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Old 08-29-18, 01:15 PM
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8K TV's -- Are you ready for them?

https://www.cnet.com/news/8k-tv-what-you-need-to-know/





What is 8K?
A traditional HDTV from a few years ago is 1080p, which means it has 1,920 pixels horizontally, and 1,080 vertically. Many digital cinema projectors -- the ones in movie theaters -- have a resolution of 2,048×1,080. Because it's common in Hollywood-speak to only refer to the horizontal resolution, they call that "2K" but it's basically the same as the HDTV 1080p you have at home.


The term "4K" comes from the digital cinema side, too, with a horizontal resolution of 4,096, hence "4K." However, on the TV side, manufacturing efficiencies meant we got double the horizontal and vertical resolutions of 1080p HDTV, so 3,840 by 2,160. Everyone colloquially calls this "4K," though the technical term is Ultra HD. This has four times as many pixels as 1080p HD.

Which brings us to 8K. You guessed it: twice the horizontal and vertical resolution of 4K, for a whopping 7,680 by 4,320 and 33,177,600 total pixels. Not only is that 4 times the resolution of 4K, that's an incredible 16 times more pixels than 1080p.



Do you need 8K?
Not even a little.

As we've explained many times with 4K TVs, there's a point of diminishing returns when it comes to resolution. The human eye can only see so much detail, and extra pixels beyond what you can discern are basically wasted. To get anything out of higher resolutions and their proportionally tinier pixels, you need to sit closer, get a bigger TV, or both.

It's rare that anyone gets a large enough TV -- or sits close enough to one -- to justify the need for 4K resolutions. 8K is excessive overkill… at least for a TV. If you're talking about massive theater-size screens like Samsung's Wall or Sony's CLEDIS, 8K would be amazing. But since 4K is hard to discern when comparing to a 1080p TV, 4K to 8K from 10 feet away will be pretty much impossible.


What about content?
Without 8K content, an 8K TV is just a 4K TV with a few thousand dollars stuck to it with masking tape. Samsung talked up fancy "AI" upscaling technology on the Q9S, designed to improve the look of mere 4K and 1080p sources on an 8K screen. But to get the most out of all those 33 million-plus pixels, the incoming source needs to be 8K too.

There are 3 main aspects to getting any new format viewable in your home: the content itself, transmission, and playback. The Samsung 8K TV and others that will surely follow represent the playback side, i.e. the TV or projector in your home. That's the easy part.

Content is tougher. First off, there are only just a few cinema cameras capable of capturing 8K. Japan's NHK has been dabbling, and will likely transmit a significant portion of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics in 8K. There has been some 8K content shot at the last several Olympics, so expect even more. There are a handful of channels on YouTube that showcase 8K content, mostly nature documentaries and the like.

Red, one of the main camera companies used for Hollywood movies, has several models that can record in this resolution, as do a few others. Interestingly, there have already been feature films shot in 8K. "Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2" was the first, followed by "Mortal Engines," "The New Mutants," and a few others that are upcoming. Creating 8K content is a bit more challenging, as the cost for these cameras, plus the computers and storage capable of dealing with hundreds of terabytes, if not multiple petabytes of information, do not come cheap.


I watched CNET's podcast about this today and the editor said that no one right now needs this right now. It doesn't have any support right now content wise and there is only so much the human eye can see from an improvement standpoint.

I know there are many here who haven't even upgraded to 4K yet.


I think it's probably going to be several years before the U.S. can even start supporting the content. TV shows are still shot in 1080p and most still in 720p.
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Old 08-29-18, 03:54 PM
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Re: 8K TV's -- Are you ready for them?

Either live sports in 8K or porn in 8K ?

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Old 08-29-18, 04:20 PM
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So stupid. I'm trying to figure out how big the screen needs to be for 8K to start to be worthwhile (or how close you have to sit and I'm kinda stumped).

I got to use a 65" 4K TV for 3 months, and basically saw no difference in it over 1080p at standard viewing distance with normal video content (though from 3-5 feet away it looked amazing!). I think 4K makes a lot more sense once you get into 75-85" sizes... but does that mean 8K is only worthwhile on 105" screens?
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Old 08-29-18, 05:29 PM
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While many will complain or argue etc about 8K let me just say that I am happy that finally America has adopted and accepted super high resolution. For years we been behind in the spectrum of resolution when it came to Televisions while our neighbors (other countries) had higher resolution than us.

It's about damn time.

Bring on 12K!
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Stupid, needless and overly expensive. But, for the 0.01% of pros who could actually benefit from them, sure. Only the most modern (garbage) movies would even see an 8k release, anyway.

There are still hundred of classic ('40s - '80s) movies I'm still hoping will get a DVD release, let alone a Blu-ray or 4k release, so 8k is a hopeless case of mental masturbation, a needless exercise in capitalistic fancy and excess.
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I barely have 1080p eyes. so, no.
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Stupid, needless and overly expensive. But, for the 0.01% of pros who could actually benefit from them, sure. Only the most modern (garbage) movies would even see an 8k release, anyway.

There are still hundred of classic ('40s - '80s) movies I'm still hoping will get a DVD release, let alone a Blu-ray or 4k release, so 8k is a hopeless case of mental masturbation, a needless exercise in capitalistic fancy and excess.
Yeah, companies should really just stop developing new technology completely.
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I haven't upgraded to 4K yet, though we're thinking about it if there's a good deal on Black Friday. I just think the point of diminishing returns must be close to zero by now. I mean, how much better can it actually get?

That said, I remember a moment in the mid-90s when I thought video game graphics couldn't get any better. I mean, some were like real people! Others which were cartoony actually looked like hand-drawn animation! How could it get any better and do we need it to?

So yeah, I don't always know what I'm talking about. My wife could tell you that.
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We can't even get OTA 4k broadcast TV yet (although that is coming with ATSC 3.0). That's taken fucking forever. 8k is essentially worthless for another 10 years.
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Yeah, companies should really just stop developing new technology completely.
How about improving technology that already exists? Remember when your old, clunky Sony CRV TV lasted 30 years, and was still running perfectly when you threw it out?

That's what we need some company to do now: make a totally robust, indestructible 1080p OLED set that isn't made on the cheap, and will last more than three years. They won't do it because there's no residual income in it for them. Planned obsolescence is the rule these days, and it's incredibly wasteful, greedy, and non-eco friendly. Brand loyality means very little, excepting perhaps Apple products and Oppo products (which has just stopped producing Blu-ray players).

So who needs 8k when 1080p still has a long ways to go?
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Old 08-31-18, 02:43 AM
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Wonder xbox1 or ps4 will introduce a new updated version which can handle 8K screens.
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How about improving technology that already exists? Remember when your old, clunky Sony CRV TV lasted 30 years, and was still running perfectly when you threw it out?

That's what we need some company to do now: make a totally robust, indestructible 1080p OLED set that isn't made on the cheap, and will last more than three years. They won't do it because there's no residual income in it for them. Planned obsolescence is the rule these days, and it's incredibly wasteful, greedy, and non-eco friendly. Brand loyality means very little, excepting perhaps Apple products and Oppo products (which has just stopped producing Blu-ray players).

So who needs 8k when 1080p still has a long ways to go?
I've been buying HDTV's since 2005 and have never had one crap out. I replace them only because technology improves, they get bigger, and price lowers. 1080p is already an outdated technolgy. I'd much rather have 8k on the horizon than have technology stagnate.
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Wonder xbox1 or ps4 will introduce a new updated version which can handle 8K screens.
I am pretty sure they can't handle those resolutions. I'm not even sure the next versions of those machines released in the future would be able to, either.
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Wonder xbox1 or ps4 will introduce a new updated version which can handle 8K screens.
No. 8K is a gimmick. There is no benefit for normal people. Plus it will be years if every these become mainstream. They new version of both systems while be long in the tooth by then.
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No. 8K is a gimmick. There is no benefit for normal people. Plus it will be years if every these become mainstream. They new version of both systems while be long in the tooth by then.
The only gimmick is that few offerings will be observable with an 8K.

But this has always been the Achilles Heel of technology. One side brings out a superior format...but nobody makes shit to enjoy it until way further down line...when then another new format takes over.

Too many companies dragging their knuckles and waiting for the other guy to come out with something first, then riding the coat tails of that following.
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I certainly believe that very few will get any benefits from moving to 8K, especially for a consumer product, but it makes sense that manufacturers would continue to develop higher resolution displays. HDR is more impactful then 4K itself, so i'm more interested to see what comes along in conjunction with just 8K displays.
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Yes, very ready
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No. 8K is a gimmick. There is no benefit for normal people. Plus it will be years if every these become mainstream. They new version of both systems while be long in the tooth by then.

That is what they probably said for 4k.

It just seems when you add a number to it it will become dated faster.

"You have a 8K? I have a 32K TV"

BTW what is the size of the LG Screen pictured above?
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BTW what is the size of the LG Screen pictured above?
I'd guess 75". Looks taller than 65, but I think 85 would dwarf those women.
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Wonder xbox1 or ps4 will introduce a new updated version which can handle 8K screens.
8K... but still 30fps.
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As soon as I bought a 1080p TV they announced 4K TVs. Now I just bought a 4K TV and they announce 8K TVs. You're welcome world.
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TV shows and sports aren't going to start being shot in 8K anytime soon. They still aren't even being shot in 4K, but some sports are being shot in 4K.
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That is what they probably said for 4k.

It just seems when you add a number to it it will become dated faster.

"You have a 8K? I have a 32K TV"

BTW what is the size of the LG Screen pictured above?
Eventually biology is the limiting factor. The human eye can only be so good. 8K might be beyond normal human vision.
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I don't even care about 4K, they'll probably have implants by the time I become remotely interested in 8K.

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This video makes me sad. It makes my dog sadder because he doesn't see in color OR 4K.
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