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Adrian 08-22-02 08:20 PM

Strategically for Jason to ensure the eviction of Roddy, he has to nominate him (Roddy) with Marcellas or Amy. Neither Marcellas or Amy will vote to evict each other. Amy and Marcellas are for sure going to align with Roddy after all the brouhaha during the entire Roddy-Chiara nomination and eviction process. Amy had even considered nominating (and almost nominated Jason until the last minute) Jason. Nominating Roddy and Gerry means, Amy and Marcellas will vote for Gerry's eviction & Danielle & Lisa will vote for Roddy's eviction. So this is not a bad choice either since Jason can do the eviction himself which is too risky strategicallly and would be more emotionaly nerve wrecking for him.

briank 08-22-02 08:24 PM

well I think Danni needs to go soon.

She has been double dealing. If I was Jason I'd be pissed she had him switch the vote at last second but didn't switch hers.
Obviously to "try and get votes for the end game". Especially given the theory she is/was taking Jason to the end. What a better way to get that end vote.

She is playing "too hard" and double dealing, although she has become diluted in her mind and really is "thinking she is keeping her word".

But I do like Jason, so it is best to still have Danni around for him.
Just wish he picked a better player like Roddy as an Ally.
I still think Jay/Rod/Gerry/Lisa would be a great final four.

Can't stand Marc/Danni/Amy.

I wouldn't mind seeing Amy nominated this week.

I was hoping for someone else for HOH. Like Gerry or Marc.
It'd be more interesting week of watching.

Patman 08-22-02 08:38 PM

I also wonder if Jason will feel like Dani double-crossed him on purpose for that endgame vote.

jhansla, it would probably make her eyes bug out, and definitely top Roddy's reaction to his nomination by Chiara.

Adrian 08-23-02 05:44 AM

I got this from the most popular BB3 board (http://tvclubhouse.bomis.com/discus/...tml?1030092759) around the net. I agree completely with this post:

"Dani promised kiki weeks ago she would never vote to evict her..she gave her word. Lisa and jason knew this. She was NEVER going to vote to evict Kiki. The question was how were the trio going to agree to have Lisa and Jason vote. Those two along with Marc were the three votes that Dani promised to Amy to ensure Kiki was evicted. She NEVER promised that her vote was one of the three..only that she would deliver three votes to evict.

So she managed to keep her word to both amy and kiki in the end.

Lisa never gave her word and so she was OK to change. kiki asked jason to vote her out so he was OK too. "

Adrian 08-23-02 06:20 AM

I love Lisa and Jason to make into the Final 2.

I think the best player of the game so far is Gerry.

High: The HGs only problem with him seems to be his personal hygiene. They do not see him as a threat. But he can beat anyone (but not guaranteed to win against anyone) he would be up against in the Final 2. He votes independently. He has no real alliances and does not need it to stay longer in the game. I think, he will align with somebody only once offered and needed. His refusal to join (or stick) with the "Original Bad Alliance of 6" is genius. He never says anything really bad to any of the HGs in his DR entries.

Everybody should thank Gerry for making this BB3 a very memorable, unpredictable and exciting season. His use of POV to save Marcellas during the first nomination is BB3's first shining moment. I initially thought that he is going to be another "psycho" George (of BB1) and "pompous" Kent (of BB2). (Kent proved to be too intelligent & honest for his own good in the game)

Low: The Bad Alliance of 6 (including Tonya) may never give him the vote in the Final 2 since he is the main reason of the defeat of that unsuccessful short-lived alliance.

IF GERRY AVOIDS BEING NOMINATED THIS WEEK THEN NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, HE IS THE KING OF THE HOUSE AT THE MOMENT. I do not think Jason has the balls to nominate either Amy or Marcellas (AND of course he would not nominate Lisa and Danielle). Even if he gets nominated and then survives eviction, HE WILL THEN BE THE BIGGEST WILDCARD OF THE GAME if he stays independent.

Lisa is the most improve player of the game. She is in fact almost as good as Gerry. She has been making the right moves and saying things at the right time now. Her betrayal of Chiara and Roddy (and Eric) is understandable to everyone and a move that she got to do. In the end, if she goes up to the Final 2, she might win unanimously. The only player that might give her the challenge in the Final Two is Jason (and possibly Gerry, depending on how the way the evicted HGs will view what really happened in the house.

I'm not sure if Jason has the chance to win it all. I think he do have a big chance but may end up just like Josh (2nd placer of BB, but then the viewers picked the BB1 winner not the HGs). I'm still giving him a good chance in winning the other HGs votes at the end but his sneaky association with Danielle might cost him some votes if he is to be pitted against Lisa or Gerry in the Final 2.

BTW, I THINK ANY OF THESE 3 PLAYERS DESERVE & (HAVE THE BIGGEST POTENTIAL RIGHT NOW) TO WIN BIG BROTHER 3. IF RODDY OR DANIELLE WINS IT ALL, THEN HE/SHE IS SHOULD BE CROWNED THE BEST REALITY PLAYER EVER!

Patman 08-23-02 08:45 AM

Oh, I so wish Jason would put up Dani and Roddy (to really try to distance himself from Dani in the minds of the houseguests, but that would tip everyone off that Dani is a "power" and Dani would go ape). I do find it amusing that people think Roddy is a power when he's been on the block 2 straight weeks losing his constituency week after week.

No, if you're strategic, you put up Roddy and Gerry. Gerry has been sliding by week after week, and the time has come to put his toes to the fire. Gerry has become the Mr. Magoo of BB3.

clemente 08-23-02 11:25 AM


Originally posted by Patman
Oh, I so wish Jason would put up Dani and Roddy (to really try to distance himself from Dani in the minds of the houseguests, but that would tip everyone off that Dani is a "power" and Dani would go ape). I do find it amusing that people think Roddy is a power when he's been on the block 2 straight weeks losing his constituency week after week.
Exactly! Why is Roddy such a big threat? He's all alone in the house, the only way he could try to make a move is to team up with Gerry, but they'd still be outnumbered.

I don't think the house is that dumb, they all realize that Dani is a power, and they have to realize that if it comes down to them and Dani (with maybe the exception if Jason) they will lose. Someone needs to step up and remove the big power - Dani. I don't think Jason is the guy who'll do it, but maybe next week.

minifigg 08-23-02 12:13 PM

Hello my name is minifigg and I am a loser.
Why am I a loser?
I am now watching that stupid show thanks to you guys! (ESPECIALLY YOU PATMAN!!!)
So....could someone 'splain to me WTF Danielle was doing with that "Vote the opposite" shyte???
WHAT WAS SHE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH???
She could have gotten rid of Roddy HANDILY.
WTF? WTF? WTF?
Someone please enlighten me...
HE will win now and its thier own_damn fault.
BTW: IMHO its lucky for Dani and Jason that Jason got HOH. HE SO would have been nominated if Roddy got it.
Why didn't Roddy want it BTW?
Roddy would have put up Jason adn Dani in a HEARTBEAT>AND Roddy has more support than Dani so if he does not go this week, the campaign he has against her will prevail and she will be SO GONE, leaving his minons to pick off the rest of the "Good" people one by one.
AGGHHHHHHH!
So...PAtman? WTF is going on???
mini

Timber 08-23-02 12:16 PM

Roddy is such a threat because he is such a good talker. He can probably make anyone agree and or team up with him. He turned Marc in the few minutes they were in the hot tub and he already has Amy on his side. It wouldn't take too much to get Gerry either. The guy is far from alone and with all of the friends he had in the house he would be a shoe in to win against almost anyone.

Patman 08-23-02 12:51 PM

Mini,

Dani is very shrewd. She's playing for the endgame of "I've got your back." Dani promised Chiara that she got her "back," so Dani was basically forced to vote to boot Roddy. This is so that Chiara would vote for Dani at the end (showing loyalty for Girl Power - blah blah blah).

Dani also "basically" promised Amy to get her the 3 votes to boot Chiara, but she didn't promise to vote to boot Chiara herself. Right before the voting starts, Amy is working Dani hard, and Dani "gives into Amy's pleas to boot Chiara," so Dani gets Lisa and Jason to "do the opposite" (whatever that really means - it could just be for show to convince Amy that they are really on her side), and Dani is pretty sure that Marcellas won't disappoint Amy by voting to boot Roddy, so that's the 3rd vote needed to boot Chiara. Gerry's vote was just gravy.

Dani used Lisa's anger against Chiara when she gave her the okay to boot off Chiara (thus pissing off Chiara if Lisa is in the final 2). Jason was also used by Dani to make her look good while Chiara's "friends" booted her out. But somehow Lisa and Jason are cool with Dani being the lone vote for Chiara (hope J and L aren't that stupid).

minifigg 08-23-02 01:49 PM

Patman,
Yeah, BUT Roddy knows all about/feels threatened by/does not like Dani, so if he is not out this week, buh-bye Dani next week.
How could she have been that stupid with the "I got your back" shyte NOW? Besides, once the old contestants get out, they will see her backstabbing that CBS aired from the Diary room, right?
Does everyone get a vote on who gets the money, or just the last 8?
mini

B.A. 08-23-02 01:58 PM

Roddy has Amy/Marc in his back-pocket and I honestly think he can work on Lisa/Jason (Gerry is too far out there to even attempt to ally with) to get rid of Dani. Those two have to realize they are good players and do not need her playing them like a guitar...I think Dani's rabbit was let of its hat last week and she has got to have a big target on her back now, possibly bigger than Roddy's. Roddy is so smooth he might be able to pull it off. I know Dani/Jason/Lisa seem to have a strong triumvirate going, but it is ready to fall apart - Lisa even seemed to question some stuff that was said last week, and the bottom line is that Dani is playing the game much too hard now, and the whole deal with the money and her family is really annoying the piss out of everybody(HGs and the viewers) - if those two could break away from her, the game will be wide open, somewhat.

Patman 08-23-02 02:18 PM

Mini, the way the final vote works is as follows:

The remaining 10 evicted houseguests are eligible to vote, but each of the remaining 2 finalist can negate one vote each (to throw out a possible vote for the other person - this takes some guesswork on part of the finalist and could backfire). The remaining 8 then vote FOR the person they want to win the big prize. I don't know what happens if there is a 4-4 tie.

Last season, they booted Justin out of the game, so there were only 7 votes at the end, so a majority would have emerged. But this year, it'll be 8 votes on the jury, so a tie is possible.

clemente 08-23-02 02:36 PM

See, Danielle's end game strategy is a good one if it just came down to the last two players simply dueling it out for the money, but it DOESN'T!!

I'm sure every player has someone on the outside watching the 24/7 feeds, so as soon as Chiara gets on the outside, she's going to know that Danni was never really on her side, and all of Danni's "being nice to you face" BS will mean jack.

Patman 08-23-02 03:14 PM

Which is why Dani needs to get rid of Roddy because Roddy has not really "trashed" people like Dani does in the DR. Roddy's been playing the "good positive" guy role throughout his stay in the house, but will stand up for himself (like he did to Josh a few weeks ago in the backyard when Josh was trying play both sides of the fence yet again). Roddy has attempted to forge relationships with just about everyone in the house (though Lisa is probably the most distant to him since she was hanging with Eric for the 1st month). Even if Roddy is insincere about it, he doesn't blab about it in the DR. Dani is happy to dish the dirt in the DR, and I also hope it bites her in the butt in the end if she makes it that far.

clemente 08-23-02 04:22 PM

I have a question for those who subscribe or keep up with the live feeds. Is there any way to see what's said in the DR besides what is shown on TV?

If not, it occurs to me that the producer's really have some amount of power in deciding who can win that final vote. I'm sure that most everyone can and does bad mouth others in the DR (except maybe Roddy?), by simply showing or not showing those bits, the producers can influence someone's final vote. I mean if you came out and saw Dani bad mouthing you in the DR - the shows only sanctum- despite what you may have thought of her in the house, your opinion and vote may change.

Just a thought.

Patman 08-23-02 05:07 PM

True, you don't get a feed of the DR if you subscribe to the live feeds. But, wouldn't you think the hamsters would know better than to trash talk the likely voters for the final vote? Whatever any of the hamsters says in the DR is fair game for the producers to share or not share with the whole world. So, if you're a hamster, you should be a little more clever when you do diss the other hamsters. So Dani is totally hanging herself in the DR.

Adrian 08-23-02 05:40 PM


Originally posted by clemente


Exactly! Why is Roddy such a big threat? He's all alone in the house, the only way he could try to make a move is to team up with Gerry, but they'd still be outnumbered.

I don't think the house is that dumb, they all realize that Dani is a power, and they have to realize that if it comes down to them and Dani (with maybe the exception if Jason) they will lose. Someone needs to step up and remove the big power - Dani. I don't think Jason is the guy who'll do it, but maybe next week.

:lol:

If Roddy is not a big threat, how come he already survived two evictions? If they are going to evict someone among themselves one after another before Roddy, when are they going to evict Roddy? When it is too late? Will? Will? Will? Anyone?

Do yourself a favor, watch BB3 in your friends' LIVE FEEDS so you can get the big picture! Guys, will you? :) Just kidding.

Hey, Jason come on evict your best ally! Evict the person who has been doing the dirty tricks for you? :lol:

Jason - "If Danielle will carry me to the Final 3 why should I nominate her for eviction? I am not dumb, I'll let the other HGs put her up for eviction possibly against me. Why are they going to evict me first instead of her? And why do you want me to lose one precious final vote (Dani's) at the end. They thought I'm just her puppet."

"Nominate Roddy & Gerry? :lol: You guys are killing me, these guys (HGs) out there are going to choose sweet smelling Roddy. Been there. Done that! He is that charming, believe me!"

Adrian 08-23-02 06:34 PM

Why Roddy is such a big threat?

#1 - If Roddy makes it to the Final 2, he will for sure get the votes of the following: JOSH, ERIC, CHIARA, TONYA (at least). That may not be enough for him to win but remember Will? As days & time the goes by with him in the house, the more & more charming he becomes for everyone (& viewers). Believe it or not, in the end, Marcellas, Amy & Gerry can be persuaded to vote for Roddy. I'm not sure about Lisa (without Chiara, Roddy can do anything to win Lisa back) & Lori

#2 - Roddy did one of the most diabolical thing a HOH can do i.e, ENSURE A UNANIMOUS EVICTION OF A HOUSEGUEST (AMY). He just successfully did that. HE IS THAT POWERFUL! What did Amy do on her comeback she reluctantly put up RODDY (and she almost nominated Jason because of Roddy's shameless lobbying!) against CHIARA. Amy does not even want a single vote for Roddy's eviction. (THIS IS THE REASON WHY DANIELLE GIVE RODDY ONE EVICTION VOTE! THAT VOTE IS THE MOST DEFINING VOTE IN RODDY's HISTORY IN THE HOUSE. Shameless campaigning for unanimous eviction eviction will stop. Roddy's streak of not getting even a single eviction vote will stop.)

#3 - You should see the master manipulator at work in the LIVE FEEDS!

#4 - All the HGs are telling us in the DR that he is the biggest threat in the house and yet they are fre*&%* afraid to give him an eviction vote. They keep on telling him the secrets of each and every houseguest. (CLASSIC EXAMPLES? REMEMBER JOSH EVICTION? RODDY WAS SURE TO BE EVICTED SECRETLY WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, MARCELLAS REVEALED TO RODDY DURING THE DRAMATIC JOSH-RODDY CONFRONTATION, EVERYONE'S PLAN TO EVICT HIM. LISA AND AMY HAVE TOLD HIM DANIELLE'S MASTER STRATEGY)

#5 - Roddy is a writer. :)

jhansla 08-23-02 08:01 PM

well i said that i thought
Spoiler:
gerry and lisa
were going up but i was
Spoiler:
wrong

Jason has put up
Spoiler:
GERRY AND AMY!!!

clemente 08-23-02 10:33 PM

Excellent spoiler jhansla, I can't tell what went down.
congrats to you! I'll find out tomorrow.

Patman 08-23-02 11:52 PM

Wow! That is a shock! I was certain that
Spoiler:
Teflon Roddy
would be one of the 2 nominees, but it sort of makes sense for Jason to do what he did. Good for him!

People would be surprised if they watched Roddy on the Live Feeds because that guy is one smooth talker. He talks and talks until you are mentally battered, but everything he says is pretty consistent with the "truth" from certain points of view, and he's able to place seeds of doubts in the houseguests that he wants to bamboozle. If he wins, he's earned it with months of yammering and mental hammering of the rest of the houseguest that he perceived to be his competition, and yet turned them into Roddy-worshippers. The guy is that scary in the mental warfare department of the BB house.

clemente 08-24-02 08:08 PM

Well Roddy also has the effect on the viewers. I love Roddy, I really want him to take the whole thing, because he's playing the game so damn well and aside from Jason, he's the only player who hasn't bugged me.

Spoiler:
Roddy is safe for now!!!

jhansla 08-24-02 08:21 PM

I've got a feeling that Roddy is going up anyway. If Dani wins POV she will take Amy off just to make Jason put Roddy up. If Marcellas wins it he could get either of them off because he might want to return the favor that Gerry did for him or he might want to save Amy cause she is his closest friend in the house.
Roddy needs to make sure that Dani or Marcell don't get it because if one of them does he is up!!!

Patman 08-24-02 08:23 PM

"Jason, you, you will not nominate me, no, you will not nominate me. You will obey me. At the snap of my fingers, you will come out feeling refreshed and you will nominate someone else...*snap*"


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