Tech Talk Discuss PC Hardware, Software, Internet and Other Technology

Best way to backup data?

Old 08-31-17, 01:19 PM
  #51  
DVD Talk Hero
 
davidh777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Home of 2013 NFL champion Seahawks
Posts: 40,850
Re: Best way to backup data?

Originally Posted by kenbuzz View Post
Does BackBlaze offer a Seed service (like CrashPlan and iDrive)? If so, your initial upload time could be cut down dramatically and you could focus on incremental backups after that.
I believe it doesn't. That seemed to be one of the disadvantages compared to the late CrashPlan, but I'm probably going with BB anyway.

I've already purchased extra space on OneDrive and have started uploading some files to there so I can take them off my HD.
davidh777 is offline  
Old 09-13-17, 03:59 PM
  #52  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,902
Re: Best way to backup data?

I just got my 3TB iDrive seed yesterday.

I spoke with a CSR to find out whether I could use it to back up the 1.5GB of data I have on my NAS, and she told me that the seed drive would only work with my PC's internal HD and any drives I have that are physically attached to the PC - like an external USB drive or a WD MyBook, etc. Of course, if I back up those external drives and later disconnect them, I would be at risk of losing my cloud data during a later sync since it would look as if I had deleted the drive. I would have 30 days before those files would be goners.

Anyway, on my system my NAS is mapped as a local drive within Windows, and I asked about whether those could be backed up to the Seed. She confirmed for me that mapped drives would *not* be backed up when I ran the backup installed software. I would just have to use the native iDrive software on my Synology NAS and push all 1.5TB up through my ISP's 50/20 link. Oh well. It'll take a long time, but at least that'll work for me.

Funny thing, when I attached the seed drive and ran their installer, it -did- give me the option of backing up my mapped NAS drive. So I'm doing that now. When I ship it back to them they may delete those files, or they may plop them in my online backup account using the same drive letter that I have my NAS mapped to. I'm not worried about any sort of data collision - where files on my NAS being backed up using the Synology app would be duplicated by the files on my Seed drive - because they are going into different locations at iDrive - one for my NAS, the other for my PC. I have a 5TB account for the first year, so I won't overrun if two images of my 1.5TB NAS files show up... and if they *do* push the PC image of those files to my storage I can suspend the Synology app from it's 30-60 day push task and free up my bandwidth.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 10-11-17, 03:34 PM
  #53  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,902
Re: Best way to backup data?

One month update:

I moved just under 2 TB of data from my mapped NAS drives to the seed drive, plus another 350 GB of data from my laptop, and shipped everything back. Took 3 days for the drive to arrive there, and another 5 for them to upload and make everything available. Everything I put on the seed drive is showing up in my online account, and everything seems to have been put in the correct locations. When I sync my "local" machine to their cloud, it captures everything from the C:, S:, and W: drives (S: is my mapped Synology NAS, W: is my mapped WD NAS) and does exactly what it's supposed to do.

So while iDrive says that officially, they don't support mapped drives when running their software to initially populate their seed drive - turns out that it works precicely as I had hoped it would.

This means I don't have to use the native Synology app on my NAS - everything that's on the NAS is already in the cloud and it appears where I want it to appear. I can access the cloud files from any PC or SmartPhone, which is a bonus. And if I ever replace the laptop, I can "adopt" the backup with whatever new PC I have *provided* that I map the two NAS drives and dont make any major changes to the file structure. By turning off the NAS iDrive app I keep it from pushing a second copy of all of that data through my not-terribly-fast internet connection.

I've had to go through a few minor clean-up steps - I can't tell for certain but it appears that a very few of my files have gone missing. Can't tell if they didn't transfer to the iDrive cloud from the seed drive or if I screwed up on this end and never put everything on the seed to begin with. But pushing the few files that I need to get to 100% coverage through my 50/20 link is fine by me - I'm just happy I didn't have to push 2-3 TB through that straw.

Can't beat the price - $7 for the first year. I'll reach out to them sometime before January to see if I can go ahead and buy two more years of storage at the student price.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 10-12-17, 11:23 AM
  #54  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,902
Re: Best way to backup data?

If you're shopping for a CrashPlan replacement:
Linky: https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/be...ackup-service/

CrashPlan, our previous pick, recently quit the personal and home segment, while three other services received noteworthy updates since our previous update. After retesting the new versions, we think that Backblaze is the best cloud backup service for most people because of its useful features, good performance, and simple setup. If you need better performance or more flexibility to recover deleted or changed files and can afford to pay a little more, we also like IDrive Online Backup.
1. Backblaze

$5/month per computer (or $50/year per computer)
Unlimited storage
Ease of Set-up
No seeded backup

2. iDrive

$70/year per account (w/multiple computers)
2TB of storage
Network volumes, multiple version retention, deleted file retention
Free annual seeded backup/restore

Both services offer deals. iDrive is offering a 1-year 5TB account for $6.95 to current CrashPlan customers and has cheap EDU pricing. If you have neither a CrashPlan account nor an EDU mailing address, you can get a 1-year 2TB account for $13.90 with the right promotion. Haven't found a promo price for Backblaze, though $5/mo ($50/yr) doesn't really need much improving.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 01-17-18, 01:11 PM
  #55  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,902
Re: Best way to backup data?

^bump

As much for my own future reference as for anyone else following in my footsteps.... I've been very pleased with the performance and support from the iDrive bubbas. So much that I'm going to go ahead and let my CrashPlan account expire without taking CP up on their offer of a year of discounted business services. Even though it's cheap at $30, I know that I would never renew it a year later at the regular $120 price. Frankly, I see no reason to even pay the $30 since iDrive is doing such a bang-up job for me.

I spoke with the iDrive sales guys today. I still have a validated .edu account and want to use that for my pricing after my first year is up in August. To be eligible for their 90% off offer to CP users, I had to use the same email address for my new iDrive account as I had on CP.... which was my regular personal hotmail.com address. What I want to do is switch my account to my .edu address to be eligible for their 50% off pricing. Alas, to do that means I have to create a NEW account. And since accounts are all distinct entities in the iDrive universe, none of the data in my original account will migrate to the new account.

This means that in late July, I'll have to:
1 - Create a new iDrive account using my .edu address
2 - Pay them up front for 1 or 2 years (depending on pricing)
3 - Request a seed drive
4 - Get the seed, fill the seed, return the seed, wait for them to transfer data.

I'll want to do this early enough so that there's overlap between the impending death of my original account and the .edu account getting fully populated. Once all that is done, I can terminate my original account ("poof" goes the data) and update my home systems to point at the new .edu account. I'll end up having an extra account for a month or two, which means my new expiration date will be a month or two earlier than my current 8-31-18 (?) date. But the peace of mind of knowing that all my data will be available in the first account while I get the second loaded and stable is worth it.

The Sales bubba confirmed that their pricing is still:
$69.50/yr (2TB), $99.50/yr (5TB) - regular price
$34.75/yr (2TB), $49.75/yr (5TB) - student price

He did see that the CP promo I used ($6.95 for 5TB) was still tied to my account, which means that even though the 90% off deal would expire in August, my renewal price of $69.50 would net me 5TB (not 2TB), which is nice, but it's still more than the $50/yr (5TB) .edu price I qualify for. He also said that there may be retention promos available in the July-August timeframe since a LOT of their new customers from CP will be looking at a keep-or-dump decision around then.... he recommended that I wait until closer to my renewal date to see if they might have a deal that beats the $50/yr (5TB) plan I am planning to switch over to - no reason to pay more than necessary, especially if it means I have to go through the reseeding process once again.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 01-25-18, 01:06 PM
  #56  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Chrisedge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Part of the Left-Wing Conspiracy
Posts: 6,848
Re: Best way to backup data?

Originally Posted by Chrisedge View Post
I jumped in on BackBlaze now as well. However it's like a 1000 days away from being finished. I have 5TB of data that I am "starting" with...another 2tb will go up once that is done.
It ended up taking about 4 months to complete. I was ok with that, because it was better than nothing. It's now done, and is backing up my newest drive that I am archiving my CD collection to.
Chrisedge is offline  
Old 07-19-18, 10:52 AM
  #57  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,902
Re: Best way to backup data?

^ bump

So it's July now, and checking the prices I see that things at iDrive are unchanged. I've been delighted with the first year of service, which I got for $6.95 (5TB) as a former CrashPlan customer. The regular pricing for a 5TB account is $69.50 / year, while the student pricing is 34.75 (2TB) and 49.75 (5TB). The plan I outlined above was the one I was getting ready to implement, but I first went in to my current account to check pricing and to ensure that I had disabled auto-renweal (which you can access by clicking "View" next to Billing Details on your Account Summary page).

I had NOT disabled auto-renewal, it was showing $69.50 would be billed on 8-31-18. I went ahead and disabled it, when iDrive popped up a customer retention screen... offering me half-off if I remained with them. Duh! Of course! So on 8-31 I will be billed $34.75 ($15 less than the discounted Student pricing) and I don't have to mess with seeding a new account.

So for other users.... if you moved over to iDrive during the CrashPlan fiasco and are looking at an upcoming $70 bill for your next year of service, I recommend doing what I did to get that knocked down to $35. Will revisit this NEXT July (2019) to see if this is a one-time deal or if it can be triggered annually.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 07-19-18, 11:00 AM
  #58  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,902
Re: Best way to backup data?

Update: Wanted to provide the CURRENT pricing, since there's a promo running on their personal plans...

Personal 2TB = $17.38 for 1 year (special for new members, first year only)
https://www.idrive.com/idrive/signup/el/criteo

Personal 2TB = $52.12 for 1 year, $104.25 for 2 years (regularly $69.50/$139.00)
Personal 5TB = $74.62 for 1 year, $149.25 for 2 years (regularly $99.50/$199.00)
Linky: https://www.idrive.com/pricing

Since the 2yr price is just twice the 1yr price, the only advantage I can see is locking yourself in for a specific rate over a longer period. But with the one-off promos and retention incentives and student pricing and other deals, it probably makes sense to just find the best 1yr deal and run with that.

Student 2TB = $34.75 for 1 year, N/A for 2 years
Student 5TB = $49.75 for 1 year, N/A for 2 years
Linky: https://www.idrive.com/online-backup-education

Last edited by kenbuzz; 07-20-18 at 06:52 PM.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 08-03-18, 11:40 AM
  #59  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
SterlingBen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tulsa
Posts: 6,881
Re: Best way to backup data?

Keep it up with your picks everyone. My CrashPlan account expires in October and I have been really satisfied with it. Way better than using Carbonite back in the day (terrible product on mac, or at least it used to be).

How does one get this $30 extra year of CrashPlan? Think they might just grandfather people from home who come over at the $30 price point?
SterlingBen is offline  
Old 08-04-18, 12:49 PM
  #60  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 52,192
Re: Best way to backup data?

Why is this thread so long.

Just buy a few samsung ssds. These are backups and will last for years...decades maybe but by then you would have migrated them anyway.

Online storage of your images and other docs? You guys nuts? No way I'd do that. Some data yes. But not Gigabytes of data. One, the reliability is not proven. Two, your data being compromised. Three, what if the company goes bankrupt. You think your data will just be deleted? Not.

Keep your stuff local. Get a remote sharing app if you need outside access a lot.
DVD Polizei is offline  
Old 08-04-18, 02:46 PM
  #61  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 17,495
Re: Best way to backup data?

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
Just buy a few samsung ssds. These are backups and will last for years...decades maybe but by then you would have migrated them anyway...
SSDs are still pretty expensive for a backup copy of data. And then you still have to consider how you're going to store a copy offsite, and keep the backups current. You also have to worry about ransomware encrypting any attached externals, negating the point of them.

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
Online storage of your images and other docs? You guys nuts? No way I'd do that. Some data yes. But not Gigabytes of data. One, the reliability is not proven. Two, your data being compromised. Three, what if the company goes bankrupt. You think your data will just be deleted? Not.
  1. Some online backup services have been around for over a decade at this point, and use the same core infrastructure as major corporations like Netflix, i.e Amazon EC2 storage and the like.
  2. This can vary a lot between backup solutions, but if you're paranoid about being "compromised," certain services offer the ability for you to backup with private key that they don't have, only you do. The trick is that if you need your data recovered, you'd need a copy of that key, not just a username/password combo. But most backup services aren't really interested in "compromising" your data: they make money via subscription fees, not ads, and they can only get subscribers via trust.
  3. It's unlikely that a backup service would just disappear overnight. There's likely to be warnings and notices, even in a bankruptcy, where subscribers will have time to migrate services. Look at the CrashPlan saga, where some people had nearly a year to figure out what to do after CrashPlan cancelled their personal backup plan. Also, as a backup, even if an online service went away overnight, you shouldn't have lost any data, it's just now more vulnerable to loss since the number of copies have dropped. However, considering how many people make zero local backups, an online backup is better than none.
Jay G. is offline  
Old 08-05-18, 10:42 PM
  #62  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
SterlingBen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tulsa
Posts: 6,881
Re: Best way to backup data?

Originally Posted by DVD Polizei View Post
Why is this thread so long.

Just buy a few samsung ssds. These are backups and will last for years...decades maybe but by then you would have migrated them anyway.

Online storage of your images and other docs? You guys nuts? No way I'd do that. Some data yes. But not Gigabytes of data. One, the reliability is not proven. Two, your data being compromised. Three, what if the company goes bankrupt. You think your data will just be deleted? Not.

Keep your stuff local. Get a remote sharing app if you need outside access a lot.
A fire that wipes out my house would also wipe out a local ssds. And with that every picture I had ever taken of my daughter and even just in general for the last 15 years. Every document I ever created in the last 25 years. All my game saves, internet preferences, logins and passwords for hundreds of sites I haven't memorized.

If you have nothing of note on your computer then yeah local backup is fine. Some of us actually use ours though.
SterlingBen is offline  
Old 06-06-19, 06:45 PM
  #63  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
SterlingBen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Tulsa
Posts: 6,881
Re: Best way to backup data?

Logged into Crash Plan to see why I hadn't updated my backup in 40 days to find out that it was because my extra year was up. Going to give this BackBlaze a go. Sucks my $30 a year is now $55 though...
SterlingBen is offline  
Old 06-08-19, 01:52 PM
  #64  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 3,244
Re: Best way to backup data?

So how many in this thread have actually had a house burn down? I don't know anyone that had lost a house to fire so I'm curious if anyone here has had a house burn down?

That said, better safe then sorry when it comes to backing up, everyone should have some form of offsite backup just in case.

I simply have a two drive rotation system. One is at the house and at the end of the month I make the backup current and then take that drive to work and bring the one that was at work home. It's not the most high tech solution but it works for me.
WCChiCubsFan is offline  
Old 06-10-19, 04:42 PM
  #65  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
JZ1276's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Long Island
Posts: 3,533
Re: Best way to backup data?

Originally Posted by Hokeyboy View Post
Nothing's gonna last 10 years. Use a cloud-based backup like the aforementioned Backblaze (been using it for years to great success).
Not true. I have 8 HDD ranging from 2TB to 5TB all around 10 years old (except the 5TB). These drives are only used for backup & not running 24/7 but to say nothing will last 10 years is false.
JZ1276 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.