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DigIt 07-17-02 02:05 PM


Originally posted by Catch 21
If the game is meaningless, why did the producers have the players play the game? Especially since theres no way the players would get the questions all right. This is day 1.
Yeah, we get that: the game was unusually difficult. How does that mean that Al is the mole?

Slumbering Fist 07-17-02 02:18 PM

Some other possible things. Right after the opening credits and the "Watch for clues about who is the Mole?" intro, they did the standard confessionals, wasnt one player, either Al or Bill (Al I think) absent? The resturaunt they ate at in the end had Al---- as its name. When discussing the first game, picking who would do it, Bill was the only player wearing sunglasses... As far as the first tracker game, the delay goes both ways, either Al was fiegning not gettting the go ahead and stalling or bill wasnt pressing the walkie talkie and acting like he was giving the go ahead, of course the editing makes Al look more suspicious.

Anyway, I'm sticking with Bill. I simply think Al's facetime and amount of editing to make him appear as both the most likeable loud guy and a possible Mole is too obvious, a convienant dichotomy. My instincts have me leaning towards the producers being slightly less blatant and going with Bill.

Catch 21 07-17-02 02:48 PM


Originally posted by DigIt
Yeah, we get that: the game was unusually difficult. How does that mean that Al is the mole?
He's the only person left that there was a question about. Plus , that question can be used to answer quiz questions and explain La mole on the wine bottle.

quackers 07-17-02 05:18 PM

If Al is the mole and the purpose of the mole is to prevent the group winning money. Why would he capture Heather to win the 50k, he could of easily not found her by walking around areas where there were no thumb prints. It is a little late in the game to be concerned with winning a few to make them think you're not the mole.

Mark Holtz 07-17-02 05:57 PM

Does anyone have a link to the picture clue? If I recall correctly, they put up AdMiraL. Now, this could be two things: Bill, who is a retired Admiral, and Al.

Also, at the end, guess who is holding the mole bait? Al.

But, in the questioning at the end of the episode, Heather, Al, and Dorothy all say No. But, Bill called them liars and said he wasn't the mole. Go figure.

One thing that I remember from the original mole: On the website, when they gave the original bios, all of the players gave vague answers except Kathryn Price. Her answer when asked if she was the mole: "No."

Catch 21 07-17-02 06:22 PM


Originally posted by quackers
If Al is the mole and the purpose of the mole is to prevent the group winning money. Why would he capture Heather to win the 50k, he could of easily not found her by walking around areas where there were no thumb prints. It is a little late in the game to be concerned with winning a few to make them think you're not the mole.
1.He stopped someone from getting an exemption.

2. Heather Quit. Pretty easy to catch someone who doesnt move.

Catch 21 07-17-02 06:41 PM


Originally posted by GoldenJCJ
Oh man, Bill is so The Mole.


-When Bill as "talking" to Al, Al somehow didn't get the messege to start. It would have been so easy for Bill to not press the button to communicate and then place blame on Al for not hearing him.

I dont know what mole show you watched last night, but the show I saw..

Bill's hand is on the reciever .when Bill said "Haul ASS!" double up towards the tower" thats when HEATHER RAN .since HEather RAn that means his hand was on the reciever. thats when Al said "Copy that".
which mean he heard bill too.
But Al didnt move yet.

then Al said who are you talking to? "thus putting Blame on Bill.


rewatch the tape..

Static Cling 07-17-02 07:57 PM


Originally posted by Catch 21
If the game is meaningless, why did the producers have the players play the game?
Especially since theres no way the players would get the questions all right. This is day 1.

Because the producers wanted to screw with the players' heads. The producers wanted them to think their bags burned up... a little psych out on their part. Many of the situations that the producers have put the players in have been head games... this was one of the first of many.

Too bad about Bribs. He was one of my favorite characters. I saw that Anderson carried Bribs' bags to the car... has he done that with any of the other players' bags?

Catch 21 07-17-02 08:00 PM


Originally posted by Static Cling
Because the producers wanted to screw with the players' heads. The producers wanted them to think their bags burned up... a little psych out on their part. Many of the situations that the producers have put the players in have been head games... this was one of the first of many.
yeah that too..the bags burning to me was a distraction from the clue. plus, I dont think money was involved in that challenge.

jarofclay73 07-17-02 08:39 PM


Originally posted by quackers
Dorothy (Who), Al (is), Heather (the), Bill (Mole?) most likely meaningless but is interesting that they would reverse the order for everyone but Bill to have him on screen with the text "Mole?" underneath him.
This could go along with the "Fourth" word that lighted up when the mouse clicked on the 4.

Bill was the fourth person to be asked if he was the Mole. And then the fourth in the "Who - is - the- Mole?" at the end.

goofee girl 07-17-02 09:09 PM


Originally posted by MarkHoltz
But, in the questioning at the end of the episode, Heather, Al, and Dorothy all say No. But, Bill called them liars and said he wasn't the mole. Go figure.

One thing that I remember from the original mole: On the website, when they gave the original bios, all of the players gave vague answers except Kathryn Price. Her answer when asked if she was the mole: "No."

Actually, Al never said 'No' to the question. He said 'I couldn't be holding the can of mole killer if I were the mole.' (Or something close to that) And I recall Kathryn's bio from last year... she was one of the few who answered 'no' to the question... you're definitely right about that.

goofee girl 07-17-02 09:11 PM


Originally posted by Static Cling
Too bad about Bribs. He was one of my favorite characters. I saw that Anderson carried Bribs' bags to the car... has he done that with any of the other players' bags?
I also liked Bribs a lot. He was a good player and an all around nice guy... it would have been great to see him get to the final three. From what I recall Anderson has carried other players' bags to the car, especially the girls who were executed. Towards the end he was giving away hugs to the departing females. Guess they become a pretty close knit group after a couple of weeks.

Damfino 07-18-02 02:01 AM

I am sticking with Dorothy as the Mole. Even though I am starting to think it's Bill, I have suspected Dorothy since week 3 and I believe first impressions are the most important.

The evader/tracker game cost the show $100,000 so why didn't the mole do more to stop it? Obviously one of the two lookouts (Dorothy or Bill) is the mole because they had less opportunity to sabotage the game and it is interesting that Dorothy voted against the second round.

goofee girl 07-18-02 07:26 AM


Originally posted by Damfino
I am sticking with Dorothy as the Mole. Even though I am starting to think it's Bill, I have suspected Dorothy since week 3 and I believe first impressions are the most important.

The evader/tracker game cost the show $100,000 so why didn't the mole do more to stop it? Obviously one of the two lookouts (Dorothy or Bill) is the mole because they had less opportunity to sabotage the game and it is interesting that Dorothy voted against the second round.

Last year's mole, Kathryn, said in the reunion episode that the producers were the ones who told her when to throw a game and when to try and win money. The funny thing is sometimes she didn't even have to try and sabotage the game because the players did it all themselves and other times when she tried to win money the other players would lose anyway just by not catching on fast enough.

The example she used was in the final episode with Jim and Steve... the three were locked in their rooms and had to get to the lobby within a certain period of time and use whatever they had in their rooms to get out. Kathryn said she did everything she could to help them but they still managed to lose the game.

My guess is if the mole was either the tracker or evader this game was too easily won... if Al is the mole he may have tried to sabotage it desperately but couldn't act like too much of a bumbler and just won them the money no matter. Interesting how he didn't want to vote for a second game...

And I agree with you that Dorothy looked very suspicious this episode although I'm still sticking with Al as I did from the first episode. :) I'd like to see Dorothy win since she's obviously a strategic player even if she isn't the greatest athlete in the group.

DigIt 07-18-02 09:57 AM


Originally posted by Catch 21

Yeah, we get that: the game was unusually difficult. How does that mean that Al is the mole?
He's the only person left that there was a question about.

But what you're implying is that the producers of the show predicted the future and knew which players would be executed, and therefore asked questions relating to them. That's impossible: how would the producers know who would make it to the final rounds? The Al thing is just a coincidence -- they might just as easily have asked questions about Dorothy, Heather, and Bill.

goofee girl 07-18-02 10:44 AM

Ok. I ask this every week but haven't seen any replies... who do you think will be in the final three? Several weeks ago I said it would be Al, Dorothy, and Bill. I felt that Bribs and Bill were interchangeable but stuck with my instinct that Bill would win over and he (so far) did.

Al - mole
Dorothy - winner
Bill - 2nd place

Groucho 07-18-02 10:52 AM

I agree that Al, Dorothy, and Bill will be in the top 3, but I don't think Al is the Mole. It's either Bill or Dorothy (probably the former), and whichever one of them ISN'T the Mole will be the one who wins the game.

mrpayroll 07-18-02 11:28 AM

I don't know if this has been posted before (it was published 7/5/02), but hopefully they will go ahead with a Mole 3 for next summer.

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/article1979.html

Mole's Ratings Suggest Possible Return
by Susan Schechter

Mole 2 has surprised some ABC execs with its ratings even in the face of stiff competition. Does this mean they made a mistake by pulling it the first time? More importantly, will the show return for a third go, and who will host it?

There are many stories about TV execs who take off shows that should have been given another chance. These sad but true stories show that network execs should listen to their fans, and not take off shows that are cult hits. For a very recent example, we have The Mole 2. According to an article that ran on Baseline news wire last week, ABC is realizing that Mole 2 is a hit.

Nearly 10 months after ABC scrapped the second installment of The Mole, the reality show is having the last laugh. The ratings are great. Viewers are watching. Surprise! Despite competition from the NBA Finals and Fox's red-hot talent search show American Idol, young viewers have made Mole 2 ABC's top-rated show among adults 18-49 for the last three weeks in June, according to Baseline.

"I'm really encouraged," ABC reality exec John Saade says of the numbers. "There really seems to be a consistent fan base for the show."

There have been some problems with the new show however. One of them, you guessed it, is keeping the secret of who the Mole actually is. According to Executive Producer David Stanley, it hasn't been too difficult. "Nobody on the show has been paid their winnings," said Stanley. "So there's a strong incentive to keep quiet." Ouch – the winner has had to sit around without his or her winnings for all this time?

Saade says it's too early to tell whether there'll be a Mole 3, but the odds have certainly gone up in recent weeks. A decision will likely be made by this summer's end. The problem with the renewal could be the host, Anderson Cooper. He started working for CNN as anchor during The Mole's hiatus. Mole producer Scott Stone is confident if there is a Mole 3, Anderson Cooper will be the host. "Our sincere hope is that he can do both," he told Baseline. Certainly Cooper has been having fun with this version of the show, but he is replaceable. While many viewers would prefer to see him back, the also want the show to go on with or without Cooper.

Also, here is a link to the many Mole articles that have appeared.

http://www.sirlinksalot.net/mole.html

Once again, sorry if this has been posted.


On a side note, I have never tried to guess who the Mole is in either the Mole 1 or Mole 2. I just enjoy watching the players and the interaction between them. And when the Mole was revealed last year I was like "damn she made a great Mole". I think this year the Mole's performance will have been even better. I sure hope they do a Mole 3, because it is an intelligent show, where the players only have themselves to blame, if they are executed. None of this being voted off crap! Hopefully they will come out with a DVD of both seasons.

Chris

Catch 21 07-18-02 11:55 AM


Originally posted by DigIt
He's the only person left that there was a question about.
But what you're implying is that the producers of the show predicted the future and knew which players would be executed, and therefore asked questions relating to them. That's impossible: how would the producers know who would make it to the final rounds? The Al thing is just a coincidence -- they might just as easily have asked questions about Dorothy, Heather, and Bill. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm giving a reason for why Al is the mole. Using deductions, he's the only one left that there was a question about.

Groucho 07-18-02 11:58 AM


Originally posted by Catch 21
Not if Al is the mole,the producers know who the mole is before day one.
But DigIt's point is that the producters don't know who would be executed, unless Samantha Morton is now on staff.

Catch 21 07-18-02 12:09 PM

yes, they dont know who's going to be executed. Thats not what I'm trying to say. As of right now, using deductions from that game alone, Al is the only question which the producers chose to ask the players about. In which the producers knew the odds are the players would get the answer wrong. The burning bags was a distraction.

Damfino 07-18-02 12:27 PM

Thanks for the article mrpayroll. The Mole is my favorite reality show for a variety of reasons. (It's smart, Anderson Cooper is cool, and it's fun to solve the mystery of who's the mole). It's good to see it gaining popularity.

Here are my predictions:

Winner: Al
Mole: Dorothy
2rd place: Bill
3th place: Heather

DigIt 07-18-02 12:50 PM


Originally posted by Catch 21
yes, they dont know who's going to be executed. Thats not what I'm trying to say. As of right now, using deductions from that game alone, Al is the only question which the producers chose to ask the players about. In which the producers knew the odds are the players would get the answer wrong. The burning bags was a distraction.
Now I understand!
  • The mole wants to sabotage the Burning Bags competition.
  • The mole can do this in one of two ways:
  • Scenario 1. The mole can participate in the game and answer a question incorrectly, thus losing the money.
  • Scenario 2. The mole can arrange to have a question about him/her asked, to which no one knows the answer (e.g., "Ask them what my favorite beverage is, because I haven't told anyone") thus making them lose the money.
  • For Scenario 2, process of elimination tells us that if it were true, Al is the only person still remaining in the game, and therefore suspicion falls on him.
  • Evidence of Scenario 2 is that the "favorite beverage" question remains to be a frequent topic throughout the season, a clue for observant players who remember the first day.
I personally think this line of reasoning is compelling, but ultimately too far fetched to be believable. My proof will be when Al is executed next week, sending Dorothy, Heather, and Bill-the-mole into the finals. ;)

goofee girl 07-18-02 03:39 PM

Thanks for that article, mrpayroll!!! I'm tempted to try out for Mole 3 if they decide to go ahead with it. My luck is if I get on the show I'll be the first executed. That would stink. :rolleyes:

clemente 07-18-02 03:49 PM

I would so go out for a Mole 3. I would have for Mole 2, but I actually know not a single person who owns a video camera.

If they did go forward with a three, they'd have to get Anderson back. Some of the best moments in the shows have been Anderson moments and he really seems to get to know the competitors. They could do a "Where in the World is Anderson" segment on the CNN show....see works perfectly.

Anywho, to answer goofee's query.

Winner: Dorothy
Mole: Heather
2nd place: Bill
3rd place: Al


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