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Old 07-28-05, 01:38 PM
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Microsoft XP Updates now require key validation

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Microsoft begins spot checks on piracy
By Rhys Blakely, Times Online




The world's largest software company has launched a high-level campaign against the one factor it fears could threaten its market dominance: pirated copies of its own products.



Users of Microsoft products are to face spot-checks of the authenticity of their software before they are allowed to download updates.

Microsoft accounts for more than 90 per cent of the desktop software market, leaving little scope for expansion. But it is estimated that as many as a third of all Windows products being used are pirate copies, from which Microsoft receives no revenue.

According to the Business Software Alliance, the cost of pirated software in the UK to national and international software publishers is valued at over £1 billion.

From today, when a computer user starts to download updates, a program, called Windows Genuine Advantage, will scan the machine to see if itís running a valid version of Microsoft's Windows platform.

After prompting customers that their operating systems need to be authenticated, the program will scan the computer, detecting the product number automatically.

If the program detects a counterfeit copy, it will offer two options. Customers who fill out a piracy report, provide proof of purchase and send in the counterfeit CDs, will get a free copy of Windows.


Those who simply submit a piracy report, giving details of when, where and from whom the operating system was purchased, and send in the counterfeit copy, will get Windows at half price.

The authentication process, optional until Monday, will in future be required for all software updates except security patches.

Microsoft also faces competition from the growing popularity of open source platforms, such as Linux. The company has identified opportunities to grow its business by increasing the number of PCs per household and by focusing on emerging markets.
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Excellent.
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if they're so worried about pirating, why are they so friendly to china and make special versions just for the commies. China has factories that pump out illegal cds with counterfeit COAs hologram and all
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Just a note that you will still be able to get critical security patches if you have Automatic Updating turned on. You just can't get them or the Optional Updates manually through the Windows Update site. You also can't download stuff from their Download center (Anti-Spyware Beta, Windows Media Player 10, etc.)
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It's already been cracked
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If you can still get security updates what's the point? You can't get Windows Media player 10! Whooopidy doo....
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Originally Posted by matome
It's already been cracked
It's so simple it's funny. Just as bad as the Magic Marker and SHIFT tricks for CD copy protection. All you have to do is disable the Windows Genuine Advantage plugin under Tools->Manage Add-ons... It's not even a "crack," you're just disabling plug-ins using the tools Microsoft provided. hahahahahahahaaa
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Originally Posted by Mopower
If you can still get security updates what's the point? You can't get Windows Media player 10! Whooopidy doo....
True, but you also can't get troubleshooting programs either, such as uphclean (User Profile Hive Cleaner). MS figures it would be detrimental to them to have millions of pirated XP installs having wide open security holes, giving them headaches.
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There's a different, real, work around that uses javascript in the address bar.
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Originally Posted by shaun3000
It's so simple it's funny. Just as bad as the Magic Marker and SHIFT tricks for CD copy protection. All you have to do is disable the Windows Genuine Advantage plugin under Tools->Manage Add-ons... It's not even a "crack," you're just disabling plug-ins using the tools Microsoft provided. hahahahahahahaaa
Don't you think MS will then have an easy way to target people and their computers who purposely disable this add-on? I mean, why else would a person disable this add-on, if only for the reason to prevent from being found out. If you ask me, it's a ploy by MS to make people who use pirated copies, to switch this off.
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I would imagine most non-computer savvy people will see that Validation failed screen and start shitting. MS is probably hoping it'll scare them into buying a real license.
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Ahh. Another reminder of why I switched back to Linux.
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The goal is to catch those selling counterfit copies of windows, and in this regard it should be pretty successful. It's one thing for someone who knows they have an illegitimate copy to bypass the check, but this will make it more difficult to keep an unsuspecting user in the dark.
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Looks like a great way to get Windows XP for half price (no receipt for Proof of Purchase)!

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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Don't you think MS will then have an easy way to target people and their computers who purposely disable this add-on? I mean, why else would a person disable this add-on, if only for the reason to prevent from being found out. If you ask me, it's a ploy by MS to make people who use pirated copies, to switch this off.
Yeah, except that there is no way to prove the person didn't just turn it off to protect their privacy. Just because you're tech-saavy doesn't mean you use pirated software.
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Originally Posted by gcbrowni
There's a different, real, work around that uses javascript in the address bar.
It does the same thing. It just disables it as a tag in the URL instead of permanently disabling it through IE.

As an alternative, check out Windiz Update: windowsupdate.62nds.com/

Doesn't replace Microsoft update, though (No updates for Office)
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THey will never follow through with this....here is an example why...
ABC company has legal versions of WIN XP profesional installed on there 3000+ laptops. One of ABC companies salesmen, gets infected with a worm or virus. Rather than have ABC Company fix the unit (and find his copys of "hot harry women porn") he reinstalls XP but uses some random KEY he got at a crack website.
NOw a few weeks goes by, and he is unable to patch a small security hole due to this new MS policy. A few more days goes by, and just as he is about to seal a $2mill sale to XYZ corp, his PC crashes because of this hole.
BAM, ABC corp sues MS because the PC DOES have a valid license. Yes, the legal people can argue for 10 years on this, but will MS want to deal with the hassle? NOPE!!!
This will die a quite death over the next few months and be forgoten.
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Isn't XP installed on all machines when you buy them? Who is using pirated windows? Someone that has a 5 year old machine running ME?
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Isn't XP installed on all machines when you buy them? Who is using pirated windows? Someone that has a 5 year old machine running ME?
don't forget people that build there own systems, but they're savy enough to bypass, or find a bypass online for, any security scheme M$ comes up with
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Originally Posted by mikehunt
don't forget people that build there own systems, but they're savy enough to bypass, or find a bypass online for, any security scheme M$ comes up with
Yep. Also lots of people reformat their new store-bought computers right away with a clean install of XP to remove all the bloatware and trial crap that the manufacturer installs on the comp (Free AOL, PaintShop Pro trial, 6-months of Norton, etc.). It's the first thing I did when I got my new Dell laptop. And you usually need an XP install disc instead of the crappy restore discs the manufacturer's include, since the bloat is usually integrated right into it.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Campagnone
THey will never follow through with this....here is an example why...
ABC company has legal versions of WIN XP profesional installed on there 3000+ laptops. One of ABC companies salesmen, gets infected with a worm or virus. Rather than have ABC Company fix the unit (and find his copys of "hot harry women porn") he reinstalls XP but uses some random KEY he got at a crack website.
NOw a few weeks goes by, and he is unable to patch a small security hole due to this new MS policy. A few more days goes by, and just as he is about to seal a $2mill sale to XYZ corp, his PC crashes because of this hole.
BAM, ABC corp sues MS because the PC DOES have a valid license. Yes, the legal people can argue for 10 years on this, but will MS want to deal with the hassle? NOPE!!!
This will die a quite death over the next few months and be forgoten.
On what grounds does ABC Corp have to sue Microsoft?
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Yeah, sounds like it's the company's fault for not locking down/protecting the computer, or more so the employee himself. MS forced the guy to get a key off the internet instead of going out and buying one at Best Buy?
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Isn't XP installed on all machines when you buy them? Who is using pirated windows? Someone that has a 5 year old machine running ME?

I've have 3 computers I built for myself. I'm not going to buy 3 copies of windows. That's almost $400 just for the OS. Screw that. Microsoft should sell licenses for $50 a pop. Then people would be able to afford it. If Linux could run all the games I have then I'd switch to that. It's free.
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Originally Posted by Mopower
I've have 3 computers I built for myself. I'm not going to buy 3 copies of windows. That's almost $400 just for the OS. Screw that. Microsoft should sell licenses for $50 a pop. Then people would be able to afford it. If Linux could run all the games I have then I'd switch to that. It's free.
I know if it were $50 they'd have a lot less pirating. I'll never pay $200 for an OS for my personal use.
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I forgot ... stealing is OK if you can't afford it and the company SUXXXXXXX anyway ....

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