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Originally posted by Catch 21 If the game is meaningless, why did the producers have the players play the game? Especially since theres no way the players would get the questions all right. This is day 1. |
Some other possible things. Right after the opening credits and the "Watch for clues about who is the Mole?" intro, they did the standard confessionals, wasnt one player, either Al or Bill (Al I think) absent? The resturaunt they ate at in the end had Al---- as its name. When discussing the first game, picking who would do it, Bill was the only player wearing sunglasses... As far as the first tracker game, the delay goes both ways, either Al was fiegning not gettting the go ahead and stalling or bill wasnt pressing the walkie talkie and acting like he was giving the go ahead, of course the editing makes Al look more suspicious.
Anyway, I'm sticking with Bill. I simply think Al's facetime and amount of editing to make him appear as both the most likeable loud guy and a possible Mole is too obvious, a convienant dichotomy. My instincts have me leaning towards the producers being slightly less blatant and going with Bill. |
Originally posted by DigIt Yeah, we get that: the game was unusually difficult. How does that mean that Al is the mole? |
If Al is the mole and the purpose of the mole is to prevent the group winning money. Why would he capture Heather to win the 50k, he could of easily not found her by walking around areas where there were no thumb prints. It is a little late in the game to be concerned with winning a few to make them think you're not the mole.
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Does anyone have a link to the picture clue? If I recall correctly, they put up AdMiraL. Now, this could be two things: Bill, who is a retired Admiral, and Al.
Also, at the end, guess who is holding the mole bait? Al. But, in the questioning at the end of the episode, Heather, Al, and Dorothy all say No. But, Bill called them liars and said he wasn't the mole. Go figure. One thing that I remember from the original mole: On the website, when they gave the original bios, all of the players gave vague answers except Kathryn Price. Her answer when asked if she was the mole: "No." |
Originally posted by quackers If Al is the mole and the purpose of the mole is to prevent the group winning money. Why would he capture Heather to win the 50k, he could of easily not found her by walking around areas where there were no thumb prints. It is a little late in the game to be concerned with winning a few to make them think you're not the mole. 2. Heather Quit. Pretty easy to catch someone who doesnt move. |
Originally posted by GoldenJCJ Oh man, Bill is so The Mole. -When Bill as "talking" to Al, Al somehow didn't get the messege to start. It would have been so easy for Bill to not press the button to communicate and then place blame on Al for not hearing him. Bill's hand is on the reciever .when Bill said "Haul ASS!" double up towards the tower" thats when HEATHER RAN .since HEather RAn that means his hand was on the reciever. thats when Al said "Copy that". which mean he heard bill too. But Al didnt move yet. then Al said who are you talking to? "thus putting Blame on Bill. rewatch the tape.. |
Originally posted by Catch 21 If the game is meaningless, why did the producers have the players play the game? Especially since theres no way the players would get the questions all right. This is day 1. Too bad about Bribs. He was one of my favorite characters. I saw that Anderson carried Bribs' bags to the car... has he done that with any of the other players' bags? |
Originally posted by Static Cling Because the producers wanted to screw with the players' heads. The producers wanted them to think their bags burned up... a little psych out on their part. Many of the situations that the producers have put the players in have been head games... this was one of the first of many. |
Originally posted by quackers Dorothy (Who), Al (is), Heather (the), Bill (Mole?) most likely meaningless but is interesting that they would reverse the order for everyone but Bill to have him on screen with the text "Mole?" underneath him. Bill was the fourth person to be asked if he was the Mole. And then the fourth in the "Who - is - the- Mole?" at the end. |
Originally posted by MarkHoltz But, in the questioning at the end of the episode, Heather, Al, and Dorothy all say No. But, Bill called them liars and said he wasn't the mole. Go figure. One thing that I remember from the original mole: On the website, when they gave the original bios, all of the players gave vague answers except Kathryn Price. Her answer when asked if she was the mole: "No." |
Originally posted by Static Cling Too bad about Bribs. He was one of my favorite characters. I saw that Anderson carried Bribs' bags to the car... has he done that with any of the other players' bags? |
I am sticking with Dorothy as the Mole. Even though I am starting to think it's Bill, I have suspected Dorothy since week 3 and I believe first impressions are the most important.
The evader/tracker game cost the show $100,000 so why didn't the mole do more to stop it? Obviously one of the two lookouts (Dorothy or Bill) is the mole because they had less opportunity to sabotage the game and it is interesting that Dorothy voted against the second round. |
Originally posted by Damfino I am sticking with Dorothy as the Mole. Even though I am starting to think it's Bill, I have suspected Dorothy since week 3 and I believe first impressions are the most important. The evader/tracker game cost the show $100,000 so why didn't the mole do more to stop it? Obviously one of the two lookouts (Dorothy or Bill) is the mole because they had less opportunity to sabotage the game and it is interesting that Dorothy voted against the second round. The example she used was in the final episode with Jim and Steve... the three were locked in their rooms and had to get to the lobby within a certain period of time and use whatever they had in their rooms to get out. Kathryn said she did everything she could to help them but they still managed to lose the game. My guess is if the mole was either the tracker or evader this game was too easily won... if Al is the mole he may have tried to sabotage it desperately but couldn't act like too much of a bumbler and just won them the money no matter. Interesting how he didn't want to vote for a second game... And I agree with you that Dorothy looked very suspicious this episode although I'm still sticking with Al as I did from the first episode. :) I'd like to see Dorothy win since she's obviously a strategic player even if she isn't the greatest athlete in the group. |
Originally posted by Catch 21 Yeah, we get that: the game was unusually difficult. How does that mean that Al is the mole? |
Ok. I ask this every week but haven't seen any replies... who do you think will be in the final three? Several weeks ago I said it would be Al, Dorothy, and Bill. I felt that Bribs and Bill were interchangeable but stuck with my instinct that Bill would win over and he (so far) did.
Al - mole Dorothy - winner Bill - 2nd place |
I agree that Al, Dorothy, and Bill will be in the top 3, but I don't think Al is the Mole. It's either Bill or Dorothy (probably the former), and whichever one of them ISN'T the Mole will be the one who wins the game.
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I don't know if this has been posted before (it was published 7/5/02), but hopefully they will go ahead with a Mole 3 for next summer.
http://www.realitynewsonline.com/article1979.html Mole's Ratings Suggest Possible Return by Susan Schechter Mole 2 has surprised some ABC execs with its ratings even in the face of stiff competition. Does this mean they made a mistake by pulling it the first time? More importantly, will the show return for a third go, and who will host it? There are many stories about TV execs who take off shows that should have been given another chance. These sad but true stories show that network execs should listen to their fans, and not take off shows that are cult hits. For a very recent example, we have The Mole 2. According to an article that ran on Baseline news wire last week, ABC is realizing that Mole 2 is a hit. Nearly 10 months after ABC scrapped the second installment of The Mole, the reality show is having the last laugh. The ratings are great. Viewers are watching. Surprise! Despite competition from the NBA Finals and Fox's red-hot talent search show American Idol, young viewers have made Mole 2 ABC's top-rated show among adults 18-49 for the last three weeks in June, according to Baseline. "I'm really encouraged," ABC reality exec John Saade says of the numbers. "There really seems to be a consistent fan base for the show." There have been some problems with the new show however. One of them, you guessed it, is keeping the secret of who the Mole actually is. According to Executive Producer David Stanley, it hasn't been too difficult. "Nobody on the show has been paid their winnings," said Stanley. "So there's a strong incentive to keep quiet." Ouch – the winner has had to sit around without his or her winnings for all this time? Saade says it's too early to tell whether there'll be a Mole 3, but the odds have certainly gone up in recent weeks. A decision will likely be made by this summer's end. The problem with the renewal could be the host, Anderson Cooper. He started working for CNN as anchor during The Mole's hiatus. Mole producer Scott Stone is confident if there is a Mole 3, Anderson Cooper will be the host. "Our sincere hope is that he can do both," he told Baseline. Certainly Cooper has been having fun with this version of the show, but he is replaceable. While many viewers would prefer to see him back, the also want the show to go on with or without Cooper. Also, here is a link to the many Mole articles that have appeared. http://www.sirlinksalot.net/mole.html Once again, sorry if this has been posted. On a side note, I have never tried to guess who the Mole is in either the Mole 1 or Mole 2. I just enjoy watching the players and the interaction between them. And when the Mole was revealed last year I was like "damn she made a great Mole". I think this year the Mole's performance will have been even better. I sure hope they do a Mole 3, because it is an intelligent show, where the players only have themselves to blame, if they are executed. None of this being voted off crap! Hopefully they will come out with a DVD of both seasons. Chris |
Originally posted by DigIt He's the only person left that there was a question about. I'm giving a reason for why Al is the mole. Using deductions, he's the only one left that there was a question about. |
Originally posted by Catch 21 Not if Al is the mole,the producers know who the mole is before day one. |
yes, they dont know who's going to be executed. Thats not what I'm trying to say. As of right now, using deductions from that game alone, Al is the only question which the producers chose to ask the players about. In which the producers knew the odds are the players would get the answer wrong. The burning bags was a distraction.
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Thanks for the article mrpayroll. The Mole is my favorite reality show for a variety of reasons. (It's smart, Anderson Cooper is cool, and it's fun to solve the mystery of who's the mole). It's good to see it gaining popularity.
Here are my predictions: Winner: Al Mole: Dorothy 2rd place: Bill 3th place: Heather |
Originally posted by Catch 21 yes, they dont know who's going to be executed. Thats not what I'm trying to say. As of right now, using deductions from that game alone, Al is the only question which the producers chose to ask the players about. In which the producers knew the odds are the players would get the answer wrong. The burning bags was a distraction.
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Thanks for that article, mrpayroll!!! I'm tempted to try out for Mole 3 if they decide to go ahead with it. My luck is if I get on the show I'll be the first executed. That would stink. :rolleyes:
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I would so go out for a Mole 3. I would have for Mole 2, but I actually know not a single person who owns a video camera.
If they did go forward with a three, they'd have to get Anderson back. Some of the best moments in the shows have been Anderson moments and he really seems to get to know the competitors. They could do a "Where in the World is Anderson" segment on the CNN show....see works perfectly. Anywho, to answer goofee's query. Winner: Dorothy Mole: Heather 2nd place: Bill 3rd place: Al |
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