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Old 07-28-19, 08:45 PM
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Since I unchecked "Use hardware acceleration when available" a couple of days ago I have not experienced a crash.
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Re: Good old fast Firefox is back

Finally decided to take the plunge, installed the latest version of FF on my desktop PC a couple of days ago. I've been trying to tweak it as much as I dare, based on research, I think I have about as much done as I can safely do without breaking something. Installed AdBlock and uBlock Origin (as much as I've ever needed), no other add-ons.

My only complaint with FF is the amount of time it takes a page to come up from scratch. Once I get a page up, subsequent pages are fast, but that first page takes 10 to 15 seconds to fully load.

Granted I'm on an older computer, many of you probably have no issues whatsoever. To any of you who experience similar issues as this, is there a tweak that will lessen the amount of time it takes that first page to fully load?

Thanks!
Old 08-26-19, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by kd5 View Post
My only complaint with FF is the amount of time it takes a page to come up from scratch. Once I get a page up, subsequent pages are fast, but that first page takes 10 to 15 seconds to fully load.
I usually wait around 20-30 seconds for the browser's cpu usage to plunge to almost zero (watching taskmanager), before actually looking at any web pages. The initialization procedure can be very cpu intensive.
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^ So, I'm not the only one. I don't know if I should be relieved or even more frustrated than I already am...
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Originally Posted by kd5 View Post
I think I have about as much done as I can safely do without breaking something. Installed AdBlock and uBlock Origin (as much as I've ever needed), no other add-ons.
You don't need Adblock if you already have uBlock Origin.
Old 08-30-19, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by morriscroy View Post
I usually wait around 20-30 seconds for the browser's cpu usage to plunge to almost zero (watching taskmanager), before actually looking at any web pages. The initialization procedure can be very cpu intensive.
See, that's my quandry. Loading of websites, from scratch, should be *immediate*, not 20 seconds! Are you on an SSD, with your browser cache set to a RAMDRIVE? There's no reason for the initial pages to take so long to load, other than well obscured bloat.

I remember in the IE6 days, pages loaded right away, within one second of browser startup, on an old core2duo system, with slow ATA hard drive, and no ramdrive, with total system RAM of "only" 4 GB. And further, with NO adblockers, since they didn't exist yet.

And now, 10 years later, we have a "fast" Firefox, which takes 15-20 seconds to load initial pages. That's progress?? Give me a fucking break! I'll take the bad old internet browsers any day (even WITH security risks!).
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And now, 10 years later, we have a "fast" Firefox, which takes 15-20 seconds to load initial pages.
Majority of the sites load up fast for me, I've never encountered 15-20 secs of waiting.

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Originally Posted by zyzzle View Post
See, that's my quandry. Loading of websites, from scratch, should be *immediate*, not 20 seconds! Are you on an SSD, with your browser cache set to a RAMDRIVE? There's no reason for the initial pages to take so long to load, other than well obscured bloat.

I remember in the IE6 days, pages loaded right away, within one second of browser startup, on an old core2duo system, with slow ATA hard drive, and no ramdrive, with total system RAM of "only" 4 GB. And further, with NO adblockers, since they didn't exist yet.

And now, 10 years later, we have a "fast" Firefox, which takes 15-20 seconds to load initial pages. That's progress?? Give me a fucking break! I'll take the bad old internet browsers any day (even WITH security risks!).
If the internet still supported them I'd use them myself. Hell, IE6 was FAST compared to the shit we have to deal with today. I remember IE6 on a 2.8ghz P4 with a gb of memory, PATA drive, Windows XP. Pages loaded almost instantaneously.

Not anymore...
Old 08-30-19, 09:43 PM
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Yeah... wasn't it great in the "bad old days?"

Wax nostalgic for those days of yore!
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(From an historical perspective).

This recent conversation reminds of the days when some folks would be timing how fast Micro$oft Windoze 95/98/ME/XP would boot up. Some folks would even brag about how fast their boot up times were.

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Originally Posted by zyzzle View Post
See, that's my quandry. Loading of websites, from scratch, should be *immediate*, not 20 seconds! Are you on an SSD, with your browser cache set to a RAMDRIVE? There's no reason for the initial pages to take so long to load, other than well obscured bloat.
Sorry I wasn't more clear.

The 20 seconds is immediately after invoking Firefox. (ie. After double clicking on the Firefox icon on the desktop).

How fast a particular web page loads, is a whole entirely different matter.
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Originally Posted by morriscroy View Post
How fast a particular web page loads, is a whole entirely different matter.
With my current Firefox configuration, most web pages take around 5-15 seconds to initially load, which I'm willing to live with.

I deliberately force Firefox to do a new IP lookup with each url being accessed, instead of using a cached copy of the IP lookups.

I also deliberately force Firefox (via HttpsEverywhere addon) to do an https connection on any and all urls. If the https version isn't available, HttpsEverywhere will put up a screen asking whether you want to "downgrade" to the non-encrypted http version of the page.

These and other measures, will significantly add seconds to loading a web page.
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Originally Posted by Sonic View Post
You don't need Adblock if you already have uBlock Origin.
On a web page (doesn't matter which page), AdBlock caught 10, uBlock Origin caught 17. Disabling AdBlock and refreshing the page, uBlock Origin caught 17. Obviously, having AdBlock enabled as well blocked 10 additional ad-related things, I think I'll keep both.
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Originally Posted by morriscroy View Post
(From an historical perspective).

This recent conversation reminds of the days when some folks would be timing how fast Micro$oft Windoze 95/98/ME/XP would boot up. Some folks would even brag about how fast their boot up times were.

That's still going on. Typical fanboy response / brag:

"Look! I just got a Samsung 970 NVME SSD! Now I can boot Windows 10 in only 5 seconds on my tricked out i9 overclocked to 5 Ghz! I'm so l337!!" etc etc,
Old 09-08-19, 11:32 AM
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Now that the cat is recently out of the bag, another set of modifications I've been using for awhile on FirefoxNightly is dns over https.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozill...er-this-month/


https://blog.mozilla.org/futurerelea...s-the-default/
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/05/a-...ns-over-https/
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/04/02/co...ps-in-firefox/

In about:config

network.trr.mode = 3
network.trr.uri = https://mozilla.cloudflare-dns.com/dns-query
network.trr.bootstrapAddress = 1.1.1.1
network.security.esni.enabled = true


network.trr.mode set to 3 will always use dns-over-https without falling back to normal unencrypted dns

network.trr.mode set to 2 will fall back to normal unenrypted dns if dns-over-https fails.
Old 09-08-19, 11:36 AM
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If you want to test whether dns over https is functioning, you can try the test page:

https://www.cloudflare.com/ssl/encrypted-sni/

(In noscript, you might have to activate all scripts temporarily).
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Thank you. Only change I made was to use my local IP address for my "Pi-Hole" device for network.trr.bootstrapAddress . It uses the 1.1.1.1 DNS service but not sure if it overrides the network.trr.uri setting. I did "test" the DNS over https and it now passes all four tests. Will see if ads and teh like are still blocked using the pi-hole settings/list.
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Thank you. Only change I made was to use my local IP address for my "Pi-Hole" device for network.trr.bootstrapAddress . It uses the 1.1.1.1 DNS service but not sure if it overrides the network.trr.uri setting. I did "test" the DNS over https and it now passes all four tests. Will see if ads and teh like are still blocked using the pi-hole settings/list.
I haven't used pihole yet. (The last time I use anything similar on linux, was the junkbuster back in the day).

I've been doing the poor man's version of this on windows 7 and 10 over the years, which involves editing the /etc/hosts file by adding in blacklisted hostnames to redirect to 127.0.0.1

My current blacklist is from the comprehensive giant hpHosts lists: https://hosts-file.net/?s=Download

Apparently, dns-over-https completely bypasses my blacklists in /etc/hosts


So the kludge I've been using with dns-over-https in recent months, is to import the individual blacklists into uBlockOrigin and to turn off any prefetching. In about:config

network.dns.disablePrefetch = true

network.predictor.enabled = false
network.prefetch-next = false

So uBlockOrigin in FF now does the blacklisting of hostnames, with or without dns-over-https. (For paranoid backup purposes, I also still keep my /etc/hosts with the blacklists stuff redirected to 127.0.0.1 )
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morriscroy....I wanted to say thank you for posting these in a simple, easily understandable form so pretty much anyone can understand.

Too often I see folks try and impress others with their knowledge, self perceived in many cases, and try to ridicule or embarass others that can't follow.
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Firefox 70 was released today. It comes with blocking social media tracking and a bunch of other new features.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/10/22/mozilla-firefox-70/
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I'm also liking the new updated firefox logo.
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Apparently Firefox has a thing against DVD Talk, earlier today I'm typing away in a response to a thread, had 2 other tabs open, and Firefox just vanished. Closed for no apparent reason. Since I was pretty far along in my post I just got pissed and walked away from my computer cursing. Firefox is definitely not endearing itself to me.
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Apparently Firefox has a thing against DVD Talk, earlier today I'm typing away in a response to a thread, had 2 other tabs open, and Firefox just vanished. Closed for no apparent reason. Since I was pretty far along in my post I just got pissed and walked away from my computer cursing. Firefox is definitely not endearing itself to me.
If you are having major issues with Firefox I recommend a fresh installation.
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Originally Posted by kd5 View Post
Apparently Firefox has a thing against DVD Talk, earlier today I'm typing away in a response to a thread, had 2 other tabs open, and Firefox just vanished. Closed for no apparent reason. Since I was pretty far along in my post I just got pissed and walked away from my computer cursing. Firefox is definitely not endearing itself to me.
That sounds more like a crash than anything, and is likely more related to your PC than the browser itself.

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Re: Good old fast Firefox is back

Yeah, Firefox does tend to be a memory hog. If you were running other programs, they might have overwhelmed your system and caused Firefox to crash and shut down. Usually, Windows 10 will throw up a message that says you're running low on system resources and need to stop running some of the programs.

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