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Old 01-01-01, 01:56 AM
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It's a Magview 19" .
.25mm dot pitch.
1600X1200 max resolution.
Previously had a Packerd Bell 13".
The difference is incredible!WOW!
Don't know much about Magview.But, it's all I could afford. $222.00-$140 instore credit- $50 Best Buy GC= $32.00.
Of course, I had to put Alice(PC game) back on the shelf because I ran out of money.
A question. I have the refresh rate on 85mhz. What's the best refresh rate to have?
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The lower the refresh rate (obviously over 60Hz) that eliminates flickering is the best for sharper resolution. I've noticed definite improvements going from 85Hz, which was a little fuzzy, to 72 or 75Hz which was very sharp. I almost always use those two.
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Thanks
Now, I can go looking for decent wallpaper.
Old 01-01-01, 02:20 AM
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X - I would say 85 is better than 72/75 anyday if your hardware can keep up.

The refresh rate is how many times per second the screen refreshes 85 would mean 85 times per second. Anyhting at or above 72 or 75 should be beyond what the human eye can detect, BUT if you can run 85 it should be better.

If 85 makes you blurry, upgrade your monitor to a Trinitron tube or a high end NEC, then you will wee what it is suppose to look like
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by 4KRG:
X - I would say 85 is better than 72/75 anyday if your hardware can keep up.

The refresh rate is how many times per second the screen refreshes 85 would mean 85 times per second. Anyhting at or above 72 or 75 should be beyond what the human eye can detect, BUT if you can run 85 it should be better.

If 85 makes you blurry, upgrade your monitor to a Trinitron tube or a high end NEC, then you will wee what it is suppose to look like
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Well, we disagree on this one. I was wondering why my $1650 (wholesale) flat-screen 21" Sony with Trinitron tube was kind of fuzzy at 85Hz refresh rate. And yes, I also tried around 100Hz (it looked even crappier) because I also thought bigger was better. I did a little research that said what I previously stated, and went down to 75Hz. The change in sharpness and clarity, with no ghosting of characters, was amazing. People used go walk past my monitor and remark how good it looked. The print was almost like reading printed text and I loved it.

I've followed that rule and have had good results ever since. I found the only reason to go above 60Hz is to eliminate the flicker which I'm extremely sensitive to. Once the flicker is eliminated, at the lowest possible setting, is where I set it. Perhaps graphics work has other requirements -- I was mostly programming. Hey, try it yourself and set it where it looks good to you -- that's what really matters.
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You didn't say it was a flat screen. Different rulz for different hardware. TUBES like 85, sorry.
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by 4KRG:
You didn't say it was a flat screen. Different rulz for different hardware. TUBES like 85, sorry.
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It's not a LCD, it's a flat screen tube!

Sony model GDM F500 with .22 mm dot pitch.

I might add I found the rule also applies to my 17" Eizo and my 15" MAG.

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Quite a discussion.
X- is the 15" MAG made by the same company as MAGVIEW? And if so, how good are the monitors?Pretty decent?
I realize they're probably not as good as the top companies, but I hope I didn't waste my in store credit, and BB GC for a lemon.
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by smokedragon:
Quite a discussion.
X- is the 15" MAG made by the same company as MAGVIEW? And if so, how good are the monitors?Pretty decent?
I realize they're probably not as good as the top companies, but I hope I didn't waste my in store credit, and BB GC for a lemon.
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MAG is pretty good. It uses a Trinitron tube, has a good picture, and does just what you expect. I can't seem to hurt it even when I leave it in some of the weird resolutions (like 1920x540 @60Hz) I use on my RPTV from my home theater computer.

I don't think they're the same company, but check it out for yourself: http://www.maginnovision.com/
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I would DEFINITELY go with 85 over 72 or 75. I have worked with them for years, and you get a LOT more eyestrain at 75 than at 85.
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I found the company that makes the monitor.The company is called Proview.
They have drivers for the monitor, but do I really need them? Seems to be working. Haven't had any problems.
By the way, I appreciate the info. Thanks.

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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Infinity:
I would DEFINITELY go with 85 over 72 or 75. I have worked with them for years, and you get a LOT more eyestrain at 75 than at 85.
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Well, then 85 sounds good for you. I never had eyestrain at 72 or 75, but the fuzziness at 85 bothered me enough that I wouldn't look at the monitor long enough to get eyestrain.
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X - that is just odd.

I run all my trinitrons @ 85 and think there are sharp. My older NEC that I have at home will only run @ 75. Like I said earlier the human eye really can not detect the difference between 75 and 85, so it is a moot point anyway. If 75 is better for you, it should be fine. I run both (75 home, 85 work) and really do not see a difference between them. But I have had glasses my whole life and I am a bit blind anyway
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by 4KRG:
X - that is just odd.

I run all my trinitrons @ 85 and think there are sharp. My older NEC that I have at home will only run @ 75. Like I said earlier the human eye really can not detect the difference between 75 and 85, so it is a moot point anyway. If 75 is better for you, it should be fine. I run both (75 home, 85 work) and really do not see a difference between them. But I have had glasses my whole life and I am a bit blind anyway
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Maybe just do a test of 75 on a trinitron and see if it improves. And mine was mostly displaying a software development environment and text. But it was awesome, just like looking at the characters printed on the screen -- absolutely perfect.

Older NEC's were always too soft for me and I'm not sure what you could do to help them.
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Great googly moogly! I always thought the higher the better. I run my Viewsonic GS790 at 100Hz (1024 x 768 x 32 color) and I just did some tests. I tried 85 and text is definitely sharper. Didn't see any difference between 75 and 85 so I'm leaving it at 85. Thanks 'X'.
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by eXcentris:
Great googly moogly! ... Thanks 'X'.
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Well, thank you. It's nice to know that I've helped out someone and get their thanks. Now if I could just help you out with your opposition to anti-missile technology...
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X - here is the list of recommended modes for your monitor (list is not complete)

640 x 480 @ 60Hz VGA Graphics
640 x 480 @ 85Hz VESA
800 x 600 @ 85Hz VESA
832 x 624 @ 75Hz Macintosh 16"
1024 x 768 @ 75Hz Macintosh 19"
1024 x 768 @ 85Hz VESA
1152 x 864 @ 75Hz VESA
1152 x 870 @ 75Hz Macintosh 2-page
1280 x 1024 @ 75Hz VESA
1280 x 1024 @ 85Hz VESA
1600 x 1200 @ 75Hz VESA
1600 x 1200 @ 85Hz VESA
1800 x 1350 @ 85Hz Sony
1800 x 1440 @ 80Hz Sony


What are you running?

For example if you run 1152 x 864 at 85, it will look worse than at 75 due to how your monitor was optimized. Notice in the above list 1152 X 864 @ 85 is not recommended, but 75 is.

I still say higher refresh is better as long as your monitor and video card are optimized for it. I will play with my trinitron and see.
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by 4KRG:
What are you running?
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1280 x 1024 @ 75Hz VESA is what I'm running.

Seems to be recommended. But then so is 85Hz which, as I already said, I didn't like.
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by X:
1280 x 1024 @ 75Hz VESA is what I'm running.

Seems to be recommended. But then so is 85Hz which, as I already said, I didn't like.
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Odd

My Trinitron (21" flat, but it is badged as a Dell Ultrascan P1110) Likes 85 much better than 75. A very obvious difference. It is being driven by the built in Dell Nvidia Riva card. I can not figure why yours would be the opposite.

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Odd reading this post I realized that I don't know how to check my refresh rate I am running at 1280 on a 19" gateway monitor (ev910)

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quote:<HR>Originally posted by Spicollidriver1:
Odd reading this post I realized that I don't know how to check my refresh rate I am running at 1280 on a 19" gateway monitor (ev910)
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In NT you just go into your display settings and it's right on the first panel. In Windows 9x you have to click into advanced settings on that panel and I believe it's the tab labeled video card or something like that. There's a dropdown with the refresh rates.
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quote:<HR>Originally posted by X:
Well, thank you. It's nice to know that I've helped out someone and get their thanks. Now if I could just help you out with your opposition to anti-missile technology...
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If we both agreed on everything then one of us would be unnecessary.

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The repoorted tradeoff between sharpness and refresh rate is a matter of bandwidth. The bandwidth needed to generate a display is proportional to the the screen resolution and refresh rate. The higher the screen resolution and faster the refresh rate the more bandwidth is needed to pump those pixels across the screen. Unfortunately, very few monitor manufacturers include bandwidth in their published specifications. It is possible to crank up the screen resolution and pump up the frequency of the scanning oscilators, but, if the signal path from the VGA connector to the ouput of the video amplifiers is low on bandwidth the screen image will look fuzzy. Bandwidth is expensive. The lower cost monitor maufacturers skimp on bandwidth to cut costs.

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