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Old 12-30-05, 01:37 AM
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Internet security advice wanted (Norton vs McAfee vs ?)

Iím on dialup but was wanting to get a firewall, plus my subscription for Norton anti-virus updates just ended.

Iím looking at two software packages, McAfee and Norton. McAfee is $10, Norton is $22 (OEM, shipped).

McAfee Internet Security Suite 2005 Review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/McAfee_Inter...-31116209.html

Norton Internet Security 2005 Review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Norton_Inter...-30998884.html

The review like McAfee a little better, and I like the $10 vs $22 plus McAfeeís anti-spyware (I already use spybot & adaware, another one wouldnít hurt I suppose), but Iíve always used Norton in the past (anti-virus & systemworks). Any comments on either one? The prices are from www.directdeals.com who Iíve dealt with in the past without troubles. And yes, I know it's OEM and I wouldn't get the manual.

Thanks!
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I've used McAfee for years. However, the last time my subscription ran out, they said they no longer supported the version I was using, and I had to update to version 9 (2005). Before version 9, I never had any real problems.

It is so resource intensive that it makes my browser run horribly slow and unstable. If I am only going to sites I am familiar with and consider safe, I usually have it turned off. Certainly when my subscription ends, I am removing it, and using the free tools Yahoo DSL offers for download, as part of service package. If my computer crashes many more times, I will remove it before that.

Note I run Windows ME. On my wife's XP machine, it seems to run stably but still very slow. Disabling it speeds up browsing tremendously (obviously at a risk factor).

Quite often, those "OEM" versions are only good for one year and the .dat subscription can't be renewed at the end of the year, you have to buy a new version. I fell for that once, although it is cheap, and they have a new version every year anyway. Even buying a new version at Costco is usually cheaper than renewing dat subscription. If only it didn't become ever more bloated, ever slower.

I don't know anything about Norton.
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Old 12-30-05, 08:20 AM
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Norton is a serious system hog. I won't be going back to them. The one year I used McAfee, it didn't seem nearly as bad.

As for Firewall, I would go with ZoneAlarm. It's free and it works great.

Edit: Both of these products only get 2 out of 5 star reviews from users over at Amazon. Neither sounds so hot.

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Old 12-30-05, 09:09 AM
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Actually, a full security suite a lot of people recommend is Trend Micro's PC-cillin Internet Security Suite 2006. This suite uses way less resources than either the Norton or McAfee products, and works quite well.
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Old 12-30-05, 01:30 PM
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So a firewall really slows down the browser? I'm on dialup, it's already slow. I'm also running XP professional. I looked up zonealarm, didn't realize it was free. I guess I could download it and try it out, though the description said it was for DSL- or cable-connected PCs.

So... what is the best way for me to be firewall protected without really slowing down my machine? I'll be treating the virus protection as a separate issue though if the firewall comes with virus protection it would be nice. I looked up Micro Trend PC-cillin Internet Security '06, it's $28 at the same website I was looking at (also OEM). If it's noticably faster I wouldn't mind paying the extra $$$.

As for OEM not letting your renew, I've never actually tried to renew though Norton keeps putting popups on my computer telling me that the subscription has renewed and I need to resubscribe right away. Normally I just buy another OEM disk of the next year's software.

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Old 12-30-05, 02:33 PM
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I used to be a devoted Norton Internet Security user but found my system bogged down by it. I've recently switched to ZoneAlarm Security Suite. It's working much better for me.
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Old 12-30-05, 10:47 PM
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norton sucks
one day mine randomly decided to block DNS

http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html free and easy to use
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Old 04-30-07, 08:43 AM
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I know this is an old thread but I figured I would bump it instead of creating a new one.

My Norton subscription has expired and since I look at the occasional porn page & do some internet banking, I figured that I need something decent on my computer.

I have heard everything from great to terrible in regards to Norton & Mcafee and wondered if anything has changed. I have also heard that it is dumb to pay for internet security when there are so many free good products out there but I do not know really where to start on those. Any suggestions to update this thread to mid-2007?
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Old 04-30-07, 09:01 AM
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Look at the free download button to the right

http://www.zonealarm.com/store/conte...ku_list_za.jsp

Zone Alarm is still free for personal use

ALL software based firewalls will slow your machine down, some more than others, but ALL will cause slowness just due to the nature of how they operate.

Buy a Dual Core processor of some sorts and that will help aleviate the problem

IMO - I would not put all my eggs in one basket unless I was a very light internet user that didn't visit many porn, cheat code, or sites with questionable activities.

What this means is if you surf pron, have your defense from multiple manufactuers.

have your FW from Zone
have your AV from Norton or Mcafee or Trend - I will also pimp the free AOL AV tool as well http://www.activevirusshield.com/ant...eav/index.adp?
have your spyware tool from Webroot or someone else or multiple

The best line of defense is to have multiple unrelated lines of defense

If you don't go to 'high risk' websites often or on purpose then something with an all-in0one like the Trend Micro will probably be fine for you.

I highly recommend a harware based firewall too
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Old 04-30-07, 09:59 AM
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Not free, but I use NOD32 for AntiVirus http://www.eset.com/

Use a router as your firewall.
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Old 04-30-07, 11:06 AM
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The bottom line is, when it comes to antivirus and firewalls, you do NOT need to pay for them. There are good free options available.

Wish I could've told my dad that. He went and got Norton. I'm sure getting rid of that would help speed up his poor Celeron machine.
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Old 04-30-07, 11:10 AM
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Neither. As a technical support agent both those firewalls cause more problems then they help.

2Wire router > SonicWall or any other firewall
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I run Nod32/Windows Firewall/router firewall on my Vista laptop
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Old 04-30-07, 06:41 PM
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I have used Norton on my business computers for about 5 years now and have very few complaints. For the most part it's been steady and well worth spending a little cash on every year to avoid problems. Once you get it configured properly, it is not nearly as annoying as some other antivirus programs I have been exposed to.

I'll definitely look into these other suggestions, however. If I can save a few bucks that's great but more important would be one that's less of a system hog. The price is negligible compared to how much time it's saved me with problems others in my family with McAffee and other programs have had. I made my mom get Norton just so the phone calls would stop. She hasn't had a problem since.

So... yay Norton. But I definitely want to hear a little more about these other options, particularly which ones are the most resource-friendly.

I believe Microsoft has something out there now, and XP/Vista certainly have firewalls. If you enable that, is the Antivirus/spyware the only concern? I personally have a firewall in the router but some do not.

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Originally Posted by Iron Chef
Not free, but I use NOD32 for AntiVirus http://www.eset.com/

Use a router as your firewall.
No matter how many years go by and people still give this really bad advice. Use both a hardware (router) and a desktop (Zone Alarm, PopNStop, etc.) firewall.

Unless you have configured a hardware firewall with very strict and well thought out rules to govern both ingress and egress traffic, your router is going to trust egress traffic. A software firewall does not automatically trust egress (outbound) traffic, which is what you want. A software firewall will also afford you protection from other systems on your own home network (which, since the OP is dial-up, is not so relevant in this case).
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Personally in the realm of freeware, I like Avast (Virus) and Kerio (FW).
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There are several free personal firewalls around, and ZoneAlarm is one of the *WORST*.
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Originally Posted by lxl
There are several free personal firewalls around, and ZoneAlarm is one of the *WORST*.
My Norton trial just ended so I've been reading this thread with interest. ZoneAlarm seems to the firewall of choice in this thread.

Care to elaborate on why you think it's "the *WORST*?
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Originally Posted by TimeandTide

Care to elaborate on why you think it's "the *WORST*?
I am going to guess that it is the fact that Zone labs is very intrusive and somewhat cryptic in what it asks you.

read: many many pop-ups asking you if it is ok to allow program "JSTYSHB.exe" to access the internet and you are suppose to guess yes or no, if you say no, some programs might not work anymore.

Zone has had their share of programming problems as well, there was a version that wasn't compatible with XP SP2, but they fixed it quickly.

Zone will also slow your machine down, but then again, so does every other software firewall. Sure zone might do it a little more than other softeware, but so what.


The reasons are somewhat valid, but do not apply to everyone. If I had a machine I was worried about, I would have no problems running zone on it. The learning curve might be a little rough for a n00b, but same goes for kerio and others. Blackice is one of the few that is easier to use, but is somewhat less secure. It's all in what you can work with and what you are trying to protect and protect against.

Zone is a good minivan of firewall softwares. It does a lot, but it has some bulk.

It all by itself, will not make your computer explode


Bottom line, Zone is a good company that supports it's product and the product itself isn't bad, and it's free for personal use. I like it over say Norton's Internet Security (not the same thing as Norton AV by itself), but meh nothing is perfect.
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I had Zone Alarm but dumped it in favor of Comodo - http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/. It's free also.
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Look'n'stop is an excellent desktop firewall as well.
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Originally Posted by Nazgul
Personally in the realm of freeware, I like Avast (Virus) and Kerio (FW).
Kerio Personal was bought out by Sunbelt, and now it's only 30-day trialware past version 4.2.2 (currently they're on 4.5.9)...

I'm thinking of going with Avast or AVG for AV & Comodo for FW... Suggestions? (My Norton expires this month, and I'm tired of its bloatware. Want freeware that's current, effective and small.)

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Originally Posted by adamblast
Kerio Personal was bought out by Sunbelt, and now it's only 30-day trialware past version 4.2.2 (currently they're on 4.5.9)...

I'm thinking of going with Avast or AVG for AV & Comodo for FW... Suggestions? (My Norton expires this month, and I'm tired of its bloatware. Want freeware that's current, effective and small.)
Yes, I suggest that you do not use AVG. It is a very poor AV application.
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