DS9.. where are the Borg, Romulans, etc?
 

Okay, so I'm half way through Season 2 of Deep Space Nine on DVD and it's fairly interesting so far. Some great episodes here and there. I've noticed the Cardassians, Bajorans, Ferengi, Klingon's, Trills, even the Packleds here and there hanging around the Promenade. In the next few seasons of DS9 will there be any Borg, Romulans, Naussicans or other alien races that were in TNG?

The Romulans become important to the overall story arc in season 6. No Borg except for the pilot episode.

The Borg (post <I>TNG</i>) are reserved for talentless hacks with no original thought. Look for them all over <i>Voyager</i>.

das

That being the case, there's no reason for them to not appear in Enterprise.

Oh, wait.

Never mind.


(I wonder when Q will make an appearence?)

There will be quite a bit with the Romulans in the later seasons, especially once the war with the Dominion begins to heat up. One of my favorite episodes of DS9 has to do with Sisko attempting to deceive the Romulans to get them on the side of the Federation.

Yeah, I don't think it would really make sense for the Borg to be hanging around Quark's Bar playing Dabo. I've heard they are not all that sociable. :)

Since the Borg hails from the Delta Quadrant it makes more sense for them to be in Voyager. As DS9 is connected to the Gamma Quadrant via the wormhole, they developed brand-new aliens, which is much better, IMHO.

I could not believe it when the Borg showed up on Enterprise. That was just the most desperate thing I think the writers could have done.

See you say something like that now but there's still at least one more season for Enterprise writers to go dipping into the desperate well again.

And muggins is right, if you want Romulans, "By the Pale Moonlight" is by far one of the best DS9 episodes (I'd be willing to hop out on the limb and say it's one of the best Star Trek episodes ever as well).

Ditto, that was my favorite episode of that season.

das - what you said.

Is it true that Enterprise is done at the end of this season?

It's done, as far as I'm concerned.

Rumor Control has it that Paramount (the P in UP'n) wants to shorten this season by a couple, and go one more season so they can hit the magic 100 for syndication.

This, of course, is gonna give the writers incentive to do their best work ever. -ohbfrank-

part of the ratings problem with voyager and enterprise is that they are UPN only shows and there are still cable companies that do not carry upn. they should do what they did for tng, ds9 and the first (3?) seasons of voyager and make then able to been carried by any network

"Voyager" and UPN premiered on the same night. To my knowledge, "Voyager" went to syndication after the magic hundred.

As to "Enterprise" being shorted a couple eps, that doesn't bother me - it seems that all other episodic television is going between 18 to 24 episodes a year, rather than 26.

Nausicaans do show up now and then on "DS9" but aren't as integral to the series - in fact, the Nausicaans were never an important part of any series. Too bad, since they look like an interesting species.

And here's another vote for "In The Pale Moonlight" - when the Romulan official confronted Sisko just before the last commercial break before the resolution, I sucked all the air out of the room. Garak's last line of the episode was brilliant. Another great one along the interspecies politics line was season one's "Duet".

Duet was absolutely brilliant and some of Nana's best work.

WOW! Thanks for the plethora of responses guys, and gals! I totally understand now that the Borg on DS9 would be unoriginal and illogical, since they are from the Delta Quadrant. It's just that I've grown to love some of the alien races from TNG, and being that I'm just getting into DS9, I sort of wonder how those alien races would fare on DS9, interacting with the crew and all.

I look foward to seeing the Romulans in the series, as I continue watching them. Right now I'm in the middle of Season 2 and it's pretty interesting. I really think the Cardassians are cool (brutal, yes, but very interesting). "Duet" was probably one of the best Star Trek episodes I've ever seen. Although "Chain of Command I & II" from TNG are up there as one of my favorites.

I read a few reviews of DS9 season 3,4,5,6,7 (the seasons I haven't watched yet) and I guess there will be some very interesting enemies to come, more specifically the Jem Hadar. I was browsing Startrek.com and noticed a pic of a Jem Hadar and although I have yet to see an episode with them (until last ep of Season 2), they look COOL! Very menacing and evil! I'm very excited to continue the DS9 series and will order seasons 6 and 7 when I reach the end of Season 4 perhaps.

I love Enterprise :(

Oh DAVE - tell me you are joking?

This was the only episode I saw after the initial episode. What was the Domnion war about and how did it end?

-ohbfrank-

:lol: You're stupid. Going around ohbfranking me, ME??!?!

The Romulans will also play a key role in a piece of hardware introduced at the beginning of the next season. You'll start seeing them soon enough. ;)

Then again, I'm an original series fan. I liked The Next Generation. Didn't really watch DS9 that much (it always seemed like it was on at weird hours).

Voyager was boring and sucked. Enterprise is worse.

BWG - yes, so am I. Without which no other trek would be on. :) It's still waaaaaayyyy better than Voyager was and Enterprise could hope to be. And yes, that's saying a lot.

In western NY we got Voyager on the Buffalo Fox affiliate up until around the point that & came on then one of the local stations became a upn affiliate

-ohbfrank-

:lol:

I don't think Enterprise is anywhere near as bad as Voyager. I actually think it is much closer to TOS with the exception that they have a continuing story line for much of it.

I agree. It's a lot like <i>TOS</i>, except there's no vision, no heart, no message, no point. But other than that, it's pretty much the same show ... ya know, except for the continuing storyline thing.

das

That's that one thing that I wished DS9 touched more on. Even though they were part of the war, they never really got development. It would have been cool if they had had at least one recurring Romulan character, at least a military leader when they discussed operations with the Federation and Klingons.

ARGFGHGH!

I had just spent over an hour typing up essentially a concise, yet detailed summary of the entire Dominion war and the philosophy behind it...and I was on the very last line...and my freaking computer crashed.


I am insanely mad.

:mad: :mad: :mad:



I guess instead I'll just direct you to this Wikipedia page on it (though I don't think it is as good as what I had written):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_War

:mad:

So much time and effort...poof.

MvRojo - I know someone who worked on DS9 and constant interference from Paramount execs kept that show and TNG from ever becoming something more than it could have.

muggins, if it will make U feel better it took me a minute to type that sentence and over 5 minutes for my dial-up to bring me back to this thread.


Thanks for the link!

The reason I prefer the original series is because of the great chemistry of the cast. Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, even Sulu, Chekhov, and Uhura. The storylines varied widely but most were fairly interesting. The movies, in large part, were very good.

The Next Generation was a much more sterile environment. I like Picard, Worf, and Data, and but Riker, Troi, and to some extent Geordi never interested me as characters. Some of the storylines were excellent (especially early encounters with the Borg). Besides First Contact, most of the movies weren't spectacular.

Voyager also had that sterile feel. It had, for me, an unlikable cast and boring storylines.

Enterprise, despite being back in the heyday of space exploration, <i>still</i> feels sterile. Although I really liked Scott Bakula in Quantum Leap, I don't care for any of the characters in the series either.

The original series had heart, whereas the two most recent series don't. I think that's what's missing (and what is ultimately wrong with the Star Wars prequel trilogy, I might add) -- they were fine technically, but flawed emotionally.

Data was interesting because he was constantly striving to be human. Worf was the fish out of water. Spock was interesting because he was half human, and struggled with that. As with Tuvok, I don't think a fully Vulcan character can ever work in a series. McCoy was emotional, so he was the perfect counterbalance to Spock. Kirk had all the qualities of a good leader, but could also kick some ass. The decision to make Picard a fatherly type of captain was a good one for change, in contrast to Kirk's style. What is Janeway's leadership style? What is Archer's?

I do agree with the chemistry of TOS. The Big Three could laugh and joke around about things, and made you like their relationships. Archer is too much the "angst ridden" captain forced to use tactics he considers barbarian to get information he needs about the alien race bent on our destruction, etc. I do enjoy his relationship with T'Pol, however. I don't dig into the sexual frustration thing they seem to want to put into it, but they don't seem to bent on it character wise, anyway. She reminds me more of Spock in that she doesn't have complete control over her emotions, etc.

Trip could be a great character with him, but he is an obvious subordinate, where Spock and McCoy were closer to equals with the Captain.

Janeway just sucked, though.

I'm not saying it's the bee's knees, but I sure do enjoy it, and would hate to not have a Trek on TV.

Don't read too far ahead. You don't want to ruin the suprises. For example, I didn't know who the Jem Hadar, founders, vorta, etc were until I saw them on the show. If you read websites and reviews by people who have already seen the show, they tend to reflect spoiler based information.

By the time you are immessered in the war and get caught up in the mystery about "what will happen next", you'll forget about missing aspects of Nextgen (the borg). The cardassians have a clear place in the series, and grow as a collective "character", as well as seeing invididuals grow. The Jem Hadar's dynamic with the other races you will see them interacting with, was brilliant. If any race has similarities to the borg, its them...

Until you mentioned something, I didn't even think about the borg not being in the series (beyond the pilot). With everything that goes on in DS9, you didn't need the borg. Honestly, if I could go back and put the borg into the series, I wouldn't. The Romulans pop up in the perfect place, and as people here note, there is an episode with Sisko explaining events involving the romulans which was very well done.

Sit back an enjoy it and avoid spoilers as much as possible. Seriously avoid the temptation to have long term stories ruined for you. Want to know where Odo is from? Wait and see it on the series rather than looking it up online. They way its revieled on the show was another excellent piece of writing.