rfduncan

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Terri was raped LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO?!?! She cannot possibly be pregnant and know about it that fast! I believe it has been alluded to that she must have conceived when she and Jack reconcilled upon Jack's return to the household after his affair with Nina. He had briefly moved out. I'm assuming it happened then. Again - there is no way the rape that occurred earlier in the day could have caused the pregnancy that was detected several hours later in the hospital (this is the same 24 hours, remember). If anything, Terri may have had an affair with her doctor friend during Jack's absence... now that is a remote possibility...

Rypro 525

Thanks for clearing that up. But, will teri tell jack that she was raped, or will she keep it to her self.

Static Cling

Good post, das. From what I understand, your suggestion is that we have a dated thread for every episode, and then one continuous thread for speculation. I'm not sure how one would separate speculation based on teasers/promos/foreknowledge that goes in the dated threads from pre-episode speculation that goes in the continuous speculation thread.

Maybe we need to put down the time that each show airs in the Eastern Time Zone in each thread title, so that people can do the math and realize when the speculation period is over? This seems like overkill to me, though. And hopefully this doesn't sound insensitive, but the three lost hours of speculation time for West Coasters that you brought up doesn't seem like a very big deal when you compare it with the seven days of speculation time they've had since the last episode.

Rico Diablo

Hoo boy this is getting out of hand.

das Monkey exclaimed:

Agreed. I don't go near the thread until I've seen the ep, which is often the next day. It's just common sense. Multiple threads on one episode is just clutter. If it's speculation, say so. If it's a spoiler, tag it. Nuff said.

das Monkey

Actually, no. Apologies for the confusion. I was thinking essentially like we've had it - if someone wants to speculate before an episode airs (but days after last week's discussion), then they should start a "speculation" thread for that episode, not one continuous speculation thread. In practice, there are very few shows where people are hellbent on speculating what may happen a few hours before the show airs.

In my mind, there's nothing wrong with erring on the side of more threads. A full day can go by before we fill the front page with new posts. In TV Talk, the shows of the past few days dominate discussion and then disappear. At any given time, there really aren't more than 20 active threads. I like the plan of one dated discussion thread for each episode, and then separate threads for other "stuff" people want to talk about in relation to that show, one of which could be speculation for a coming episode. It wouldn't bother me at all if the forum looked a bit like this:
[*] Buffy - 5/14/02[*] The Shield - 5/14/02[*] What Do You Think Will Happen in the 24 Finale?[*] Glory Be, The Funk's On Me, Bobble[*] Contract Information for Buffy 7th Season[*] 24 Format Likely to Remain the Same Next Season[*] Scrumtilescense: A Detailed Analysis[*] 24 - 5/14/02[*] Buffy Finale - Are You Ready?

Sure, there are multiple threads for the same show, but we're a low volume forum, so I don't see a problem.

In any case, I think the main goal should be to maintain the integrity of the episode discussion threads as the highest priority. It's where most of the people post and constitutes the majority of discussion on the forum. The more we can do to accomodate those who want to talk about teasers, those who REALLY don't want to know the content of teasers, those who want to speculate, those who tape/PVR delay, those who live on the Left Coast, etc, the happier I think we'll all be.

The argument I beat to death with teaser spoilers was that it was absurdly simple for someone to SPOILER tag a teaser, yet it helped many forum members enjoy the forum significantly more. I think the same applies here. Keeping speculation out of a thread that discusses the events that the speculation refers to is again a minor inconvenience (if that), but it will drastically improve the experience of many forum members. Keep in mind that I don't see a problem with speculation of a future episode in a thread about a current episode so long as it doesn't involve teaser information - it's when speculation bleeds into discussion of the events that constituted said speculation where the problem arises. It's the same effect as if you put the word *SPOILERS* in every thread title or SPOILER tag every post. No one knows what's really a spoiler and what's oversensitivity, and the SPOILER tag loses all effect.

Hopefully that makes more sense. Again, this isn't an issue that particularly matters to me, so if those who discuss speculation have input, feel free to share. I just figured this was a great opportunity for me to butt my head in where it doesn't belong and hijack a thread.

das

MvRojo

Um, it actually takes more than 10 hours to show signs of pregnancy.

And the family is back together again, so of course Jack and Teri are having sex again.

Matt

kevin75

just as an aside, i just read in people magazine that nina is going to be marrying mason. that is to say that those actors will be getting married. in case anyone cares.

huzefa

NOO!!! Doesn't he know she's the mole?!

Evolution

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Jeremy517

Yeah. Plot holes

Evolution

Well, I meant ideas that don't leave plot holes. As poor as I think the writing has been so far, I'll give the writers HUGE credit if they can actually explain all their "mistakes" in the last episode. By the way, my dad had the best idea... Jack and Palmer should've taken that call from Drazen right outside the bedroom... Jack should have thrown the phone through the doorway and Lady MacBitch could've been killed in the explosion. I would've laughed my ass off.

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Rypro 525

also if anyone is interested, lesile hope (who plays teri on 24) was on the loveline radio program last night (or on mon in the west coast.) the show got a call from some kid to try to get info from the last 2 episodes. she told him that they are not alowd to say any spoilers about the show. however, she did say that there were 3 versions of the finalie. she told him also that none of the actors know which episode will be shown.

nemein

I hope all of them are included on the DVD

Deftones

wow, very friggin cool episode. Nina being the mole was waaaay out in left field. I had a hunch it was Tony, but shows you how much I know.


Next weeks show info from spoiler, read at your own risk!


Damn, this show is hella hard keep up with all these plot twists.

movielib

"The following two hour finale of 24 takes place between 11:00pm and 12 midnight on the day of the California Presidential Primary. It will run at one-half real-time."

AJW

So I guess it's a safe bet that Nina won't be a part of the season 2 cast

huzefa

Okay, okay, no need to beat a dead horse!

iawiaw

It just doesn't make sense! Nina was all caring and stuff throughout the entire series and suddenly she acts so cool and uncaring, especially towards Terri. Wasn't Jack forced to kill her off but pushed her off the hill instead? What's up with that?! I sure the heck hope they're going to provide some kinna reasonable explaination. This coming out of the left field stuff is sooooo stupid ... unless it's logical. It just doesn't make any sense otherwise! Surprise for the sake of surprise is just plain stupid!

huzefa

As someone else already explained before in this thread, the whole 'getting jack to kill Nina' thing was Gaines' doing, not Drazen's. Maybe Gaines' did not know Nina was the 2nd mole inside CTU.

das Monkey

More likely, maybe the writers didn't know.

das

Draven

Lame.

BEYOND lame.

Nina has had so many opportunities to do something "mole-like" and she hasn't taken a single one.

The first thing that came to mind was that she could have easily killed the two agents at the safehouse and taken Kim and Teri back to the Drazens.

Instead, she's helped Jack screw with their plans all day. She helped him with the maps so he could stop the Drazens from getting Dennis Hopper back! How is this person a mole? She had NO idea that Jack would be unable to stop them from getting Dennis Hopper out.

At least Jamey was ACTIVELY doing things to hinder CTU (the keycard, sneaking off to talk to Gaines). Nina has been Lil Miss Helpful all day and NOW she's a bad guy? It's so obvious they HAD to make it someone we "trusted" and OH MY GOD IT'S NINA!?!?!

Whatever. I've stuck with this show all season, but it has truly been painful to watch since mid-season. I'll check out an ep or two next season, but I think I'm done with it.

Patman

Check out this USA Today article, and you'll see that the writers didn't decide to make Nina the mole until 7-8 episodes ago. Pretty lame is right.

On some other news, Xander Berkeley (George Mason) and Sarah Clarke (Nina) are engaged to be married in September. Way to go, Xander!

nemein

Not that they've shown but that was supposed to be the "big surprise".

Actually she did, she left the safe house before it as hit so as to keep her cover but still allow Kim/Terri to be captured. Tony just happened to come by and screw it up. IIRC

Actually this is one reason I thought Mason was it too. The mole put Jack in the situation where he could be picked up by the Drazens again.

Probably reaching in some aspects but w/o going back and rewatching everything it's hard to remember exactly how consistantly this all fits in JMO

dgmayor

As dissappointed as I am with them making Nina the second mole, I have to say that at no point in that article does it indicate that the writer's decided to do that 7 or 8 episodes ago. All it states is that she was TOLD 7 or 8 episodes ago. That doesn't mean they just decided it then. I tend to agree that they probably came up with it on the fly, but you can't make a statement of fact about it, because it doesn't say so in the article. >

iawiaw

I first thought the same too but read on ....

"Clarke says Nina's character turn tracks well with earlier plot developments, although producers didn't decide to make her the mole until Christmas."