tasha99

I thought the episode was okay, but had some problems. I didn't like the ending--why was Spike down there? It seemed like the only reason he was hiding in the shadows was so he could witness the Buffy/Angel reunion.

tasha

JNielsen

Well, that really depends on what W&H gave him to help Buffy.

Chew

Agreed. He might of been pointless to the storyline for this episode, but will likely be important to unlocking the mystery of the "mystic ax" with the W&H object.

Patman

So, I take it that no one on the show has an axe to grind?

Draven

They did actually explain that. He was anemic (and short ) so it wasn't enough blood.

I wonder if they will explain who left the talisman in the bathroom that summoned the zombies in the first episode this season.

C Roberts

I had an odd thought.

What if a slayer using the scythe to kill Caleb was done on purpose by The First? What if that is like a requirement for the First to take form (in Caleb's body possibly). I mean Buffy could have just made a blood sacrifice using an artifact.

Meatpants

I dismissed that explanation because it was so silly. So all they needed to open the seal was a couple gallons of human blood? Couldn't the Bringers have just grabbed some people off the street and sliced em open? Why go through the trouble of talking Andrew into killing Jonathan?

Jlbkwrm

At one point, it seemed like it had something to do with the special ceremonial knife Andrew picked up in Mexico. Since Andrew was already in Mexico, and pretty weak-willed, he was as good a choice as any to pick it up for the First. Once he had it, he might as well be the one to activate the seal. Since crying on the seal seemed to reverse whatever Jonathan's blood had done, it seemed like Jonathan dying was never supposed to open the seal. It just made it so that other people bleeding people on the seal could open it.

Of course, since Buffy has the knife needed to reactivate the seal, all the ubervamps running around town no longer makes sense.

On a different note...

Am I the only one who didn't think Buffy killed Caleb? The wound didn't look that bad, and there was no kind of 'fleeing of the First's power' CGI to let us know he's dead. I figured he'd either passed out or was faking dead, so that he can regroup.

And I actually thought this

Rogue588

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Originally posted by tasha99
I thought the episode was okay, but had some problems. I didn't like the ending--why was Spike down there? It seemed like the only reason he was hiding in the shadows was so he could witness the Buffy/Angel reunion.

I'm sure it was the First's idea of a mental mind f*** for everybody's favourite soulful vamp Spike...

Patman

We all know that to "kill" a baddie, you have to decapitate it, or stake it.

rfduncan

Which is EXACTLY what I was expecting Angel to say to Buffy right after the kiss, "Better decapitate Caleb to be sure."

Dr. DVD

I think the Spike/Angel/Buffy love triangle conflict will have to play out next year on Angel with Buffy absent.

About the series finale:

Patman

Which is pretty lame, eh?

C Roberts

This is actually answered in the preview for next weeks episode.

Jlbkwrm

Which, in turn, begs the question:

C Roberts

I have a feeling there will be many unanswered questions after the series is over. But in a way that's fine because it'll give us fans stuff to debate and rant about for years to come.

Draven

Do not attempt to apply logic to Season 7. It will only make Baby Jesus cry.

Dvdsky

I always avoid the previews for the upcoming episodes in case of spoilers, and it sounds like that was a good idea last week if they gave away the Angel bit.

On the other hand, that did me no good, since they had David B's credit at the very beginning in the "guest starring" section, which ruined the whole surprise. They keep doing that, which I've always thought Buffy would avoid, so the surprises really were surprises. Earlier in the season when Buffy & Dawn's mom showed up in the house to warn Dawn, she had the special guest star credit at the very beginning, so the whole episode you know she'll be putting in an appearance somehow.

Patman

It was cool last season when Giles showed up episode #21, and they DIDN'T list ASH as a guest star, which made his grand entrance all the more smashing with a dash of "Hell Yeah!" added to it.

Mourn

I disliked this episode. Just like with the rest of this season, I didn't buy it. As others have mentioned, Angel's appearence and lines were totally out of character and frankly pretty bad.

Nothing really makes sense or fits with my conception of the characters. For me, at least, there has been no continuity what-so-ever this season. I mean Buffy's friends turn on her in the last episode and this episode as soon as she walks in the door everyone is buddy-buddy like nothing happend. Buffy and Faith's make up session seemed equally lame. It. Doesn't. Work. The character development and the plot, to me, seems incoherent and inconsistent throughout this entire season.

dstrauss

That's not under their control. "Guest starring" credits are apparently determined by all sorts of SAG regulations.


Uh, because he's alive and he could? (Insert your own lavicious comment here.)

Brian_92gsr

As demonstrated with Tony Head last season, the guest star credit can be put just prior to the end credits, instead of following the opening credits. I think if they wanted to keep it a secret they could have. I try pretty hard to avoid any spoilers, and even I knew he has going to appear, so I don't think it would have come as surprise to very many people here (although I didn't notice his name in the opening credits, and forgot he was even supposed to appear up until that final fight with Caleb).

Meatpants

Last night's WW finale featured a big-name guest star, and I don't think his name was in the opening credits. His appearance near the end was kept a surprise.

Patman

My gut tells me, after seing Dawn take control of the "kidnapped by Xander" situation that (totally my idle speculation, so unspoil the text only if you are in a speculating mood)

Pointyskull

Interesting theory, Patman.

Except (more idle speculation):


As much as I love the show, I hope Joss really ENDS it - and doesn't leave it too vague or open-ended.