy to and pretend that they were. The whole point of the show is to put on a ridiculous stage-play in front of two real people, not off-stage somewhere. We felt queasy trying to trick our audience into thinking we’d tricked our marks. Am I explaining that alright?

We ultimately solved the problem by putting together an episode in which the false version played out first, followed immediately by an explanation by Derek Newcastle that we’d actually faked the entire thing. Derek finished this explanation by saying, ‘Let’s go back and watch what really happened…’

And we skipped back and showed the true scene.

Only one problem. The network decided that the entire business was too confusing and convoluted. We simply didn’t have the time or luxury to walk the audience through the process (the way I just did). And so, at long last, we went back to the true scene. We sacrificed comedy for clarity.

Someone on the internet pointed out that on the pre-commercial tease before the grandfather scene, we actually showed the moment where Derek says, ‘This is less of a twist and more of just really terrible news.’ That line was a remnant from the faux scene. We forgot to remove the tease!

If there is ever a DVD for 'Joe Schmo 2,' I will make sure the faked version ends up in the bonus materials. Trust me, it will be worth the wait!

Once again, how ironic is it that the most deceitful producers in television ended up telling the truth?! ;)
rotfl

das Monkey 07-30-04 02:40 PM

Oh, that is just brilliant. These guys are good.

das


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