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Red Dog 12-18-03 10:18 AM

Note that with Replay or TIVO, you can watch a recorded program while it is recording something else.

twikoff 12-18-03 05:38 PM


Originally posted by breaux124
Yes and No. You can't use the Replay to record one thing and also use it to watch something else. But you can use the tuner in your TV too watch something else. How do you have the Replay hooked to your TV? (Coaxial cable or a video input)



You can't record more than one show, cause it only has one tuner. You can watch a previously recorded show, while another show is recording.

yea.. i figured i would just use the coax to watch another channel.. just wasnt sure if that was my only option, because it will require switching video sources.. no big deal

twikoff 12-18-03 06:05 PM

fatwallet thread is up to 100 pages so far :lol:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...797&lastpage=1

Venom 12-18-03 06:20 PM

with either replay tv or tivo, can to record on the fly and channel surf with it?

MEJHarrison 12-18-03 07:13 PM


Originally posted by Venom
with either replay tv or tivo, can to record on the fly and channel surf with it?
No. They only have one tuner. And a tuner can only be tuned to a single station. To do what you're asking, you have two options. First, you can record the show you want on the DVR and than bypass the DVR to watch straight TV (like if you had the TV connected to an antenna or second cable line). Or with DirectTiVo, you get two tuners which would let you record from one tuner while you channel surf on the other tuner.

Having said that, I still agree with everyone else. Once you get used to the DVR, the need for channel surfing goes away. Why search for something interesting, when you have things you know you want to watch already recorded and sitting there?

And having said that, if it's an option at all, go with the DirecTiVo. Worth every penny. I hear people talking about how TiVo's or the like have changed the way they watch TV. And I can understand that. But if I ever had to give up my DirecTiVo and downgrade to a regular TiVo, it would just be too much to handle. I'd have to replace it with two seperate TiVo boxes.

breaux124 12-18-03 07:13 PM


Originally posted by twikoff
yea.. i figured i would just use the coax to watch another channel.. just wasnt sure if that was my only option, because it will require switching video sources.. no big deal
One little trick: If you're using the coax from the replay to the coax of the TV, you can turn the power off on the replay while it's recording. The replay will continue to record, and then you can use the TV remote to watch whatever you want. It works just like a VCR where it will still pass through the signal, it just depends on what device is tuning.

Venom 12-18-03 09:03 PM


Originally posted by MEJHarrison
No. They only have one tuner. And a tuner can only be tuned to a single station. To do what you're asking, you have two options. First, you can record the show you want on the DVR and than bypass the DVR to watch straight TV (like if you had the TV connected to an antenna or second cable line). Or with DirectTiVo, you get two tuners which would let you record from one tuner while you channel surf on the other tuner.


i think i did a poor job of explaining what i meant. if this makes it more clear, can i record my channel surfing? this is kinda brought on by the qvc ladder fall... if i had tivo on and was recording and i switched channels by mistake and aught that fall, would the tivo or replaytv have captured it?

Dr_Evil 12-18-03 10:12 PM

With the replay it will delete the file of the channel you were watching and start a new file for the channel you switch to. So channel surfing isn't really recommended because it is slower then on your tv due to the unit starting a new video segment everytime you switch channels. So the answer to your question is no, the replay will not allow you to surf and record multiple channels into one file. But if you were to surf to qvc and catch the ladder fall, until you switch channels, it will be saved and replayable.

I don't know how a Tivo works.

abintra 12-18-03 11:38 PM

My sister called me today asking about one of these thinking I would know about them, I don't. She mentioned she was interested in one of the combo Tivo type players that also was a dvd recorder and asked if that allows you to burn tv shows to dvd. It doesn't does it?

twikoff 12-19-03 05:57 AM

ok.. a BIG QUESTION!
if I set it to record a sporting event
does it setup to record over a specific time period?

if the game goes into 47 overtimes or 90 extra innings.. will it continue to record until the end of the game
or do I end up with a worthless recording that doesnt include the end?

Chew 12-19-03 06:06 AM


Originally posted by twikoff
ok.. a BIG QUESTION!
if I set it to record a sporting event
does it setup to record over a specific time period?

if the game goes into 47 overtimes or 90 extra innings.. will it continue to record until the end of the game
or do I end up with a worthless recording that doesnt include the end?

It'll only record for as long as the game is scheduled. If it goes over, you're out of luck. Which is why I always add on an hour or so to my sports recordings.

Chew 12-19-03 06:09 AM


Originally posted by abintra
My sister called me today asking about one of these thinking I would know about them, I don't. She mentioned she was interested in one of the combo Tivo type players that also was a dvd recorder and asked if that allows you to burn tv shows to dvd. It doesn't does it?
Why yes, yes it does.

http://www.pioneerburner.com/

abintra 12-19-03 10:34 AM


Originally posted by Chew
Why yes, yes it does.

http://www.pioneerburner.com/

Thanks. Shows you what I know about these things. I thought it was illegal to burn copyrighted tv/movies.

Passing along the info as I think that is the one she asked about.

Darq 12-19-03 11:28 AM


Originally posted by Venom
i think i did a poor job of explaining what i meant. if this makes it more clear, can i record my channel surfing? this is kinda brought on by the qvc ladder fall... if i had tivo on and was recording and i switched channels by mistake and aught that fall, would the tivo or replaytv have captured it?
Depends on your setup. If you are actually using your ReplayTV's (or TiVo's) internal tuner, then as mentioned above, when you "surf" by changing channels, the buffer is erased. Or if you had an actual recording set for this specific time to record the internal tuner, it shouldn't even let you change the channel, or at least prompt you before it does...

HOWEVER, if you have your ReplayTV/TiVo set up with your CABLE BOX feeding into your it, then you probably have an IR blaster hooked up so your machine can control the cable box. The output of that cable box is then recorded -- no matter what it is (hopefully your DVR has automatically sent the correct IR signals to the cable box so that it's recording the correct show). Later, if you end up changing the channel on the CABLE BOX ITSELF, they ReplayTV/TiVo will have no idea that you did that... it will just keep on recording.. including the channel surfing, the "informational banners", etc -- whatever shows up on the cable box itself gets recorded by your DVR.

Does that help?

twikoff 12-19-03 12:35 PM

the fatwallet thread discussing the latest replaytv deal is now up to 132 pages.. and growing faster than i can hit refresh :eek:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...hreadid=254797

Venom 12-19-03 01:58 PM


Originally posted by Darq
Does that help?

thank you, yes it does.

twikoff 12-20-03 11:43 AM

well.. now that Ive got the rtv up and running.. and assuming i dont end up getting deactivated and have to return it

i guess i can continue with the questions?

what quality do you normally record at? standard, medium, or high? whats really the difference?

I guess I need to start getting show ideas for stuff that I normally dont watch because of conflicting or odd times :eek:

I stopped and grabbed a 4 way catv splitter.. so now its split to the cable modem, rtv, and tv.. so I can watch other channels while its recording..

also.. for my setup..

I have a kenwood receiver.. the receiver is hooked to the tv with s-video and rca audio.. into the receiver is my dvdplayer (using s video and digital coax) and my xbox (using s-video and rca audio).. and Ill probably put my dreamcast back on the receiver (s-video and rca)

now, I also want to get my computer hooked back to the system.. but not going to bother with that right now..

my replaytv is using rca audio/video and going into the tv directly in vid source2

now.. Im also thinking about hooking my *cough*vcr*cough* back up.. whats the best way to do that? coax from wall to vcr, coax from vcr to tv.. and rca from rtv out to vcr in (in case i want to take something to a friends house that doesnt have a rtv, and I dont want to deal with making a dvd-r or vcd of it)?

also.. should I go ahead and leave the rtv and receiver on a seperate channel going into the tv.. or combine them? the tv only has 1 svideo input, and the receiver is using it now...

would I gain anything by using the inputs on the rtv for the vcr, dvd player, or xbox?

Red Dog 12-20-03 11:58 AM

I'll answer a few of those questions.

I have both of my Replays set up on Medium recording level. That should work just fine. If you are recording sports, you probably want to use High given how much movement there is on the screen.

Re: VCR. I have my VCR hooked up 2 ways. I have a coax going in and also A/V from the Replay (if I want to dump something from Replay to VCR).

Replays have copy-protect, so hooking a DVD player to it is probably pointless.

breaux124 12-20-03 06:05 PM


Originally posted by Red Dog
I have both of my Replays set up on Medium recording level. That should work just fine. If you are recording sports, you probably want to use High given how much movement there is on the screen.
I record almost everything in Medium. If you plan on using DV Archive and pulling the shows onto your PC, Medium is within all DVD specs, so you can burn right to disc without re-encoding anything.

If you record sports, learn to Pad your recordings. I usually add an extra 40 minutes to the end of games.

Darq 12-21-03 10:01 AM

I record mostly everything in low quality, mostly because i record too many damn things that i don't have a chance to watch... and that's AFTER upgrading the hard drive to 120GB or 200GB.

But if you ever plan on using DVArchive to move your shows to your PC, keep in mind that a 1 hour show will use up roughly 1GB on your PC also... and even more space if you record at medium or high.

As far as your setup goes... I agree with you about the VCR. Hook the coax (that normally goes to the TV) into the VCR. Then you can have the VCR coax output go to the TV -- saving you one extra "split". Then, hook the ReplayTV rca outputs to the VCR input so you can move shows to videotape if necessary.

I'd assume you plan on using your ReplayTV a lot. So perhaps you want to hook that into your receiver instead of something else (will you use the Dreamcast or the ReplayTV more often?)

Regarding your last question: "would I gain anything by using the inputs on the rtv for the vcr, dvd player, or xbox?". As mentioned earlier, a dvd player to the Replay won't really work. Also, since the ReplayTV is delayed a bit (as it encodes the video source), it won't make much sense to connect your xbox to it either... due to the delay, your reaction time will be too slow! Personally, i DO connect my VCR output to my ReplayTV -- if a friend gives me a video tape of something i missed, i use that connection to move the show BACK from video tape to ReplayTV -- allowing me to return the tape back to my friend immediately!

Anyways.. hope everything works out with the pricing snafu.. making you into a ReplayTV convert!

vivarey 12-21-03 02:31 PM

The BEST comparison guide/review I've seen:

ReplayTV vs. TiVo

vivarey 12-21-03 02:41 PM

I'll also add this one, too, since I incorrectly thought it must have been mentioned by now:

http://www.pvrcompare.com

And from the site:


Summary

Tivo offers better control over what gets recorded, making it better for time shifting than ReplayTV is:

* To-do list and recording history show what will and won't be recorded;
* Better conflict handling;
* Multiple user settable priorities;
* More search options;
* Better actor, director and description data for searching;
* Ability to ignore repeat airings of most shows and better recognition of reruns reduces wasted disk space and recording time and allows optimal use of shows with repeated airings.
* Tivo Central Online allows same-day remote scheduling requests, although at additional cost.
* Multi room viewing performs better than ReplayTVs streaming, especially with slow networks or wireless.

ReplayTV appears more focused on things you can do with shows once they're recorded than on being able to control what gets recorded to begin with. If your recording load is light, you're not picky about search capabilities, or you're just more interested in easily moving and manipulating video than in recording it, ReplayTV offers some things Tivo doesn't:

* Better picture quality which may be noticeable on larger TVs and TVs with progressive component inputs;
* Ability to watch shows from any other compatible ReplayTV on your home network (ReplayTV 4500 and 5000 models are not currently compatible with each other);
* Commercial advance eliminates many commercials, and quickskip and jumping are better for skipping boring guests on talk shows;
* Scheduling shows across networked ReplayTVs can help deal with scheduling conflicts and balance disk usage across multiple 5000 series recorders;
* Share shows over the Internet with compatible ReplayTVs if you have broadband (again, ReplayTV 4500 and 5000 models are not currently compatible with each other);
* Categories and renaming recordings can make it easier to organize large collections of shows;
* Show channel day & time restrictions control multiply aired shows that lack the guide data Tivo's first run & 28 day no-repeat features require;
* MyReplayTV remote management can be useful for frequent travellers who need greater remote control more than same-day remote scheduling;
* Cleaner user interface.

twikoff 12-21-03 03:59 PM


Originally posted by Darq

I'd assume you plan on using your ReplayTV a lot. So perhaps you want to hook that into your receiver instead of something else (will you use the Dreamcast or the ReplayTV more often?)

Regarding your last question: "would I gain anything by using the inputs on the rtv for the vcr, dvd player, or xbox?". As mentioned earlier, a dvd player to the Replay won't really work. Also, since the ReplayTV is delayed a bit (as it encodes the video source), it won't make much sense to connect your xbox to it either... due to the delay, your reaction time will be too slow! Personally, i DO connect my VCR output to my ReplayTV -- if a friend gives me a video tape of something i missed, i use that connection to move the show BACK from video tape to ReplayTV -- allowing me to return the tape back to my friend immediately!

Anyways.. hope everything works out with the pricing snafu.. making you into a ReplayTV convert!

actually.. i have plenty of open connections on my receiver.. so I dont have to chose one or the other.. was just deciding if its best to hook the rtv up to the receiver... I think Ill probably hook up that way later.. ill need to pick up another svideo cable first

the reason i considered adding my xbox.. i didnt figure their would be a lag straight up playing it.. and was trying to decide if the idea of it caching my game, so I could pause the game (through the xbox) and look back over my last couple moves.. might be helpful in some situations ;)

twikoff 12-22-03 06:03 AM


Originally posted by twikoff
fatwallet thread is up to 100 pages so far :lol:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/mess...797&lastpage=1

202 pages and growing now -eek-

twikoff 12-25-03 07:55 PM


Originally posted by twikoff
202 pages and growing now -eek-
250 pages, 4993 replies, 52,234 views

thats just plain silly

:lol:


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