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Old 04-29-03, 07:18 AM
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24 04/29/03

Episode: 4:00-5:00AM

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Jack, Tony and Michelle strive to prove the invalidity of the Cyprus tape in time to prevent a war. Palmer butts in on the secret meeting, Jack and Kate corner the hooligans, and Kim reenters the picture.


Crap, Kim's back
Old 04-29-03, 08:15 AM
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Recap:

Okay, we're in the home stretch.

Mike's duplicity is in full swing. The VP is going for the jugular to wrestle Palmer's Presidency away from him.

Can Jack get the chip from the redneck in Kate's house in time?

Will Lynn live?

Where is Sherrie?

Where is Nina?

Where is Kim? (Okay, no more mountain lion sightings, please )

Will Chappelle boot Tony to the curb if Tony keeps on playing on Jack's side?
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gathered from the priview from last week (possilbe spoilers, but events may be twisted in some way)
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Kim kills somebody or at least attempts to, Palmer has somebody arrested (possibly either the vice president or Mike, wife killer dad is back,
Old 04-29-03, 03:03 PM
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24 4/29/03

Alright episode.
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Most of the episode focuses on the President and the board of directors. The Vice President brings in Roger Stanton and that reporter to help his case against the president. Jack gets the tape back and sends the info off it to CTU. It turns out the tape is damaged and they can't get the audio off it. They see a hacker signature on it. Jack finds the hacker's name and goes to his house, but when he gets there guess who shows up? Sherry. Kim also calls Jack this episode and says the police are taking her back to the people's house she lived with to get her stuff. Pretty obvious who she kills in an upcoming episode. The president is removed from duty and the vice president is sworn in.
Old 04-29-03, 03:06 PM
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Only a couple of shows left. Not as good as season one, but still in the top five dramas overall, IMO.
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This season has been a little more uneven than last season - while the Story is better overall arc'd, it's had a lot more crap episodes (for instance, the episodes immediately after the nuke, and about 3 or 4 during the beginning of the series).

That said, these last 3 episodes have been really damn entertaining.

What other show can make a presidential conference room so damn atmospheric? heh.

-Rich
Old 04-29-03, 10:32 PM
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Palmer should just say "**** you!" and start laying down the law. Arrest each and every person who even looks at him sideways. That'll show them!
Old 04-29-03, 10:38 PM
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I have a feeling the sympathetic Secret Service guy and a few of his well-armed friends may be helping the Prez out in the next couple of hours.
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Good episode, except one thing.

Last time we saw Kim: "We know you didn't do it, we're looking for the dad right now."

Kim: "Daddy, I love you! I've been kidnapped like 26 times in 2 days. I'm just heading over to evil dad's house right now. What's that you say? No, they haven't caught him yet, but there's no way he would ever be AT HIS HOUSE."

I was when she said that.

Well, that and the general absurdity of the removal from office.
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wouldnt jack being killed and all that provide some proof to the cabinet? he could have atleast mentioned it
Old 04-29-03, 11:19 PM
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good episode tonight..am i the only one who thinks the season may end on some kind of cliffhanger?
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I thought it was ok with a great last 5 minutes. The Palmer situation should be interesting and I can't wait to see how Sherry is involves with the hacker.

I was waiting for Palmer to start bitch slapping Mike.
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I love this show very dearly and I believe that the last 3 episodes will probably redeem the absurdity of this season.

Tonights episode was pretty good--I'm just glad that Kim was pretty non-existent. However, the complete and total absurdity of the whole Presidential coup is ridiculous. In no way would there be a strike this quickly against any country if something of this magnitude happened. There would be congressional hearings, a major investigation would be conducted, and so forth. Secondly, if there was to be a coup like this there would be major repercussions. The vice-president would be summoned to a major inquisition, and heads would roll. The vice-president would most likely be jailed, as would everybody who conspired against the President.
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they still might if Jack and Palmer turn out to be right. However, if they are in power and it looks like Palmer was wrong and willing to risk American lives and we're basically in WWIII then Congress might overlook the stuff. I think the storyline is pretty good. However, I dont think Palmer did nearly enough to prove his case. He could have called a lot of people in there as witnesses and stuff
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The Vice Prez only needed a majority vote tonight, I thought the law was a 2/3rds vote. But then again I'm a Communications student, not a law student . . . what do I know?
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PalmerJoss, how can you know exactly what would happen if a nuclear weapon went off which apparently originated from the 2nd largest city in the United States? This isn't a plane flying into a building here, this is a threat that could have destroyed an entire city--we're talking millions and millions of people. True, there is procedure and protocol, but in the most extreme of situations, is exact procedure going to be followed? Probably not.

As for this episode, I thought it was terrific. It certainly didn't have the action of previous episodes, but it certainly had oodles of suspense--the final cliffhanger was great too.

Question: Who doctored the tape of the torture? Who leaked it? Mike? It goes to figure that if he leaked the tape to the VP, then he probably edited it, thus dooming him even further.
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Good storyline so far was it just me or was the Cabinet meeting had a tense atmosphere? Hopefully Jack will get his hands on the person who designed that chip I wonder how Sherrie fits into all of this? And that VP gets his but I have to wonder if the repercussions from this incident will carry onto next season?
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$#!+. I missed this episode because the local channel that broadcast it has major problems with their antenna. Anybody taped it?
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Neat!

A Coup d'Etat. Who says this show isn't realistic?
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The Vice Pres and and Chapelle were both willing to wait to find out if Jack's evidence panned out. That leads me to believe that they aren't part of the conspiracy that is behind the bomb. I think we may have at least 2 or 3 seperate groups of conspiring. You got the arabs who brought the bomb into the country in the first place, you got some government and business leaders who knew about the bomb and were willing to allow it to blow up in order to force palmer to go to war against the 3 unamed countries, and then a third group, led by the Vice Pres, to remove Palmer from power because of his indecisiveness.

Or it could just be bad writing.
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Gotta love the big shocking ending scene with Sherrie in the hacker's apartment.

Mike's gonna fry once this is all over.
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Originally posted by Mittman
The Vice Prez only needed a majority vote tonight, I thought the law was a 2/3rds vote. But then again I'm a Communications student, not a law student . . . what do I know?
The 25th Amendment of the Constitution

Section 1
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
Sounds like only a majority is needed. But, doesn't seem like they remembered to transmit a written declaration to the President Pro Tem and Speaker.

That's how Palmer will regain power! Due to a technicality!
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Originally posted by CCGoldRush
PalmerJoss, how can you know exactly what would happen if a nuclear weapon went off which apparently originated from the 2nd largest city in the United States? This isn't a plane flying into a building here, this is a threat that could have destroyed an entire city--we're talking millions and millions of people. True, there is procedure and protocol, but in the most extreme of situations, is exact procedure going to be followed? Probably not.
None of us can know what would happen if a nuclear bomb went off on nuclear soil, and hopefully none of us will ever have to find out. But if it did happen, the first thing to happen would be an investigation--and keep in mind that only Congress can issue a declaration of war, and they will only do so with unrefutable evidence. If there is evidence to the contrary(as there is in 24)the government is obligated to find out just who is responsible. And if it ever came out that a bomb was exploded just so some businessmen could increase the value of their oil stock, there would be chaos that I could not even imagine.

As for extreme situations, I agree that exact procedure probably will not be followed. However, as a citizen I would expect procedure to be followed in just such a case. I think that anything less would be totally irresponsible.
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Great episode. The tension and atmosphere in that conference room was just great. Who knew a bunch of politicians sitting around a room talking could be so interesting. Some of those looks Palmer gave the Mike and the VP were just insane - please let him bitch slap a couple people before the season is over!

I agree with shaggybrown, there are a couple different conspiracies going on here and CTU has a mole going in almost all of them. Whta's up with Chappell calling the VP instead of the president? Is there a nice cabinet position waiting for him once the VP is in power? But remember, he wasn't all that keen on giving Jack any help in the beginning so he might have his hands in more than one conspiracy. I'm inclined to believe the writers set all this up and it isn't just bad writing.
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I can't wait to see the look on Palmer's face when he finds out that Sherrie is the one who masterminded this conspiracy. Let the Bitch Slapping commence.

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