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mikehunt 11-11-01 08:25 PM

X-Files 11/11
 
cary elwes is in it

Robert 11-11-01 08:47 PM

Did anyone else notice some wierd editing while John Dogget was talking to Skinner? It looked like they took out a portion of a line of dialogue he was saying.

mikehunt 11-11-01 08:57 PM

Spoiler:

lone gunmen, woo hoo
guess they escaped from their season/series finale


cartman 11-11-01 09:02 PM

I am REALLY disappointed in this.

"Where's Muldar?"

"He's just gone."

Lovely explination...

palebluedot 11-11-01 09:16 PM

This episode was craptacular. Was this the "how much can we show Lucy Lawless naked" episode(not that that's a bad thing).

As Jack Black would say..."so far...off to a bad start"

El-Stinko!

Gil Jawetz 11-11-01 09:56 PM

Just terrible. Who knows / cares what these characters are talking about? Am I supposed to remember what Reyes' was all about? Is she supposed to be a memorable character? After so many years of Mulder / Scully am I just supposed to be enthralled with Reyes / Doggett / Cary Elwes? Gimme a break.

Where's my season 4 set?

Patman 11-11-01 10:11 PM

Sigh...I'm afraid the writing on the first episode of this season wasn't too good.

Mulder just up and leaves, and Scully is so vague to Doggett that I just wanted to throw the remote at the TV. Give the viewers a little credit, please!

Brad seems to be a creep. Monica has a nice healthy sized libido, but it does leave her open to lots of unwanted attention within the FBI.

Doggett has the attention span of a gnat it seems. Skinner is pulled in too many directions of being a friend to the X-Files and still trying to keep his job.

Kersh is also creepy.

Lucy Lawless was, of course, mysterious, and menacing (how tall is she, anyway?).

edstein 11-11-01 10:19 PM

Lucy was the best in this episode. And she only had a couple of lines. She has some nice curves. more more more :)

Kal-El 11-12-01 12:25 AM

I thought it was a very typical X-Files premiere. Where you don't know what the hell's going on 'til the last 5 minutes of next week's episode.

Snake Plissken 11-12-01 01:04 AM

Season 8 started a little slow but during the second have really picked up. Now I consider season 8 one of the best seasons the X-Files ever had.

Season 8 was the series finale. It ended perfectly. The movies wouldve picked up nicely. Instead, we have this disaster. Season 9 is going to be so pathetic.

Chris Carter never imagined this would we last 9 years. He doesnt have a clue where to take the show anymore because hes used all his ideas already. Hes dragged everything out for so long that even he is confused.

dave955 11-12-01 01:05 AM

These are always hard to judge until the arc finishes, and even then it's sometimes better to reserve judgement to see if the whole thing ever goes anywhere (ANS: rarely ever does).

I thought this was better than I thought and it looked like some attention to detail was paid. e.g. Scully didn't just leave the baby at home / in unspecified child care

I agree the writers completely lamed out on the Mulder question. This could quickly become as annoying as last year's "is Mulder the father or not?" debacle.

Gil Jawetz 11-12-01 06:38 AM


Originally posted by Snake Plissken
Now I consider season 8 one of the best seasons the X-Files ever had.
Whoah! You better be able to back those words up, buddy!

Brian Shannon 11-12-01 07:55 AM

I was disappointed, not to mention lost in the story.

Skinner's a jerk? Sculley's afraid? Doggett is confused?

I'll keep watching only because there is nothing else on but I am really disappointed.

nemein 11-12-01 09:33 AM

Can anyone tell me how it finished up? My VCR cut off the last 10 mins because the game ran long :( The last scene I saw was Dogget going to the plant where the 2nd person was killed. TIA :D

palebluedot 11-12-01 09:45 AM


Originally posted by nemein
Can anyone tell me how it finished up? My VCR cut off the last 10 mins because the game ran long :( The last scene I saw was Dogget going to the plant where the 2nd person was killed. TIA :D
Spoiler:
Dogget and Skinner go to the plant to look for stuff from the second guy that was killed by Lucy Lawless. Dogget finds some files on Chlormine(they talked about it earlier in the show). Cary Elwes and crew show up and chase Dogget and Skinner. Dogget hides under water in one of the holding tanks and just when he is going to surface Lawless grabs his ankle and pulls him down...fade to black.

hongkongdvd 11-12-01 11:10 AM

In the first 2 minutes of the episode, was that Mulder in the shower and his luggage is on the floor in Scully's apartment?

Also, they should end X-files this season and start X-files 2020.
It will star William Scully (Dana's kid) as a new FBI agent w/ "unusual gifts". Occasionally, guess stars Mulder and Dana in old makeup. William discovers his birthright and have a face-off with the aliens in the great invasion. Just a thought!

Slumbering Fist 11-12-01 12:29 PM


Originally posted by edstein
Lucy was the best in this episode. And she only had a couple of lines. She has some nice curves. more more more :)

Originally posted by palebluedot
how much can we show Lucy Lawless naked" episode]

Sorry-Body double. Lawless confirmed herself in interviews. Said she was amused by the nakedness of the character, but there was no way she would have do nudity covered up or not, so she was doubled.

JCJF10 11-12-01 02:47 PM


Originally posted by hongkongdvd
In the first 2 minutes of the episode, was that Mulder in the shower and his luggage is on the floor in Scully's apartment?
My question as well... it would make sense.


Also, they should end X-files this season and start X-files 2020.
It will star William Scully (Dana's kid) as a new FBI agent w/ "unusual gifts". Occasionally, guess stars Mulder and Dana in old makeup. William discovers his birthright and have a face-off with the aliens in the great invasion. Just a thought!

I think Fox (the network not Mulder ;) ) should have this series animated by the Simpson's/Futurama folks! rotfl

Darq 11-12-01 04:40 PM

Summary
 
For those of you who missed the last 15 minutes due to football (like I did), here's a summary of the episode that I found somewhere.

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Nothing Important Happened Today

A man, later identified as Carl Wormus, is having a drink in a bar. He dips his fingers into his glass and removes the ice. A striking dark-haired woman, later identified as Shannon McManus, walks in and seats herself at the bar. Carl moves over to talk with her. He wants his drinks without water, but the bartender always gives him drinks "on the rocks," he tells her. He also mentions "Chloramine." After only a few moments of banter Shannon suggests that they go outside "for some air." They are soon zooming down the highway in his convertible, apparently going to her home out in the country. Carl slows as they approach a drawbridge because the bridge is rising. Shannon slams her hand down on his leg, flooring the accelerator. The car crashes through a barricade and falls into the water. Underwater, Shannon sits placidly in her seat as Carl struggles to release his seatbelt and swim to the surface. As he begins to rise out of his seat, Shannon grabs his ankle and holds him underwater.

It is 48 hours after last season's finale episode. Scully wakes early in the morning because little William is fussing. In the living room we see suitcases, all packed. The implication is that Mulder is also in the apartment, sleeping, and is preparing to leave. In rapid succession we see Doggett awake in his bedroom and Reyes awakened at her apartment by a phone call. The call is from Brad, an FBI assistant director who she once had a relationship with. He asks her to visit his office. Doggett makes coffee and hears a TV report of Carl's death. Brad is listening to the same report when he hears Monica in his outer office. His assistant was away and she was going to leave a note rather than knock on his door. He attempts to kiss her and she resists, surprising him because a couple of years ago in New York she used to ask him to close the door so them could kiss. Doggett's investigation of assistant director Kersh is causing waves, Brad tells her. He gives her two security tapes from the FBI building. One shows her meeting with Doggett. He doesn't immediately tell her the content of the other tape.

Doggett and Kersh meet each other on the elevator in the FBI building. Doggett says that his investigation is nothing personal. Kersh says that if Doggett can't find anything on him, nobody can. Doggett and Monica talk in the X-Files office. He's upset that he is just doing his job but is getting a lot of heat. Monica tells him that he may be unable to do his job – the second tape is from the FBI parking garage, where Doggett and Skinner were attacked, Knowle's car exploded and Skinner shot Krycek. The tape shows nothing but an empty garage. The garage has been cleaned of all evidence. Doggett goes to Mulder's apartment but it is vacant with all of Mulder's possessions removed.

At the Greater Maryland Water Reclamation Facility in Baltimore, Shannon emerges from a huge tank of water. She is nude. A plant worker, Roland McFarland, sees her fleetingly across the facility and walks to investigate. She grabs him and dives into the tank with him, pulling him deep underwater. Doggett arrives at Scully's apartment uninvited. The phone has been off the hook to keep from disturbing the baby and Doggett panicked that Scully may have disappeared also. Scully will not explain where Mulder went, just saying that he's gone. Monica talks with Skinner. She and Doggett have been unable to trace Mulder. Skinner doesn't know where Mulder is and probably wouldn't tell her if he did. Doggett arrives and Skinner asks Doggett to drop the investigation of Kersh. No, the bad guys didn't get to Skinner and he isn't afraid of them, but he is afraid for the lives of Mulder, Scully and the baby if the investigation continues. Doggett concludes that if he doesn't drop the investigation he's alone on it. Monica counters that she is still with him.

Later, Monica meets Brad in a bar. She asked him out and is much more receptive to him now – because she wants something from him. She says there isn't going to be an investigation of Kersh and it probably means that she will be going back to New Orleans. The X-Files was her dream assignment and she also implies that she wanted to be in Washington to be closer to Brad. Without saying it she is asking for his help to keep her assigned to the X-Files. Doggett goes to Scully's apartment uninvited again and asks for her help. She says she doesn't know how to find Mulder and that his disappearance makes sense in its own way. He brings up the claim about the super soldier project. She says the baby is fine and encourages him to drop it and when he resists she asks him to leave and not return. He leaves without pushing further.

Back home, Doggett works to track down and telephone several buddies from his Marine company, trying to find more information on what happened to Knowle after his discharge. One of them, seen in a photograph of the Marine company, is Shannon McMahan. He does not reach her. Monica passes Shannon in an FBI building hallway. Shannon is wearing FBI credentials. Monica goes to the X-Files office where she edits a report, breaking a pencil in the process. She gets up on the desk to retrieve pencils that are stuck in the ceiling, but hears someone in the hallway outside. The elevator door is just closing as Monica enters the hallway, but she finds an envelope containing the obituary of Carl Wormus.

Scully puts William down for a nap and lies down herself. She awakes to find star- shaped crib ornaments over William spinning slowly with William crying. Scully stops the ornaments from turning and when she releases them, they begin turning again. She phones Doggett and says she was wrong to ask him to drop the investigation. He vows that he hasn't, and that something has come up. Scully agrees to meet him and Monica at Quantico, leaving Maggie Scully watching William. Doggett has obtained Carl's body and wants Scully to do a thorough autopsy, even though tests show Carl was drunk when he drowned. Skinner calls Doggett to say that Doggett made a mistake when he obtained the body without jurisdiction. Skinner warns Doggett to watch his back. As Scully works with Monica watching, Doggett goes back home and meets with the Lone Gunmen. Langly's skin is still blue (see the Lone Gunmen series finale) and Frohike quips that they may need to charge Doggett to help their finances. They hack into various computer systems but can't find out anything about Carl, except that he had an obsession about water.

Scully concludes that Carl did, indeed, drown. Monica is impressed that Scully can do the autopsy all the while being concerned that something is wrong with her baby. Scully thinks maybe she's seeing connections that aren't really there. She discovers marks in Carl's ankle that spear to be from fingers, like someone was holding him underwater. Brad tells Kersh that Scully is at Quantico and Kersh asks Brad to handle it. Brad protests that he has a conflict – Monica – but Kersh can't do anything because he is under investigation. Shannon visits Scully's apartment but Maggie does not let her in. Shannon claims to work with Scully but when Maggie asks her name, Shannon disappears. Scully and Monica leave the autopsy room. The work is done and Scully needs to get home. They see Shannon following them. They don't know who she is, but Monica remembers her from the FBI office. Brad and a team of agents accost Scully and Monica and take them back to the examining room. The body is gone and Brad demands to know where Doggett took it. Monica denies that Doggett took it anywhere and suspects that Brad slipped them Carl's obituary to set Doggett up. This claim appears to confuse Brad.

Monica talks to the Gunmen, still at Doggett's. They have discovered that Carl was receiving encrypted e-mail from McFarland at the water reclamation facility. Doggett and Skinner have gone to Baltimore to investigate. They slip into the plant illegally and locate McFarland's desk, locating files mentioning Chloramine. Brad and the other agents storm into the plant. Skinner and Doggett have to run to avoid them, running through the catwalks with the other agents in pursuit. Skinner is slowed down when he bumps into a protruding pipe. Brad catches up and believes that Skinner is also there to apprehend Doggett, rather than because the two are working together. Doggett hides from Brad in the water tank. The Chloramine files slowly drift upward, but Brad cannot see anything due to the reflections on the water. Doggett feels his ankle grabbed and we see Shannon, nude again but obscured by the murky waste, pulling him downward deeper into the tank. To be continued.

Gil Jawetz 11-12-01 09:55 PM

I can't believe someone squeezed such a long summary out of such an uneventful episode.

Bright Cucumber 11-13-01 05:34 AM

I'm behind on the Lone Gunmen lore....
...so why was Langly's face blue?

-Bright Cucumber

JohnPhoenix 11-13-01 07:08 AM

I think it was because the lone gunmen show was cancelled. I mean they said

"Its not like we have anything better to do..."

and

"We might need you to lend us some coin..."

I thinks its Carters way of saying thanks a lot Fox.


Originally posted by Bright Cucumber
I'm behind on the Lone Gunmen lore....
...so why was Langly's face blue?

-Bright Cucumber


Patman 11-13-01 08:38 AM


Originally posted by Bright Cucumber
I'm behind on the Lone Gunmen lore....
...so why was Langly's face blue?

-Bright Cucumber

In the last Lone Gunmen episode (a cliff-hanger nonetheless), a blue paint bomb blew up in Langley's face (which produced many laughs from the other 3). And since there hasn't been much time pass from last season to the season opener, Langley was still covered witht he blue paint. I guess Jimmy is a goner as a backer of the Lone Gunmen, and Eve is off doing some other epsionage activities.

Pointyskull 11-16-01 01:06 PM

I thought the season opener didn't recap the end of last season well-enough. I've been watching the show from the first season, and damn if I could recall how DD Kirsch was involved in the whole goofy arc. Took me a while to get adjusted.

G. Noel Gross 11-16-01 01:15 PM


Originally posted by Patman
In the last Lone Gunmen episode (a cliff-hanger nonetheless), a blue paint bomb blew up in Langley's face (which produced many laughs from the other 3).
As I remember, he purposefully painted his face blue to fool some face-recognition security during a break in. It worked, but the whole thing turned out to be trap set by Michael McKean. Hence the cliffhanger.


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