View Poll Results: Who will win American Idol this year?
Ruben
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Clay
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I don't give a crap, I don't watch.
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Who do you think will win the 2nd American Idol this year?
05-22-03, 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
What I noticed was how carefree the the final 3 contestants were last night since the competition part was over, and it showed in their performances. They all had nothing to lose at that point anymore, and they were just singing very freely. I dug that.
What I noticed was how carefree the the final 3 contestants were last night since the competition part was over, and it showed in their performances. They all had nothing to lose at that point anymore, and they were just singing very freely. I dug that.
When I was watching the vote spread was 13,000 then corrected to 1,300 (drunken accountant comment). Has it been corrected again to 130,000???
Probably the best part of the whole show was Simon's dream.
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05-22-03, 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by icondude
When I was watching the vote spread was 13,000 then corrected to 1,300 (drunken accountant comment). Has it been corrected again to 130,000???
When I was watching the vote spread was 13,000 then corrected to 1,300 (drunken accountant comment). Has it been corrected again to 130,000???
Anyways, Seacrest DID "correct" it to 1,300 but the correct difference was about 130,000 votes
Ruben: 50.28% of 24 million = 12,067,200 votes
Clay: 49.72% of 24 million = 11,932,800 votes
12067200 - 11932800 = 134,400 vote difference
(130,000 vote difference is MUCH more believable to me than when i first heard "1,300 votes", making me think the voting was a complete sham)
05-22-03, 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by icondude
I think it's because all three knew that they were all getting record contracts irregardless of who won. It was implied last night the both Reuben and Clay would have CD's out at some future point in time.
I think it's because all three knew that they were all getting record contracts irregardless of who won. It was implied last night the both Reuben and Clay would have CD's out at some future point in time.
Clay & Ruben will both have CD singles released in mid-June. This is what Seacrest was referring to when he talkked about CD sales being the real competition.
05-22-03, 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
Too bad the monetary prize is an all-or-nothing deal. Even if Clay gets the recording contract, I think he really deserves some compensation for the tough challenge he was able to mount against Simon's favorite.
Anyone think Simon was relieved that Ruben came out on top?
Too bad the monetary prize is an all-or-nothing deal. Even if Clay gets the recording contract, I think he really deserves some compensation for the tough challenge he was able to mount against Simon's favorite.
Anyone think Simon was relieved that Ruben came out on top?
Clay and Ruben should thank their lucky stars that this show exists because they probably wouldn't get a second glance by record execs. They may have the voice but they don't fit the "look" of a typical pop star.
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05-22-03, 09:08 AM
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05-22-03, 09:40 AM
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Oh sure, NOW everyone is jumping on the Julia bandwagon! 
Where were you guys when she needed you?
Lovely Julia, don't listen to these traitors. I'm the only one that truly loves you
Oh dear God, look at those
No! Wait Julia! I didn't mean to 
...dammit! No, don't go!
Where were you guys when she needed you?Lovely Julia, don't listen to these traitors. I'm the only one that truly loves you
Oh dear God, look at those
No! Wait Julia! I didn't mean to ...dammit! No, don't go!
05-22-03, 10:16 AM
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Don't forget that people had at least THREE hours to vote in the final show. They added an extra hour, which would account for the 24 million plus votes...
05-22-03, 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by big whoppa
Being Simon's favorite was seen as a double-edged sword. Last year, that girl, Christina Christian was complaining that she lost mainly because Simon liked her.
Being Simon's favorite was seen as a double-edged sword. Last year, that girl, Christina Christian was complaining that she lost mainly because Simon liked her.
05-22-03, 10:59 AM
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Recount anyone?
http://drudgereport.com/idol1.htm
http://drudgereport.com/idol1.htm
IDOL host Seacrest added to the confusion by announcing conflicting margins and votes throughout the evening. Seacrest moved from a 1,335 vote difference to a 50.28 per cent score for winner Ruben Studdard, putting him at about 134,000 votes ahead of Clay Aiken.
Seacrest announced a 13,000 vote difference in the first hour of the program, 1,335 votes when he revealed the decision. Finally, after the show, producers revealed a 134,000 margin!
News organizations on the morning after the night before were quoting various final totals.
FOX will launch an internal review of what led to the voter tally confusion, a FOX source told the DRUDGE REPORT.
"As far as we are concerned, the votes are not in dispute," said the insider. "We are looking at how the bad math got on the air."
Seacrest announced a 13,000 vote difference in the first hour of the program, 1,335 votes when he revealed the decision. Finally, after the show, producers revealed a 134,000 margin!
News organizations on the morning after the night before were quoting various final totals.
FOX will launch an internal review of what led to the voter tally confusion, a FOX source told the DRUDGE REPORT.
"As far as we are concerned, the votes are not in dispute," said the insider. "We are looking at how the bad math got on the air."
05-22-03, 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by GuessWho
Clive Davis has already signed both to contracts.
Clay & Ruben will both have CD singles released in mid-June. This is what Seacrest was referring to when he talkked about CD sales being the real competition.
Clive Davis has already signed both to contracts.
Clay & Ruben will both have CD singles released in mid-June. This is what Seacrest was referring to when he talkked about CD sales being the real competition.
"The winner of American Idol Season 2 will have his CD-single released on June 03, 2003. The runner-up will have his CD-single released on June 10, 2003."
Also Clive Davis did say that they both have contracts and he said that they are both in the process of recording their albums. The CD singles have already been recorded. And it is their albums that will be released on the same day.
05-22-03, 11:39 AM
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honestly, why did it matter who won???? both are getting contracts and both will be in the public eye for the next year (unfortunately).
as for ruben, (i don't watch much of the show and missed all of this week's but) he's NOT much of an entertainer (don't get me wrong, he DOES have a great voice) but he just stands around and sings. when i have seen him perform he just doesn't seem to have much passion about it. whereas clay does. it seems he always sang from the bottom of his heart (but it is difficult to hear him talk
(and i'm from arkansas originally).
i also think it's very hypocritical of the judges in how they've handled this 2nd season. they have actually tried to sway the vote and in doing so have not let the audience decide on their own which is what they always preached in the beginning. i think they were afraid to let the audience decide completely b/c then they're fav wouldn't have won. simon is the one who has to work with them later and i think he decides who he wants it to be and then goes from there. i think the decision was made when ruben was put into the bottom 2 that one night. the way the "judges" responded was inappropriate and told the voting public who should be the american "idol" in the end.
as for ruben, (i don't watch much of the show and missed all of this week's but) he's NOT much of an entertainer (don't get me wrong, he DOES have a great voice) but he just stands around and sings. when i have seen him perform he just doesn't seem to have much passion about it. whereas clay does. it seems he always sang from the bottom of his heart (but it is difficult to hear him talk
(and i'm from arkansas originally). i also think it's very hypocritical of the judges in how they've handled this 2nd season. they have actually tried to sway the vote and in doing so have not let the audience decide on their own which is what they always preached in the beginning. i think they were afraid to let the audience decide completely b/c then they're fav wouldn't have won. simon is the one who has to work with them later and i think he decides who he wants it to be and then goes from there. i think the decision was made when ruben was put into the bottom 2 that one night. the way the "judges" responded was inappropriate and told the voting public who should be the american "idol" in the end.
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05-22-03, 11:42 AM
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I really wanted Clay to win because I thought his voice was amazing.
I liked Ruben as well, but he doesn't have quite the same range. Clay can hit the highs and lows without effort.
Both seemed to have pleasant personalities, which is a rarity for these talent competitions.
The big winner is the public, however. Thankfully radio will be getting a few atypical looking popstars with talent. Normally it is the other way around. Enough with the crossover hip hop that has been flooding the airwaves the past few years. I'm ready for the second coming of Rick Astley and Luther Vandross.
What's fascinating is that everyone, including myself, got wrapped up in the compeition as if it were the Superbowl or Oscars (or even to a larger degree). I actually felt sad for Clay. What's that all about? Both are getting huge exposure and probably the same recording contract. One has the "American Idol" title, and one does not. In the grand scheme it's probably no big deal. However, I hope that Ruben doesn't get a super-huge promotional push in comparison to Clay, because they are equally deserving and they are going after two different target markets.
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I liked Ruben as well, but he doesn't have quite the same range. Clay can hit the highs and lows without effort.
Both seemed to have pleasant personalities, which is a rarity for these talent competitions.
The big winner is the public, however. Thankfully radio will be getting a few atypical looking popstars with talent. Normally it is the other way around. Enough with the crossover hip hop that has been flooding the airwaves the past few years. I'm ready for the second coming of Rick Astley and Luther Vandross.
What's fascinating is that everyone, including myself, got wrapped up in the compeition as if it were the Superbowl or Oscars (or even to a larger degree). I actually felt sad for Clay. What's that all about? Both are getting huge exposure and probably the same recording contract. One has the "American Idol" title, and one does not. In the grand scheme it's probably no big deal. However, I hope that Ruben doesn't get a super-huge promotional push in comparison to Clay, because they are equally deserving and they are going after two different target markets.
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05-22-03, 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by hgar78
i also think it's very hypocritical of the judges in how they've handled this 2nd season. they have actually tried to sway the vote and in doing so have not let the audience decide on their own which is what they always preached in the beginning. i think they were afraid to let the audience decide completely b/c then they're fav wouldn't have won. simon is the one who has to work with them later and i think he decides who he wants it to be and then goes from there. i think the decision was made when ruben was put into the bottom 2 that one night. the way the "judges" responded was inappropriate and told the voting public who should be the american "idol" in the end.
i also think it's very hypocritical of the judges in how they've handled this 2nd season. they have actually tried to sway the vote and in doing so have not let the audience decide on their own which is what they always preached in the beginning. i think they were afraid to let the audience decide completely b/c then they're fav wouldn't have won. simon is the one who has to work with them later and i think he decides who he wants it to be and then goes from there. i think the decision was made when ruben was put into the bottom 2 that one night. the way the "judges" responded was inappropriate and told the voting public who should be the american "idol" in the end.
05-22-03, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by GuessWho
Clive Davis has already signed both to contracts.
Clay & Ruben will both have CD singles released in mid-June. This is what Seacrest was referring to when he talkked about CD sales being the real competition.
Clive Davis has already signed both to contracts.
Clay & Ruben will both have CD singles released in mid-June. This is what Seacrest was referring to when he talkked about CD sales being the real competition.
05-22-03, 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by Big Quasimodo
P.S. Not to go off on my rant of last year, but really, while both were good singers, neither one of these guys is remotely "Idol" material.
P.S. Not to go off on my rant of last year, but really, while both were good singers, neither one of these guys is remotely "Idol" material.
I think a lot of screaming teens for both Rebun and Clay would disagree with you.
But Simon was right Clay's look had improved a lot over the months
05-22-03, 12:03 PM
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they have actually tried to sway the vote and in doing so have not let the audience decide on their own which is what they always preached in the beginning.
they have actually tried to sway the vote and in doing so have not let the audience decide on their own which is what they always preached in the beginning.
05-22-03, 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by GuessWho
If they didn't influence the vote then they're pointless, useless, and shouldn't even be on the show once the audience-voting kicks in.
If they didn't influence the vote then they're pointless, useless, and shouldn't even be on the show once the audience-voting kicks in.
05-22-03, 01:01 PM
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I think the AI2 contestants will be used just as a fast and easy cash cow. They aren't considered by RCA Records as long-time record artists, while Kelly, Tamyra and Justin from last year are taking all their time to record and promote their albums, in the long run they will be the true winners IMO
05-22-03, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by blakader
I think a lot of screaming teens for both Rebun and Clay would disagree with you.
But Simon was right Clay's look had improved a lot over the months
I think a lot of screaming teens for both Rebun and Clay would disagree with you.
But Simon was right Clay's look had improved a lot over the months
WTF is wrong with THAT picture?
05-22-03, 02:03 PM
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honestly, why did it matter who won???? both are getting contracts and both will be in the public eye for the next year (unfortunately).
honestly, why did it matter who won???? both are getting contracts and both will be in the public eye for the next year (unfortunately).
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Originally posted by icondude
Just out of curiosity, I didn't watch the first AI. Were the top two as good as Reuben and Clay?
Just out of curiosity, I didn't watch the first AI. Were the top two as good as Reuben and Clay?
From a purely vocal perspective, I would rank Kelly Clarkson and Clay Aiken above Ruben and Justin.
