Ok. I ask this every week but haven't seen any replies... who do you think will be in the final three? Several weeks ago I said it would be Al, Dorothy, and Bill. I felt that Bribs and Bill were interchangeable but stuck with my instinct that Bill would win over and he (so far) did.

Al - mole
Dorothy - winner
Bill - 2nd place

I agree that Al, Dorothy, and Bill will be in the top 3, but I don't think Al is the Mole. It's either Bill or Dorothy (probably the former), and whichever one of them ISN'T the Mole will be the one who wins the game.

I don't know if this has been posted before (it was published 7/5/02), but hopefully they will go ahead with a Mole 3 for next summer.

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/article1979.html

Mole's Ratings Suggest Possible Return
by Susan Schechter

Mole 2 has surprised some ABC execs with its ratings even in the face of stiff competition. Does this mean they made a mistake by pulling it the first time? More importantly, will the show return for a third go, and who will host it?

There are many stories about TV execs who take off shows that should have been given another chance. These sad but true stories show that network execs should listen to their fans, and not take off shows that are cult hits. For a very recent example, we have The Mole 2. According to an article that ran on Baseline news wire last week, ABC is realizing that Mole 2 is a hit.

Nearly 10 months after ABC scrapped the second installment of The Mole, the reality show is having the last laugh. The ratings are great. Viewers are watching. Surprise! Despite competition from the NBA Finals and Fox's red-hot talent search show American Idol, young viewers have made Mole 2 ABC's top-rated show among adults 18-49 for the last three weeks in June, according to Baseline.

"I'm really encouraged," ABC reality exec John Saade says of the numbers. "There really seems to be a consistent fan base for the show."

There have been some problems with the new show however. One of them, you guessed it, is keeping the secret of who the Mole actually is. According to Executive Producer David Stanley, it hasn't been too difficult. "Nobody on the show has been paid their winnings," said Stanley. "So there's a strong incentive to keep quiet." Ouch – the winner has had to sit around without his or her winnings for all this time?

Saade says it's too early to tell whether there'll be a Mole 3, but the odds have certainly gone up in recent weeks. A decision will likely be made by this summer's end. The problem with the renewal could be the host, Anderson Cooper. He started working for CNN as anchor during The Mole's hiatus. Mole producer Scott Stone is confident if there is a Mole 3, Anderson Cooper will be the host. "Our sincere hope is that he can do both," he told Baseline. Certainly Cooper has been having fun with this version of the show, but he is replaceable. While many viewers would prefer to see him back, the also want the show to go on with or without Cooper.

Also, here is a link to the many Mole articles that have appeared.

http://www.sirlinksalot.net/mole.html

Once again, sorry if this has been posted.


On a side note, I have never tried to guess who the Mole is in either the Mole 1 or Mole 2. I just enjoy watching the players and the interaction between them. And when the Mole was revealed last year I was like "damn she made a great Mole". I think this year the Mole's performance will have been even better. I sure hope they do a Mole 3, because it is an intelligent show, where the players only have themselves to blame, if they are executed. None of this being voted off crap! Hopefully they will come out with a DVD of both seasons.

Chris

But what you're implying is that the producers of the show predicted the future and knew which players would be executed, and therefore asked questions relating to them. That's impossible: how would the producers know who would make it to the final rounds? The Al thing is just a coincidence -- they might just as easily have asked questions about Dorothy, Heather, and Bill. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm giving a reason for why Al is the mole. Using deductions, he's the only one left that there was a question about.

But DigIt's point is that the producters don't know who would be executed, unless Samantha Morton is now on staff.

yes, they dont know who's going to be executed. Thats not what I'm trying to say. As of right now, using deductions from that game alone, Al is the only question which the producers chose to ask the players about. In which the producers knew the odds are the players would get the answer wrong. The burning bags was a distraction.

Thanks for the article mrpayroll. The Mole is my favorite reality show for a variety of reasons. (It's smart, Anderson Cooper is cool, and it's fun to solve the mystery of who's the mole). It's good to see it gaining popularity.

Here are my predictions:

Winner: Al
Mole: Dorothy
2rd place: Bill
3th place: Heather

Now I understand!

• The mole wants to sabotage the Burning Bags competition.
• The mole can do this in one of two ways:
• Scenario 1. The mole can participate in the game and answer a question incorrectly, thus losing the money.
• Scenario 2. The mole can arrange to have a question about him/her asked, to which no one knows the answer (e.g., "Ask them what my favorite beverage is, because I haven't told anyone") thus making them lose the money.
• For Scenario 2, process of elimination tells us that if it were true, Al is the only person still remaining in the game, and therefore suspicion falls on him.
• Evidence of Scenario 2 is that the "favorite beverage" question remains to be a frequent topic throughout the season, a clue for observant players who remember the first day.

I personally think this line of reasoning is compelling, but ultimately too far fetched to be believable. My proof will be when Al is executed next week, sending Dorothy, Heather, and Bill-the-mole into the finals. ;)

Thanks for that article, mrpayroll!!! I'm tempted to try out for Mole 3 if they decide to go ahead with it. My luck is if I get on the show I'll be the first executed. That would stink. :rolleyes:

I would so go out for a Mole 3. I would have for Mole 2, but I actually know not a single person who owns a video camera.

If they did go forward with a three, they'd have to get Anderson back. Some of the best moments in the shows have been Anderson moments and he really seems to get to know the competitors. They could do a "Where in the World is Anderson" segment on the CNN show....see works perfectly.

Anywho, to answer goofee's query.

Winner: Dorothy
Mole: Heather
2nd place: Bill
3rd place: Al

I almost went out for Mole 2 myself. Then my wife got pregnant. If there's a Mole 3 I might put my name in the hat.

Heh. I would have gone out for Mole 2... I was living in NYC at the time and they held auditions there... but was hesitant because they asked that you put aside 6 weeks for the game. At the time I couldn't have done it. If they put one together for this summer I could definitely go since I'd be in between semesters at school and I'd just quit my job earlier than planned.

Sorry if this has been typed but I only had time to scan the thread. I don't recall ever seeing an answer actually clicked on during the quiz but this week someone clicked the choice of "fourth". The fourth person shown after that was Bill. Also, at the end when each person was saying they weren't the mole Bill was the fourth. Combine that with the "admiral" thing from last weeks intro and I think that's the mole.

Prediction, like Charlie , Bill will be executed episode 11. Then I will have my Fun. 13. Who is the mole? Al is the mole ;)

Since I'm the thread starter, here is what's going to happen for these threads for the next three episodes.

* This episode is the final "observations" poll. And, not everyone is a close observer.
* There will still be two more quizes, however, they will be in the format of "Mole, Winner, Loser", in the events that the games and actions in the episode prior to the final quiz changes someone's mind.
* During this series, I have been keeping a text file that lists the quiz questions that I have posted along with who got eliminated, and in which episode. Thus, expect about a dozen Mole threads to be resurrected.

I can only give you my prediction now, but won't know exactly until the final episode, but....

Mike - Admiral Bill (primary), Al (Secondary)
Executed - ???
Winner - Heather

Of course, this is TV, so we could have been mislead.

Just in case this has not been posted, a petition has been started to encourage ABC to go ahead with Mole 3. Here is the link for that petition. I don't know how effective they are, but at least we can try. Chris

http://www.petitiononline.com/mole3/petition.html

You know, that's a really great idea! If it works for Matt Laurer......

This show would not be the same without Anderson. He has made for some very funny moments, like in the bike game - "These hills are a bitch, aren't they?"
I like the rapport that develops between host and players, even eating meals together.

catch, i like your reasoning and observations and you've convinced me Al is the mole. strong 2nd is dorothy. the way she 'breathed the sigh of relief' when her thumb went green seemed fake. and the fact that she met anderson at the door for the tether ball game, when he went into everyone else's room.

great show though, and looking forward to #3 (for the benefit of those making the decisions)

I jumped in and signed the petition... can't hurt anything I don't think.

I've got to chime in about the number "4" theory. I doubt, really doubt, that they would do that again this year. Last year, the show told us how the number 4 was so vital to the clues. Katherine was the 4th one to appear on the premier episode, and MOLE has 4 letters, yah, it was SOOO far fetched, I know, but that was how they reasoned some of the "hidden" clues. Anyhow, a lot of people are going with the 4 thing again. I don't buy it. Catch21 also noticed something that I did, and that was when the show asked "Who is the Mole?", they showed Bill with "Mole?" under him, again, Bill was 4th, Mole...4 letters..blah blah. But more importantly, When Al was shown, the word "is" was there. Al IS the mole....IS!! I would hope that the too obvious "MOLE" word under the actual mole isn't going to come true, as that is just too obvious.
As for that letter with the phone number that when deciphered said "Bill is the mole"...didn't the real mole send that telegram out? Wouldn't the mole try to plant things like that to throw people off his/her trail? (Though we all know it's really Al!) That AdmiraL thing is a bit weird, but the A and the L were capitalized....sooooo...AL!

Anyhow, this show just gets better....I loved that last competition, with heather running all around and taking her sweet time at the end. The only thing that was rather odd was that Heather ran right INTO Bribbs, she could have made a leap for that last thumb print, but she just kinda stopped....oh well.

Neitzl

14. Al sells 2 pairs of shoes for the price of 1

15. Al is the only one who breaks eye contact when saying he's not the mole

16. Al says "I wouldnt be holding this mole killer if I'm the mole" Al's not holding the can. The can is on his knee . Plus his arms are crossed.

17. In the heart rate game, Al has to double cross the ropes.

Does anyone else know about an old and short-lived game show called 'The Chair'? I read on another forum that Al appeared on this show... one of the challenges was to answer questions while strapped to a chair and keep his heart rate down. He won the game. Doesn't this sound confusing considering the tightrope walk that Al failed because of his heartrate? :)

18.the Romeo and Juliet book, Al's story of whats the worst thing he did. Al had to climb the balcony to reach where his wife was at. Much like Romeo did. Except,he was caught.

Strange.
But keeping a heartrate down and keeping it artificially high are two different tasks. Al just doesn't look like he has those skills.

If I saw some vidcaps, I'd join you on the Al team goofee, but don't all game/reality shows has exclusivety agreements where you can't appear on another show a year previous or after. That leads to my skepticism of that fact.

But then there is that other huge list....still I'm sticking with Heather.

Anybody know where I can find pictures of the contestants from the first season?

Actually, I read one of the people on Big Brother 3 admitted (online) that he was cast because producers saw him on The Chair. Thats two different networks too, CBS and ABC.

I have no idea where to find any vidcaps... the Chair's website is still up but has absolutely no info on the players. And I do think that his appearance on the show was a year before Mole so he qualifies. The Chair seems to have been cancelled ages ago.

Although I'm sticking with Al I'll admit that the show is making Heather out to be terribly suspicious...... so you have good reason to stick with her.

Like MarkHoltz, I believe Bill is the Mole and Heather will win. I think that Al will be executed next. And Dorothy will be the final executed player. Heather will win in a close one.

If Heather doesn't win, then Dorothy should surely win. Dorothy should beat Al in a head-to-head quiz.

If Bill is not the Mole, I hope he gets executed next. Then my next pick for Mole would probably be Dorothy then Al.

Damnit! Bribs should've won it. :mad:

You watch the Mole, Deftones? :thumbsup: I agree that Bribs should have won... he was a good player and just an all around good guy. Looking back I think he was one of the players who kept tying for lowest score... everytime this was announced he would shake his head and look down. Poor kid.

Yeah, I loved the original one and I love this one too. In my opinion, it's much more fascinating to watch than the other reality crap that's on tv. The idea of someone sabatoging the group is very cool.

My gut instinct was always Dorothy...her getting those impossible questions right, right before time was up was...shocking...

But Heather has been confusing me lately...

The "Bill is the mole" clue on the telegram is too much for me to overlook. I really do think that ABC caught so much flak for the first Mole's "Secret Clues :rolleyes: " that they tried to make them easier. Big mistake, as anyone who was familiar with the AI game can attest.

I think Dorothy will win because Al will trust Bill and get executed.

Also, has there been any mention of Kathryn Price's Online Mole Journal? In the last entry (second to last, maybe) when she discusses Bill's attempt to put the Mole fingerprint in Dorothy's journal, she says

>>How great is it that Dorothy thinks Bill neutralized her because she found a gray hair underneath the sticker
in her journal? That's the best piece of detective work we've seen all season. I can just see her in her hotel
room with a magnifying glass and some tweezers. If she keeps that up, maybe our ratings will start rivaling
CSI. <<

I didn't see this part. Was it in the episode? If it's true, that might get her on Bill's path and that might carry her through to win.

On the other hand, I'm so convinced that Bill is the Mole that I would LOVE it if Al were the Mole! Throw me for a loop.

They didn't show Dorothy finding the gray hair, but she did say in her confessional that she had found a gray hair underneath her sticker.

Everyone has been pretty much saying that Dorothy is "scarily" smart, so her ability in the game hasn't surprised me much.

Since most of you think its Bill , You think AbC will make it that obvious putting the word Mole over BILL?

The telegram was from the mole (1st person)

Bill is the mole (3rd person)

the two dont match

I got a question.

Obviously the telegram is really from the producers. Last year, were they consistent in keeping the fiction that it was actually the Mole communicating with the players? Because obviously the Mole would not give herself/himself away, so he / she would not provide an obvious clue, like the telephone number. But, if the telegram is from the producers, and everyone knows it's from the producers and no one is working under the pretense it's from the Mole, the clue could be valid.

What I'm saying is, if they are going to say the telegram is from the Mole, will they be completely consistent with it, and therefore no communications from the Mole would deliberately provide information that could give away his / her identity?

*editted to get rid of atrocious grammar mistakes.

No more obvious than going on and on about Al's foor size and making sure we saw a foot size question on the Mole quiz... Never underestimate the potential stupidity of Hollywood producers. But, yeah it could be a big fat red herring- or maybe thats just what they want you to think!- insert maniacal laugh-.

Does anyone believe that people have "tells" when they are lying about something? I've heard different ones, like blinking or looking away from the person he's talking to. I was taping last episode for a friend, and decided to rewatch the final portion in which AC asks the four remaining contestants if they're the mole. Heather, Dorothy, and Al either blink once, twice, or not at all.

Bill? Blinks eight times. I had to watch the tape a few times because of how fast he blinks... I couldn't get an accurate count.

Just another thought.

There are theories that people who are lying blink rapidly or more than when they are not lying. However, I wear contacts that dry out easily and I'll blink more than usual when they're dry or I'm tired. Don't know if attributing Bills blinking to lying is a good way to determine whether he's the mole.

I did notice that Heather and Dorothy both moved their eyes to the left several times during the confessionals. Since my Psych classes were years ago I don't remember if that's a sign of lying or plain thinking. There's apparently a difference between looking left, right, and up.

Anybody know what the theory behind this is?