Anyone else watching Cliche...I mean, Ellen?
 

Holy Cow there is nothing but terrible Cliche after terrible cliche in this show. A stinker!

i'm not watching, but i hope she keeps her mouth shut when she gets cancelled this time.

Gotta be tough for her ... she broke into the new ground and got fired ... now everyone else has come through and copied her original formula, so it seems stale when they finally bring her back. I'm no big Ellen fan, but she got screwed (har har).

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Broke new ground?

Her original show sucked so they went the "gay way" for ratings & publicity and she got both.

I would not feel sorry for her. She and her shows have gotten far more attention than they ever deserved.

What show on TV *isn't* a cliche these days? I watched the show. Started another thread on this not seeing yours. I thought it was great. What you call cliche is just Ellen's schtick. Taking ordinary situations and magnifying him. Poking fun at herself. She's been that way forever. In her stand-up, movies, etc. If that's not your bag, of course you're not going to like the show. Or her. I think fans of her work will be pleased.

I don't know what you are comparing the old Ellen show to. Wonderfully stale shows like Bob Patterson, My Three Sisters or whatever it's called,Titus, According to Jim, My Wife and Kids, Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, Grounded for Life, Nikki (Well, there are 2 good reasons to watch Nikki)...etc,?

That's a WHOLE lot of bad TV. The old Ellen show was nowhere near that bad and it actually was quite good from time to time. I loved the supporting cast and enjoyed spending time "with them."

The show had a few big holes, but I think if the gay thing HADN'T happened it might have found its way. I really never understood why it was cancelled in the first place. But I didn't understand that either with even better shows like Freaks and Geeks and Newsradio, which was never as good without Phil Hartman but was still better than ANY of the comedies listed above....by a ton.

The new Ellen show really seemed cheesy and the supporting cast seems aimed for CBS' older demographic which doesn't help. I do, however, think Ellen is quite funny and hope they give her show's writers and producers at least the whole year to try and find a better way to use her talent/comedy in a sitcom. She is very funny and after living with Anne Heche and her several personalities I'm kind of hoping this works out for her.

So, the first show a C+, but I'll watch it for a while and see if it improves. If it stays with all the slapstick and cliches and Ellen trying to be Lucy, then I'm out of there. Let her be herself and have a few more people under 50 on the show and maybe it will surprise everyone by mid-season. I hope.

I thought Ellen herself was as funny and charming as ever, in her awkward way. And I thought the supporting cast was fine, although they're much less hip than the last show. It all seems very old-fashioned.

What kills it for me--and why I probably won't tune in again--was the godawful overblown laugh track. They're insulting.

Yeah, I too miss the supporting cast from her first show. Well, save for Audrey. Who was kind of funny at the beginning. But just plain painful at the end. I even liked the first set of friends from the first season ("These Friends of Mine"). But the writing on "Ellen" got a little WB towards the end. And to those who are going to tune out if Ellen doesn't ease up on the physical comedy better tune out now. She's said a million times that she's a huge Lucy fan and enjoys doing that. As long as it's not tedious and done every five minutes, I don't think it's a problem. But you will see her do this at least once each episode.

Ellen Degenerate= Not funny....

Degenerate (slapping knee), good one mee2! If her show was half as funny as you! :rolleyes:

I started this thread halfway through the show and it was awful. I do have to say though, that the last half was much better. You are correct (as is Daytripper), that when she stuck to her "stand up" routine stuff, she was great.

As a comic, I have always loved Ellen because she beats a dead horse, but I also like Emerill because he is a great cook. Hopefully, their shows reflect more of them, and less crap. I also agree that Ellen's supporting cast was not very good, especially considering they have the talent to be good. Hopefully it will improve.

I really liked the first Ellen show, though I didn't really watch much of the last season as I was travelling a lot. Does this new show center around her being gay or is it just a normal comedy? I absolutely could not stand Normal, Ohio as it was just a bunch of cheesy gay jokes one after the other.

I read somewhere that Ellen (and everyone at CBS) agreed that the "gay thing" would take a backseat. She just wanted to get that out of the way since she felt no one would buy her being straight anyway. Especially after her much publicized coming out. I highly doubt you'll see any gay themed shows. Especially after her last show turning so "in your face" with it's themes. A lesson even she had to have learned. I thought her coming out last night was done in a light, non-offensive and tasteful way. And will make for some funny scenes with her dodging that scary gym teacher in future episodes. I also agree with several people that the first episode was somewhat stiff. But ALL first shows are like that. It takes a few episodes before any show gets it's footing. And although I liked the first cast on her other show more, this cast *does* have potential. Cloris Leachman is one of the greats. Martin Mull can be pretty damn funny too. Give them time as well.

Daytripper, do you really think she's funny?

What about you? Do you really think she's a "degenerate" or was that just your wacky sense of humor? And if so, why is she a degenerate? Because she's not funny in your eyes or because of another possible reason? Because if so...

Exactly! What's with the name calling? Isn't that a bit juvenile? And to answer your question mee2....yes, I *do* think she's funny. I think her stand-up and writing are brilliant. Like Badger, I too would like to know why felt the need to call her a degenerate.

My wall had the same posters as Ellen's! Of course, I'm a guy...

I think Cloris Leachman is fine and Martin Mull is often hilarious and a scene stealer, but so far the backbone of her supporting cast looks like they came from Diagnosis, Murder. I'm just saying that I think it would help to add some younger people for Ellen to surround herself with. It worked, for the most part, with her first show and I think it would help here too.

Doesn't CBS want SOME people under 50 to watch their shows...besides CSI and their reality shows????

Also it won't help Ellen's show that it's going to be up against the Mole 2 (on this night I'll watch the Mole, tape Ellen, and tape the Buffy F/X episode when it re-airs at 4pm Monday) and Dark Angel and has the Danny Show (will maybe last a month) right after it.

The should dump Becker already and plop Ellen on right after Everybody Loves Raymond.

Ok, i'll give you the definition of "degenerate"....

...which basically sums up my feelings on her career.

mee2, still not funny. Don't quit your day job. How about looking up hebetudinous now. Which basically sums up your participation in this thread.

JaseXF3, you on the other hand I find amusing. "Diagnosis Murder"...too funny. And you're absolutely right, I never thought of it that way. It is true, CBS really does gear most of their shows to the seniors. I also agree with you that "The Ellen Show" would be a great fit behind "Raymond" on Monday nights. CBS clearly has some kind of faith in the show for previewing it on their biggest night. Don't you agree?

Also, this show could have potential if everyone would give it a chance because it was co-created and written by the immensely talented Carol Liefer. Also a very funny (former) stand-up. She also co-wrote "Seinfeld" for many seasons.

My comments are because I don't like Ellen. I don't even get why people start or contribute negative feedback when they don't even like the person starring in a show. What a surprise you didn't like it!!!

Still, of course, CBS has high hopes for it. Ellen, unlike Bette or other vehicles for celebrities actually has a chance. But you have to wonder how much CBS influences Ellen. They made her change the title from Ellen Again to just plain and uninspired the Ellen show...despite protests from Ellen, herself.

And I don't really like the idea of Ellen doing Lucy. I know Ellen loves Lucy, so do I. But being influenced by someone doesn't mean you need to try and be that person on your show. I really think the show will live or die on where CBS puts it on their schedule and if people want to tune in an watch Ellen do her thing with an older group of people. I, personally, think she'd be funnier with some younger people on the show. As well, her time slot suggests they are only interested in an older (really old) audience. The Danny Show has less of a chance than does the Emeril Show or Bob Patterson....zzzzzz.....and the young crowd will be watching the Mole 2 and Dark Angel.

If they keep it where it is, I must admit, I won't be watching either. I still think Ellen is very funny and, yes, Carol Leifer won't let this show suck. But getting it on when more people would be willing to give it a chance would help. But who knows, the older crowd has kept a lot of shows going...so if that's all they want, maybe Ellen can be a hit on Friday. If my grandparents weren't already dead, I know it's what they'd be watching. Ok, grandma might want Providence but Grandpa always controlled the remote.

Well pardon me for bursting your bubble by responding to a thread that basically asked for opinions. I don't find the
wo-man the least bit funny, i even tried watching her HBO specia, i honestly triedl.
If you can't keep other's opinion's from upsetting you then you should take a break from forums, it'll be murder on you blood pressure.

Carry on.....

I have to chime in and say that I, also, was not watching Ellen even before she "came out of the closet". Gay or screwing the Green Bay Packers, she's still NOT FUNNY. She's not talented, she's not entertaining, she's not interesting, she's not attractive, and what personality she shows is abrasive. I don't care about anything related to her no matter what her sexuality.

And, BTW, Ellen Degenerate= funny. Old, but funny. Political correctness takes away SO many good jokes.

Seems like you are the one who is upset.

I don't mind your opinion, but I doubt anyone that posts here seriously believes calling Ellen a "degenerate" is really appropriate or, in any way, helpful or constructive to the thread.

I'm guessing the person who started it wanted people to share their feelings, both positive and negative, about the show....not about Ellen as a person.

And I reiterate, that it seems pretty likely that if you don't like the wo-man (another juvenile knock on Ellen, herself), that you probably weren't going to like the show.

Maybe you should take a break, yourself, and do something that takes up some of the free time that you feel you need to spend posting to threads when you really have nothing at all to contribute or just because you feel like trying to incite people into needless debate.

Or you can go back to your trusty dictionary and look up words for the evening. You seem to be good at that...just don't share the words and their definitions here. That would be nice.

I admit it, i was bored. My day at work was just dragging until Daytripper lightened up my day.
And she's still not funny, i gave her a chance but she can't even bring on a smile from me.
Now tell me a little about yourselves?

Oh my! Since when is merely name calling an "opinion" anyway? It was quite clear from the get go M2 that you don't like Ellen OR her show. So just why are you here?

So glad *I* lightned up your day. If only you knew how much you did mine.

"Wo-man" indeed. Tom Green fan?