Enterprise - 9/25
 

Nooooooo! B&B just pissed all over Trek continuity! I knew Berman hated ToS but never this much.

Give me a break. A decent enough story but that gives them no excuse to do something like this.

This feeds into the alien conspiracy nonsense. I resent this notion quite a bit. I don't think I'll be watching much anymore.

If you're pissed about , you must have missed the promo for next week.

On the plus side, N'Pol

And we had our obligatory cave, too.

Cave is mandatory.:)

Yah, I was so disgusted I just turned off the TV.(I need one of those foam bricks)

It's nice to know that not only are B&B spitting on Roddenberry's legacy but belittling genuine achievements made by hard working Americans in the "real" space program. Nice going guys.-rolleyes-

OK, what is up with this show?

First of all, could the area outside the crash site at the beginning of the show look any more FAKE? My mouth actually dropped--the forest looked like a high school play set.

And I'm no rocket scientist, but

So, maybe some ST buffs can answer these Q's I have:

1. Did the Vulcans always speak English by nature? In a show that has a translator on the Enterprise, I was surprised to see the Vulcans just start talking to the humans.

2. Has Roswell ever been explained in the ST universe? That's where I thought they were going in this show, but they didn't.

3. I thought Vulcan's couldn't lie, though they clearly did in this episode. Thoughts?

4. So, er, in the end, was T'Pol saying SHE was the one who actually visited earth?

This was one of my favorite episodes of the series.

"ST continuity" is an utterly worthless joke, anyway. Entire series of books have been written about the hundreds and hundreds of mistakes made on the various series.

And, BTW, "Roswell" was explained on Deep Space Nine. Ferangi, accidentally transported back in time.

the next week will be interesting
as in "can they not totally pooch screw continuity"
technically as long as they don't they should kind of be ok

these vulcans weren't totally purged of emotion like Spock's era so they can lie. And even Spock/Tuvok/etc have all told lies

You don't have to worry about spoilers for this episode in this thread, but I had that question as well. Plus, I still haven't figured out how he learned all the little rules of pool (calling where the 8-ball goes, for example).

*sigh*

das

I didn't want to like this episode, but I did.

I've gotten over trying to hold Enterprise to any sort of continuity. It's painfully obvious they don't care.

And Vulcans don't lie. They just tell the truth from "a certain point of view".

Oh wait...that's the Star Wars Universe.

Vulcans "exaggerate". :)

Vulcans don't lie, they exaggerate. According to Spock in Star Trek: The Undiscovery Country. :D

I stopped worrying about continuity when Sisko met Kirk.

I liked the episode.

Fun episode. I see a possible spin-off series here. ;)

It was an entertaining episode.

The continuity flaws were mildly annoying, but as has been said by a few people on this thread - that is to be expected with Star Trek. Unfortunately.

Still, I'm enjoying Enterprise more than I did most Voyager episodes....

So N'pol's ancestor was so worried about cultural contamination that she ended up causing the Apollo 1 test capsule tragedy so that kid could go to his first year of college?
A very slow and predictable episode. Ho hum. At least next week's looks like it has potential. I still like this show.

What I learned from this weeks Enterprise.

T'Pol is extremely attractive.

...and some crap about pool. But that's secondary to T'Pols attractivness.

D

Wizdar rants yet again
 

If enjoying this means wanting to rip the guts out of the idiot who wrote it, then I REALLY liked this ep. If forgiveness is the road to salvation, then praise the Lord, brother, ‘cause I’ve loosened a lifetime of forgiveness in one scant hour!

I forgave the idiots who wrote this for asking us to believe that the Vulcans would actually give a crap about a small, blue-green planet located in the unfashionable end of the galaxy. For asking us to believe that they would even notice a basketball-sized satelite whose beep beep beep signal could hardly make it to the moon, much less Vulcan.

I forgave them for blatently ripping off the clothes-stealing scene from “City on the Edge of Forever,” and then distracting us from realizing that by flashing N’Pol’s tits en sillouette. Twice.

I forgave them for not even bothering to try to tell us just how the hell Vulcan’s spoke perfek freakin’ English. For suggesting that folks in a coal mining town are SO STOOPID that, during the rise of commiephobia, these guys didn’t look the least bit strange. Any suspicion that they didn’t quite belong lasted all of about 15 seconds when Great Grandma and friend first entered the bar. In a small town, this is, of course, quite plausable, and I’m not sure what there is to forgive. But I forgave.

And the jokes! Forget the backwards dress gag, how ‘bout the kiss? Did anybody laugh at the kiss? A chuckle? The corners on your mouth turn up?

Years ago (decades ago?), when I was young and aspiring to write science fiction, I got a writer’s guide from Asimov’s. Some helpful tips. One thing that has stuck in my mind from that guide: a sure way to prove that you’re a HACK [Wizdar is paraphrasing], and to get a form reject letter, is to use the cliché ending, “And Johnny woke up and realized it was all a dream.”

I CANNOT forgive how they pissed on an hour of my time by suggesting “it was only a story.”

So much for my bid for sainthood. :grunt:

Re: Wizdar rants yet again
 

What is everyone's take on the ending? Obviously, it was more than a story since T'Pol pulled out that purse. But was it actually T'Pol who that happened to? Or was it her great, great grandmother? They kind of muddied the water there and I didn't get it.

I spent the past week arguing that Enterprise is one of the better shows on network television, and then THAT happens. THAT happens, and only a DAY after Smallville showed great improvement iin their second season opener.

Usually I don't care about continutiy, the little details here and there, who saw Ferengis first, etc. But the ENTIRE DAMN POINT of the First Contact movie was that they had to use the warp drive thingy so that the Vulcans would pick up the signal, realize earth was there, and come share technology, babble babble. I mean, if you're going to negate a Star Trek movie, negate part 5.

Aside from that, it was a rehash of 50 other shows, movies, and plots about out-of-towners, be it aliens or communists, fitting in until their ride home could come. Seen aver scene before, many many times.

That was a good episode. For me to poop on.

Funny, you always find one or two that like this new Trek crap. The question is, will that be enough to keep it on the air.

Screw Continuity, Screw Quality, Screw B&B, Screw the Legacy that is Trek.

Sigh.. another week, another middle finger to continuity..

I think that's the theme for this season.

I do believe that is the definition of a thread crap.

But there is an interesting question, about “enough to keep it on the air.”

I said last year that B&B&Co. will go down in history as the ones who killed Trek. The question is, will ratings go south, and if so will it be enough for it to die? Or will they keep it on because it is Trek? Allegedly.

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Zien •<HR SIZE=1>That was a good episode. For me to poop on. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

You see that ... it's called "the light." :D :D :D

das

Re: Re: Wizdar rants yet again
 

Would have worked a lot better if she had had a book on astronomy or mathematics written by the kid her great grandmother sent to college. The purse confuses the issue. Did her GG give it to her as a memento when N'Pol went to earth? Was it really N'Pol in the 1950's (opens the door for more time travel nonsense)? Was it an antique she bought to feel closer to her relative? The purse itself played no major symbolic role in the show. It's not like it was given to granny by anyone.

It seems like a purposfully confusing ending, possibly tacked on at the last minute to confirm that it wasn't just a story.

I thought it was a cute episode. I liked it better than last weeks thats for sure.

Why does N'pol look so much more attractive with a part in her hair? Strange...

I have no doubt that the purse was her Grandmother's. I thought that they had mentions that N'pol was only 60 previously. Besides if it WAS her, don't you think that she would have risen higher in the high command by now?

I am not a top thinker. Please explain how N'Pol ended up causing Apollo 1 tragedy.