Help Save Firefly
 

Hi,
well FOX is at it again. They have a quality show in danger of getting axed because its in the Friday 8e/7c graveyard timeslot. FIREFLY is Joss Whedon's sci-fi/western hybrid show and it gets better every week. If you've never checked it out, please do so and if you have a spare 30 seconds or so please take the time and sign the petition. It may not help but it can't hurt. Here is the link. Thanks.

http://www.savefirefly.com/

You'll have better luck saving <I>Firefly</I> if you don't imply that <I>Dark Angel</I> was a "quality show." ;)

But I'll do what I can.

das

I agree in helping if shows are worth saving but it seems like lately that people want to save every show that is cancelled.
Farscape deserves to be saved but for the life of me, I just dont think firefly was that good.

signed it. There is a new episode tonight as well, cant wait!!!

I happen to agree with you basic point but disagree about FIREFLY. If you based your opinion on the first episode of the series, I'd give you that. Seems the show was into production when FOX decided they wanted something with more action to open the series up so Whedon was forced to write a new pilot in a couple of days. Plus, it can't help that FOX has been showing the show out of order. Still, the show has always been well written and I think its gotten better with each episode. Some shows need time to settle in and I think FIREFLY is one of them. There has been talk of moving the show to Thursday night and maybe that will help. Still, any other help would be great. I really don't watch a lot of TV and I'm always sad when stuff I do like gets the plug pulled too early. For the record....I'm sorry that I might have made an implication that DARK ANGEL was a quality show in that time period.
Thanks again folks.

I signed it because although the show has not "wowed" me yet, I can see it's potential. Joss has this amazing ability to create some really interesting characters and they are interesting early on in development. I like his work and his storytelling.

I agree that Farscape should be saved as well, as it is also quality TV.

And yet, through it all, crap like Enterprise is still on.

Hi Guys,
buzzing around and I found another online petition that is getting a lot more play than the first one I posted. Spread the love people. Here is the link.

http://www.petitiononline.com/firefly1/petition.html

Thanks again.

Signed both. Don't watch the show but I don't mind helping out. :up:

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth elektra •<HR SIZE=1>I signed it because although the show has not "wowed" me yet, I can see it's potential.<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100%. I'm not on board just yet (and to be fair, I have a backlog on my TiVo), but I see the potential and think it's not only worthy of remaining on the schedule, but <I>more</I> worthy than a lot of other shows clouding the airwaves.

Best of luck to you, <B>Nathan</B>.

das

Signed it, happy to see there's a new episode tonight too.

I'm glad people are enjoying this, but I bailed after 3 episodes. It's just too much of a western for my taste.

I see potential (although, in fairness, I see potential in a lot of shows), but this just didn't deliver for me. Too bad, it was basically the only new show I was looking forward to this year.

I don't know if it will do any good, but i signed.

Signed the new one too.

das - you really do have a knack for seeing the quality in shows. I don't always agree with you, but I respect your views and like to "hear" what you have to say about stuff.

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth elektra •<HR SIZE=1>das - you really do have a knack for seeing the quality in shows. I don't always agree with you, but I respect your views and like to "hear" what you have to say about stuff. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

:D Right back at you, and I'm not just saying that to be polite (I mean, come on ... when am I ever polite? :))

das

Isaac Jaffe: "If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people; and if you're smart, then surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you."

das - :) You? Polite? Uhhh, yea, all the time! ;)

I signed both petitons. Good Luck!

thanks to everyone who has signed and everyone who hopefully will sign. Its a show like any other that needed time to find its sea legs and some balance. Still, rotten timeslot. The have never had a real hit there. Remember 10 years ago when the hot show at 8e/7c was going to be Brisco County and the show that was going to gone by midseason was X-Files? Ever since that spot is a graveyard. Kind of makes sense though. You start with a crappy slot, you don't advertise and you take a series that has a definite plan about how it wants to introduce the series and its characters and the network programmers throw that all to the side and show everything out of order. Its almost like a blueprint for how to cancel a series without ever having to shoulder the blame. <sigh>...anyway...lets hope this rumour to Thursday nights are true. If it fails there maybe it could replace Tremors on Sci-Fi when it goes the way of the doo doo.
Thanks again
oh one more thing....quick question....I posted this on another DVD message board under the TV section and I was promptly banned for posted spam. Does anyone here think that a plea to sign a petition counts as spam?

not necessarily spam but you obviously just joined this forum to get your precious show saved. Although I don't think you should be banned, I really wish i hadnt wasted my time reading this thread

Titles are usually a pretty clear indicator of what the thread is about. It's our choice as to whether or not we wish to read them.

I don't consider this spam at all, for this or any other show. If it's a show I'm not interested in or a topic I don't care for, I don't read the thread.

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth elektra •<HR SIZE=1>If it's a show I'm not interested in or a topic I don't care for, I don't read the thread. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's amazing how difficult this is for some.

das

I wish you hadn't wasted my time by posting that.

I signed the petition, but I also took the time to write a personal note to FOX as [email protected]. Here's hoping someone actually reads it. I would encourage others to do the same.

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I wanted to take a moment and let you all know how worried I am about the possible cancellation of "Firefly." This was inspired by the recent airing of "War Stories," another quality episode of this freshman show.

I understand the viewers haven't been there every week. I understand that FOX is a company, with responsibilities to its shareholders. This is a business, and viewers=advertising dollars=profit. I understand all of the logistics involved with making a television show profitable.

However, positive responses to this show among the Internet community have grown each week. I would ask you to check out sites like www.dvdtalk.com, www.aintitcoolnews.com, and www.televisionwithoutpity.com to see the outpouring of support for this show.

The schedule has been confusing, the episodes have been aired out of order, and viewers are hard to come by on Friday nights. But people are enjoying the show. They are taping it and TIVOing it, then discussing it at length afterwards. They might not be Nielsen families, but they are out there. They are invested in the characters and the stories, and are eager to see what the future holds.

FOX has had a run of shows Friday evenings that met with cancellation. Sometimes, that cancellation may have been premature, because a few of those shows had glimmerings of something great. Nothing can be done about that now. But something CAN be done about "Firefly" and I hope you will give the show a chance, at least for a full season, to find it's audience and ultimately prove profitable to your company.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Christian Unser

I'll admit to joining this forum to try and drum up support but since yesterday I've spent quite a bit of time here and have found the level of posting to be good natured & intelligent up until your response. Still, you saw the thread and you ventured here of your own free will. Seems to me you could have saved yourself the time to simply jump to another thread instead of wasting your time to write a hostile response. Yes, I do like the show and think it deserves a chance to continue. I also believe in putting my money where my mouth is. These petitions may not do any good but at least an effort was made.
Have a good one rocket. To everyone else, thanks for pitching in.

A 100,000 name on-line petition and 5 bucks will get you a cup of coffee at Starbuks. In case you miss the sarcasm, on-line petitions are utterly WORTHLESS.

Is there a petition to ask Fox to remove FireFly from it's lineup?

I'd sign that one.

This thread is clearly marked as a thread about keeping the show "Firefly" on the air. If you're not interested in the topic, you shouldn't have clicked on the thread. If you clicked on this thread in error, please move on to the next thread instead of informing us of the worthlessness of online petitions or dumping on the show.

Welcome to the forum, Nathan!

P.S. das, you score ten points for the Sports Night quote.

Thanks Static Cling. Appreciate you taking care of our little Troll problem.

Thanks for the welcome.

(Edited to add this link I just found with Google. It was well-written enough that I thought it should go to the top-- http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.htm )

My comment, for one, wasn't meant as a troll, but as a simple statement of fact.

Think about the logic behind ALL on-line petitions for ANY purpose, and the purpose a company chooses for discontinuing ANY product or service.

An on-line petition may make fans feel like they are "doing something" but it will never do anything more than that. Period. REAL petitions work when they represent distinct individuals who can vote against or for a candidate and cause real change in government, or possibly those who can force changes with the threat of a class-action suit. But THOSE are petitions where a 3rd party checks every name and verifies that it belongs to a single real person-- no multiple signers, no fake names. Those petitions don't "count" until the names are verified.

You simply cannot do that on-line. Any nitwit can make up 50 names for himself, sign those to the poll, and claim to be 50 different people. And FOX knows this. Plus, people can sign "just to be nice" because it DOES take virtually no effort, virtually no risk, and virtually no commitment to do so (as people on this very thread have stated that they would do). FOX knows this.

So, you put the time and effort into this poll, and in the end, what will you have? A list of names that may or may not be somewhat representative of a similar number or real people, who may or may not care about the issue at hand, and may or may not actually WATCH the show, AND BUY THE PRODUCTS ADVERTIZED ON THE SHOW-- because for networks, programming exists ONLY as filler between the commercials for the products, the selling of which commercials generate the profits for the network. Give it to FOX and they'll know that at least a few people liked the show they plan on canceling. But if the show was profitable enough for them, they wouldn't be thinking of canceling it in the first place, and keeping a money-losing show on the air just to please this list of some unknowable number of people with an unknowable level of commitment is NOT going to suddenly make a unprofitable show hemmoraging viewers suddenly be well watched or profitable.

If you want this petition to be taken seriously, you MUST give your name, physical address, and telephone number so that your signing can be verified, AND, if you want to REALLY show that you actually care about the issue and aren't signing it just because you were asked, there should be some charge for signing it. Say, $25. THEN give that to FOX. Show them that all the people on this list care enough about the show to make themselves open to contact by FOX and that they are willing to put their money where their mouths are.

You say that not many people would be willing to give all of their personal info and PAY to sign a petition? Well, you've just made my case for me.

Darren...you raise a number of good points and I think I've stated a couple of times that the petition, all on its own probably does little good but the thing for me is what it does in increasing awareness for something, in this case, Firefly. What the show needs now is viewers and since FOX has scheduled the show in their graveyard slot and done little in the way of advertising since its premiere its my hope that if a petition like this can gather enough signatures and pick up some steam, hopefully this can generate some degree of buzz which translates into people willing to seek the show out while there is still time. So in my way, I'm trying to put my money where my mouth is by doing something and trying to raise the profile of the show. If that is naive on my part is certainly debateable but it is what it is. Its not a life or death thing. I'm not trying to solve any of the world's problems...I'm just trying to keep a well written, enjoyable show on the air
Thanks

Also, when I sign a petition in person, I never, EVER put my home phone number. I either leave it blank or use my work number and I'm not getting any calls at home. When you sign an online petition, you also include your email address, which they can easily use to verify whether or not you signed the petition.

Plus, I think most of us understand that this isn't going to "save the show." I personally have written to Fox, as well as encouraging my friends to watch the show. Every little thing I can do to help, I will try.

Even if it's a waste of time, so what? What's the harm in it? Maybe it will do SOME good, but if it doesn't, who cares? I don't think anyone is pinning all their hopes on this one petition. It's just something that you can do to help contribute.

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