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Old 05-08-16, 04:39 PM
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Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has A Serious Problem

Don't let the title fool you. The reality is, M$ released an update to fuck you over for not updating to Windows 10.
Earlier this year Microsoft warned users that Windows 7 has serious problems. I dismissed its claims as a desperate attempt to shift copies of Windows 10 (and I still do), but now Microsoft has warned of a new serious Windows 7 problem that is very real – even though it makes no sense whatsoever…

In short: Microsoft has made a seemingly small yet completely bizarre tweak to Windows Update on Windows 7 and confirmed it is crippling many users’ PCs.

The tweak? It switched the status of Windows 7 update KB3133977 from ‘Optional’ to ‘Recommended’. The bizarre part? Despite acknowledging the problems, Microsoft knew they would occur in advance and it has no plans to do anything about it.
Ok, let’s put some meat on these bones.

PCs That Suddenly Won’t Start

It all centres around Asus motherboards.

Now 27 years old, Asus is one of the largest PC component makers and supplies motherboards to many of the world’s biggest PC makers. Recently it enabled Secure Boot in UEFI on all its motherboards. This wasn’t a problem for older PCs because Windows 7 didn’t support Secure Boot, that is until KB3133977 came along in March and enabled it.
Initially the fallout was small. Asus confirmed the problem, Microsoft confirmed the problem. But the best news was KB3133977 was an optional Windows 7 update so it had to be manually installed to take effect. The solution was simple: just steer clear of KB3133977 (aka do nothing) and you’d be fine.

Then last month – for some bizarre reason – Microsoft made KB3133977 a ‘Recommended’ update. The result was every user running Windows 7 and default Windows Update settings (the vast majority) would find the update now installed automatically.

And then everyone with an Asus motherboard was hit.

A Global Problem

As InfoWorld’s Windows expert Woody Leonhard notes “I’m now seeing problems reported from all over the globe about Windows 7 machines that suddenly won’t boot”. Affected machines simply show a red box which says:



All of which does nothing to pinpoint the problem or solve it for those without a second secured boot device. In short: you’d be screwed.

The Good News And Staying Safe

The good news is Asus has now issued a workaround to get PCs booting up again. Furthermore Asus must take some of the blame for not reacting faster when KB3133977 presented a potential landmine and issuing new updates to its motherboards.

How do you know if you have an Asus motherboard in your Windows 7 PC? Go to: All Programs > Accessories > System Tools and select System Information. This will list your PC’s components, including the motherboard.

One downside: some major PC makers like Dell and HP rebrand the motherboard as the computer’s model number. In which case you should do a web search on your model or call the manufacturer directly.

The Bad News And What Comes Next

As for the bad news? It’s Microsoft’s reaction.

On the plus side, Microsoft did update the support document for KB3133977 with a warning which states: “After you install update 3133977 on a Windows 7 x64-based system that includes an Asus-based main board, the system does not start”.

But Microsoft also uses the document an opportunity to promote upgrades to Windows 10:
Microsoft’s KB3133977 support page now advises users to install Windows 10 to fix their problems.
Microsoft has also done nothing to modify KB3133977 or release a new patch so users with Asus motherboards don’t run into this problem in the first place. Furthermore, at the time of publishing, KB3133977 remains a ‘Recommended’ in Windows Update for Windows 7.

Needless to say, conspiracy theorists will have a ball seeing it as yet another new way Microsoft can push users to Windows 10. Especially with upgrade rates slowing in April. This in itself is remarkable given the increasing number of heavy handed and devious ways Microsoft has been pushing Windows 10 onto Windows 7 and Windows 8 users.

Regardless, the message is clear: life is going to become increasingly uncomfortable for Windows 7 users from now on. Whether they like it or not…

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...x#5d42d161395e
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TL;DR: You have to disable UEFI on some ASUS motherboard, which makes it a smidge less secure.
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Goddamn, Microsoft really wants you to switch over to ten, don't they?

Sounds like they're turning into Apple.
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TL;DR: You have to disable UEFI on some ASUS motherboard, which makes it a smidge less secure.
Yeah, this seems to be the jist of it.
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Don't let the title fool you. The reality is, M$ released an update to fuck you over for not updating to Windows 10.
Uh... that doesn't sound like the case at all to me. Don't get me wrong, I blame Microsoft for changing the update but the conspiracy stuff is silly to me.

For what it's worth, it's just secure boot that needs to be disabled.

http://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1016356/

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Old 05-09-16, 01:54 AM
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I just checked the updates list and it was there but set to optional. I chose to ignore it until I can find more info about the motherboard (I have an old HP laptop).
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I consider the Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them option the only option to use. If this happened to one of my machines I would just restore the drive image. If they get too pushy with the updates than there is autopatcher.

Anyway I have used 7 and actually like 7 (and have removed plenty of malware from other peoples win 7 machines), but I am still happily using XP with no problems.
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I'd love to go to Windows 10....but when I did my computer would not, in any way, connect to the internet. Restarts...nothing.

I'll go to Windows 10...but only when its on a machine that has it pre-installed.

Now all I get is the nag ware to update to Windows 10....GWX (Get Windows 10). They changed the download to a critical update...so it auto downloads and keeps bugging you.

I had to install a small program called GWX Control Panel to finally be rid of it. Works great.
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I'd love to go to Windows 10....but when I did my computer would not, in any way, connect to the internet. Restarts...nothing.
This seems to be incredibly common. It happened to me when I clean-installed 10 on my new PC that I built myself. From what I can tell, 10 isn't recognizing network adapters (wired or wireless) built into certain motherboards. Luckily, I had a little wifi USB adapter sitting around that was recognized without needing drivers, so I plugged that in, did a driver update, and didn't need it anymore after the built-in adapter started working again.

I do suggest figuring out which adapter is built into your motherboard and throwing the drivers on a USB key before you install W10 again, if you even bother. If that's your only reason for not wanting W10, it's a cumbersome update for sure, but worth it, in my opinion.

I had to install a small program called GWX Control Panel to finally be rid of it. Works great.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend third party apps for stuff like this, but I get it. It's annoying to get that message over and over.
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I'll go to Windows 10...but only when its on a machine that has it pre-installed.
That's where I'm at as well.
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The only issue I've had with Windows 10 had to do with sound disappearing with Chrome, which was weird. Updated drivers and was done.

It isn't a bad OS.
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I had to install a small program called GWX Control Panel to finally be rid of it. Works great.
I was finally able to get rid of the notification to upgrade to 10 by uninstalling the KB3035583 update then hiding it so it wouldn't be in an auto update.


The KB3133977 update has already been installed on my computer a month ago and I haven't run into any of the mentioned problems, so I must not have an ASUS motherboard.
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For what it's worth, it's just secure boot that needs to be disabled.

http://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1016356/
This sounds like ASUS did something non-standard to "enable" Secure Boot on these systems prior. I didn't even know it was possible to have Secure Boot enabled while running an OS that didn't support it.

ASUS must've "signed" the Windows 7 bootloader themselves so that the UEFI would let Windows 7 boot in Secure Boot, and then Windows 7 itself booted without any knowledge of Secure Boot. However, with the Update, I think Windows 7 changes the bootloader, which causes a mismatch with the supplied signature, causing it not to boot.

I found this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05...sus_windows_7/
Microsoft has been in touch to say:

Asus shipped some main boards with their own implementation of a Secure Boot-like feature for Windows 7.
It seems like it's ASUS's fault for getting "clever" about adding Secure Boot to its Windows 7 systems.
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Well, one of my computers had installed it a month ago. No problems. So I decided to install it on my laptop. No problem there either.
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This sounds like ASUS did something non-standard to "enable" Secure Boot on these systems prior. I didn't even know it was possible to have Secure Boot enabled while running an OS that didn't support it.

ASUS must've "signed" the Windows 7 bootloader themselves so that the UEFI would let Windows 7 boot in Secure Boot, and then Windows 7 itself booted without any knowledge of Secure Boot. However, with the Update, I think Windows 7 changes the bootloader, which causes a mismatch with the supplied signature, causing it not to boot.

I found this:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05...sus_windows_7/


It seems like it's ASUS's fault for getting "clever" about adding Secure Boot to its Windows 7 systems.
Interesting read, I was kind of wondering how that worked.
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Been running manual Windows Updates and verifying their importance to my setup for some time now. I pity the poor people with Auto Update enabled on Windows 7 these days. Microsoft can be such assholes with their Windows 10 crusade.
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I see Windows installed that update on back on 4/13 for me. I haven't seen any problems, but I went and disabled that UEFI secure boot anyways.

I don't really want to update to Win 10 with all the problems I've heard.
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Microsoft's Windows 10 upgrades are getting even more sneaky-pushy
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Wow... MS actually does something good for Windows 7... Just don't call it SP2. One comment I read from someone who tested it said it leaves out the Windows 10 Nagware/Telemetry updates.

http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-call-it-that/
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^^ Thanks! I just downloaded the update rollup and the servicing stack update that's required to install the rollup. I'll put them both in a folder and move them to one of my flash drives for future use...

Can't hardly believe MS left out the Windows 10 updates, that's a huge plus!
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Not exactly...
The Ability to Cancel or Schedule the Windows 10 Upgrade is Not New

I’ve seen a number of reports—CNET, many blogs—about an apparent change in behavior for the Get Windows 10 upgrader. But the ability to schedule or cancel an automated Windows 10 upgrade is not new, and is certainly now news. This UI debuted back in February when the Windows 10 Upgrade became a recommended update in Windows Update.

Admittedly, I was initially confused by the reports—like this one in Tom’s Hardware—and I’ve even been pinged about this “new” behavior on Twitter repeatedly this week. Then, with a bit of help from Mary Jo Foley, my mind cleared. This isn’t new.

As you may know, Microsoft changed the Windows 10 upgrade to “recommended” status in Windows Update back in February. That latter change means that millions of PCs around the world started downloading gigabytes of installer code whether users realized it or not. But give Microsoft a little credit, and just a little since it’s been generally tone deaf to complaints lately: Since this change, when the installer is ready to run the upgrade, the Get Windows 10 pop-up that appears actually includes a “cancel” option.

Again, this isn’t new. On the March 9, 2016 episode of Windows Weekly, we even showed off a screenshot that looks identical to the shots we see this week on Tom’s Hardware, CNET, and elsewhere. Notice the date.

The problem is, if you’re on Windows 10 already, you’ll never see this prompt. I certainly haven’t seen it myself, so I was momentarily confused when these new reports surfaced. But it ain’t new folks. It’s worked this way since February 1st. And as you can see, you can cancel the upgrade (or reschedule it).
I still think it's lame, of course, but CNET spins it as a "new" development. It's not.
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How do you know if you have an Asus motherboard in your Windows 7 PC? Go to: All Programs > Accessories > System Tools and select System Information. This will list your PC’s components, including the motherboard.
Odd.. When I do that and get to the System Information section, I have nothing named 'motherboard' or 'main board' or any other synonyms I can think of. Where, exactly, in SI is this information located?
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Odd.. When I do that and get to the System Information section, I have nothing named 'motherboard' or 'main board' or any other synonyms I can think of. Where, exactly, in SI is this information located?
On my Windows 7 PC, the names in SI to look at are "System Manufacturer" for brand, and "System Model" for the motherboard model. "BIOS Version/Date" will also have info related to the motherboard.
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Ah! "blankety-blank-board" is "System Model".... check!

Thanks Jay.
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Not exactly...
The Ability to Cancel or Schedule the Windows 10 Upgrade is Not New

I still think it's lame, of course, but CNET spins it as a "new" development. It's not.
Well damn those pesky fear-mongers...




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