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Old 08-09-06, 07:34 PM
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Playing games on an LCD? Is 5ms or 2ms refresh rate difference important?

Hi,
I currently use a 17" CRT for the PC and play games on this aswell.
So I am thinking of getting an LCD 19" Samsung but did not know the what the refresh rates should be to get a game such as Battlefield 2 or Prey to run really well withought ghosting etc.

The Samsung on the BB website says 21" 5MS or there is one at 19" 2MS?

Samsung 20.1 Inch LCD 5MS

Samsung 19 Inch LCD 2MS

What is the max refresh rate I should be looking at. Is the difference between 5ms and 2ms that great?

Any help will really be appreciated before I commit to an LCD.

Thanks.

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I thought 8 ms was fast enough to not show ghosting.
Old 08-09-06, 07:41 PM
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I guess 8MS was fast, but now the games are so fast and graphic intensive I wondered if 5ms was fast or too slow for them, and I should go for the 2ms?
Both monitors are the same price at $299.
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The biggest thing I would consider is whether the extra inch of size (and worse response time) is worth going from a 19" with 1280x1024 resolution and a reasonable font size to a 20" with 1600x1200 resolution that makes objects on the screen pretty small.

I have a 19" and would stay with that because I wouldn't like the smaller pixels of the 20". Even their 24" monitor still has a 1600x1200 resolution which may tell you how small it would be in a 20".
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Personally, just looking at the response time alone might not be the best representation of whether or not you'll see ghosting. I'd search around for user reviews of both and see what other people think in regards to gaming. For instance, my Dell 1905FP at home only has a 20ms response time and I got used to the slower response time despite playing a lot of first person shooters back when i first purchased the monitor, while others couldn't stand it.

It's funny too, because in regards to what X is saying, many people dislike 19" LCD's because of the "bigger" pixels versus 17" LCD's that have the same resolution.
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Yeah, I don't like the 17" with the same resolution as the 19". I have no problem seeing the small type, (I'm nearsighted so it's fine with me) but I just don't like the really small objects on the screen. You don't get more of them, they're just smaller.
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I guess with the 20" and the 1600 x 1200 I could alter the resolution down to 1280 by 1024, at least I would have that as an option.

I do like to fit alot on the screen at the same time so more real estate would be better for me.

Thanks for the help I will probably go for the 20inch version.

Samsung seems like an ok brand and the price is right for me.

Thanks again.

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Old 08-09-06, 09:12 PM
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The response time for 5ms v 2ms may not be the biggest factor if older lcds were good at 8ms.

Playing battlefield 2 wont give me that much advantage as I am not that good at it anyway!!!!!
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Originally Posted by J_J
I guess with the 20" and the 1600 x 1200 I could alter the resolution down to 1280 by 1024, at least I would have that as an option.
Yes, you have that as an option. But it will look like crap.

When you run an LCD at different than its native resolution the pixels get smeary and look worse than a CRT. The whole object of an LCD with regard to its visual aspects is that each individual pixel can be addressed resulting in an extremely sharp image. You do need to be using a DVI connection of course, not VGA.
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I play FPS games on a 25ms response LCD and don't have problems at all.

BTW, I think some of the LCD manufactures are re-defining response time to mean transistion to only 50% grey so the times will of course be faster.
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Actually, I like the 1600x1200 on the 20". I prefer it to the 1024x768 on a 17" (everything looks rather big; I'd rather have 1280x1024 on a 17").

Go to BB and check them out. See if resolution on the 20" is acceptable.
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Originally Posted by namja
I prefer it to the 1024x768 on a 17" (everything looks rather big; I'd rather have 1280x1024 on a 17").

Go to BB and check them out. See if resolution on the 20" is acceptable.
I believe the native resolution of 17" is 1280x1024, just like 19". 15" is 1024x768.
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Okay, I have a 20 inch widescreen monitor and use it at 1680X1050. Should I be using a higher resolution? 1680X1050 is what it defaulted to and I left it there. I'm assuming that its max resolution. I've been playing games like Doom 3 at 1280X720.
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Originally Posted by X
I believe the native resolution of 17" is 1280x1024, just like 19". 15" is 1024x768.
Okay, I think I was on crack when I wrote my last post. Let me try again:

Actually, I like the 1600x1200 on the 20". I prefer it to the 1280x1024 on a 19" where everything looks rather big (the 1280x1024 looks great on the 17" though, except 17" is really too small).

Or something like that.
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Originally Posted by darkside
Okay, I have a 20 inch widescreen monitor and use it at 1680X1050. Should I be using a higher resolution? 1680X1050 is what it defaulted to and I left it there. I'm assuming that its max resolution. I've been playing games like Doom 3 at 1280X720.
Yes, thats the max resolution.
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Originally Posted by darkside
Okay, I have a 20 inch widescreen monitor and use it at 1680X1050. Should I be using a higher resolution? 1680X1050 is what it defaulted to and I left it there. I'm assuming that its max resolution. I've been playing games like Doom 3 at 1280X720.
You should be using it at its native resolution which is the number of pixels horizontal and vertical.

It's probably 1600x1200. Any other resolution will not provide a very sharp image.
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Originally Posted by X
You should be using it at its native resolution which is the number of pixels horizontal and vertical.

It's probably 1600x1200. Any other resolution will not provide a very sharp image.
It's widescreen, so it would be 1680x1050 like he's using.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
It's widescreen, so it would be 1680x1050 like he's using.
Oh, ok.

I'm not up on that particular widescreen resolution and didn't notice that part. I just wanted to make sure he wasn't running it at some maximum resolution that it could handle instead of its native resolution.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Yes, thats the max resolution.
Cool. Thanks. I'm still trying to figure some of this stuff out.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
Yes, thats the max resolution.
Cool. Thanks. I'm still trying to figure some of this stuff out. I'll also try to game in that resolution. I went with 1280X720 for gaming because I figured it was the best resolution for it, but I forgot about LCDs being fixed pixel displays. This is my first non CRT anything.
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Originally Posted by X
Oh, ok.

I'm not up on that particular widescreen resolution and didn't notice that part. I just wanted to make sure he wasn't running it at some maximum resolution that it could handle instead of its native resolution.

I believe widescreen monitors are generally 16:10 as opposed to 16:9. At least both of mine are. (1680x1050 and 1920x1200).
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Hey thanks for all the feedback on the lcd choices. I looked at a 1600x1200 resolution which is really small, then I changed the resolution on the 20" to 1280 x 1024 and it looked blury.

So I have switched my thinking to just get a 19" 2ms 1280x1024 resolution.

Thanks again for the help.

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I just picked up a Viewsonic VA912b 19" LCD. It's Viewsonics budget line with an 8ms response time. I read up on it before buying, a few super hardcore gamers on one forum complained of ghosting, but I don't see it at all. I've played Prey, UT2004, Wolfenstein:ET and F.E.A.R. (all at 1280X1024-except F.E.A.R. at 1280X960) on it and they look fantastic. I have yet to notice any ghosting effect.
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Originally Posted by SmackDaddy
I just picked up a Viewsonic VA912b 19" LCD.
i have 2 of these connected to my primary desktop at home (dual dvi) and never had a single problem with any ghosting..

heck.. i just bought the el cheapo 19" analog KDS monitor that compusa had on clearance for $150 (was $135 online) the other day.. I put this one on a computer in our spare bedroom that we dont use.. but it looks crisp and clean, no ghosting with any videos Ive played (no gaming on it. its 16ms, but super bright and very nice with the video. We don't do any gaming in that room, so thats not a problem.. Although Ive considered trying one, because it seems like it would be ok.
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You realize the respone time that you are looking at is most likely for grey to grey.
Which unfortunately isn't the response time you should really be looking at. That is the problem with LCD education these days and the numbers they try to push to you. They usually always use the grey to grey timing cause its always faster. What you really want to look at is the white to black, or the white to black to white response time. Which you won't find at BB website, you got to research a bit more.

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