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Old 05-02-07, 12:12 AM
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digg implodes...

Anyone watching this?

Apparently, Digg has gone and deleted a bunch of articles that included the HDDVD decryption key (or whatever it is, exactly), and the users of Digg are in full revolt, basically posting that key in various, sometimes clever ways, and stating their disgust with digg.

This is pretty hypocritical of digg, since they have not had problems in the past posting links to all kinds of copyrighted/pirated/cracked/etc material. Apparently HDDVD sponsors their Diggnation content, so now the Digg editors are flexing their deletion/censorship powers - and the digg users are none too happy about it.

If nothing else, Digg's credibility has taken a huge hit today.

http://www.digg.com/

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Old 05-02-07, 12:40 AM
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Digg.com = 10-15-yr olds who need to complete their homework.
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Digg has shot itself in the foot. A site whose content is completely driven by its users, don't go pissing them off by censoring and banning them. It also speaks volumes for the publics feelings about DRM and the DMCA. Both are total bullshit. The tide is already turning against it, it's only a matter of time before the entire entertainment industry implodes if they keep this crap up.
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Can't argue with that. Not sure how long this post will be open, though.
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Geez, its on Drudge. "Geek riot"
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Old 05-02-07, 02:44 AM
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It was funny through the first three posts, but got really old by the 6th page. Hopefully, Digg will simply ban every one of the people who created one of those posts, wipe out all the useless categories, and return to a tech based format.
Old 05-02-07, 03:19 AM
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What good will it do to post the key which apparently hurts the site by driving sponsors away and possibly shutting down the site for providing info on cracking?

Free speech, my ass.
Old 05-02-07, 03:27 AM
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I doubt Diggnation's podcast makes enough money from HD-DVD's sponsorship for Rose to do this. It's far more likely Digg received a cease and desist notice related to the DMCA, which does restrict free speech. The geek boys can bitch all they want, but I bet they won't contribute to Digg's legal defense fund should Digg get sued by the HD-DVD people.

The DMCA puts a lot of cites in a tough position. Even DVD Talk isn't immune, which is why certain topics are off limits here.

Wikipedia has also removed the HD-DVD hexidecimals, at the same time and for the same reason as Digg.
Old 05-02-07, 05:32 AM
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As long as forum posts are the legal ownership of the poster, and not the owner of the forums, there shouldn't be a problem. However, from reading DVD Talk's legal info, they explicitly state they will adhere to the DCMA. So, it's a matter of choice, not necessarily arm-twisting when it comes to forums. The DCMA would be hard-pressed to sue forums because it is impossible to track every single post of every single second, especially for such a large forum as DVD Talk.

So, it's a partnership thing when it comes to DMCA and online posts. Whether it's a guarantee about receiving product for reviews by movie lables if the forums are wiped clean of any hint of DMCA infringement, or whatever, it's a partnership and cooperation by the websites and the DMCA.

As an example, I've seen hex codes posted on other websites which have been there for months, and still are there. The DMCA knows who they are but they have no legal reach to force the website to take the information down.

I won't argue the DMCA uses intimidation but there are also examples of no-contest compliance by websites. Which is their choice, and I respect this as well.

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Old 05-02-07, 08:05 AM
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Sorry, I'm still laughing at the OP's use of the words Digg and credibility in the same sentence.
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John C Dvorak talked about this a year ago. These sites eventually have the users either ruin the site or everyone leaves to something better.
Old 05-02-07, 09:43 AM
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How many people outside of Internet message boards actually pay attn to sites like Digg? Can it really be said that Digg represent what the "general public" wants, or is it really what message board reading guy wants?
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There have already been precedent cases where ISPs and websites aren't liable for what users post. Plus, digg doesn't even hosts the sites? As with Viacom suing Google cause of YouTube, it's going to be very very hard for the movie industry to win.
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Since no one else has updated this, Digg has reversed course:

http://blog.digg.com/?p=74?

Originally Posted by Kevin Rose
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts…

In building and shaping the site I’ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We’ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.

Digg on,

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Yeah, I'm sure the VCs will have a thing or two about that.
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Okay, it's been a few days and things have calmed down. So what was the big deal about this anyway? I totally agree with Dvorak about this. Without sending Digg the letter, this number would have faded into obscurity. How many people actually know what to do with this number? Even if they do, what is the point of having a huge file on your computer that you most likely can't burn without purchasing quite an expensive piece of equipment? I know that some claim that they just want to use this code to be able to watch HDs on their laptops, but I would guess that this is a very small percentage of people.

So without actually saying how to use this code, has anyone used it? Just curious.
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Okay, it's been a few days and things have calmed down. So what was the big deal about this anyway? I totally agree with Dvorak about this. Without sending Digg the letter, this number would have faded into obscurity. How many people actually know what to do with this number? Even if they do, what is the point of having a huge file on your computer that you most likely can't burn without purchasing quite an expensive piece of equipment? I know that some claim that they just want to use this code to be able to watch HDs on their laptops, but I would guess that this is a very small percentage of people.

So without actually saying how to use this code, has anyone used it? Just curious.
I have not and really have no desire to.

I thought Dvorak's argument that the files are too big to be useful was pretty lame. 20GB is not that big of a file nowadays, and you can get that down to around 9GB if I understand correctly. And couldn't you burn it onto a dual-layer DVD at that point?

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Okay, it's been a few days and things have calmed down. So what was the big deal about this anyway? I totally agree with Dvorak about this. Without sending Digg the letter, this number would have faded into obscurity. How many people actually know what to do with this number? Even if they do, what is the point of having a huge file on your computer that you most likely can't burn without purchasing quite an expensive piece of equipment? I know that some claim that they just want to use this code to be able to watch HDs on their laptops, but I would guess that this is a very small percentage of people.

So without actually saying how to use this code, has anyone used it? Just curious.

I'm not sure why the code is that useful anyway. At least not useful to anyone that isn't a hacker type. If you use the 360 HD-DVD add on drive hooked up to your PC. AnyDVD HD program. And a certain well know DVD player program made for HD you can rip a movie to your hard drive and play it wthout the disc. You can do all this without knowing the code.
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Digg used to be awesome but over the last 6 months it has been more work than it is worth to try to get worthwhile news off it.

The same articles get posted over and over, too many "the top 10 ways..." type stories, along with just lame stories make it a hassle to use.

Everyone wants Digg to be a user-driven / management hands-off type website but that is exactly what is ruining it. Imagine DVDtalk without moderators and that is what Digg is now.

I recently took it off my RSS reader and haven't missed it.
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Re: digg implodes...

Digg, Once Worth $164 Million, Sold To Betaworks For $500K
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffberc...orks-for-500k/
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Re: digg implodes...

So the obvious question is who is dumb enough to buy into Reddit? I see the same ting happening to them in a couple of years.
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Re: digg implodes...

Originally Posted by edstein View Post
So the obvious question is who is dumb enough to buy into Reddit? I see the same ting happening to them in a couple of years.
What? You don't think pictures of people's dogs and cats is a sound model for financial stability?
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Re: digg implodes...

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So the obvious question is who is dumb enough to buy into Reddit? I see the same ting happening to them in a couple of years.
Conde Nast purchased Reddit towards the end of 2006 for an undisclosed price.

Kevin Rose is a fucking moron. Google offered him $200 million in 2008. He should've taken Google's offer and walked away. Whereas other sources are reporting the deal for Digg cost Betaworks (and LinkedIn) cost upwards of $16 million, it's a tiny fraction of what the website was worth years ago.

When Digg launched V4 in 2010, it eliminated a majority of their user base overnight. For most, it was the final straw to break the camel's back.
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Re: digg implodes...

i was one of the first 200 registered users on digg. it was my #1 site for a few years untill v4 fucked everything up. i cant even remember the last time i logged in on there. every 6 months or so something makes me remember the site and i give it a quick look. i cant believe how far that site has fallen. i remember when the top storie would have 5k+ diggs and the entire front page would be 1k+ diggs. now it looks like they barely can hit 100 maybe 200 if their lucky. they never should have messed with the site, it was just fine the way it was.

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