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Old 04-30-05, 05:09 AM
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nVidia GeForce 6600GT vs. nVidia GeForce 6800

Which video card should I get a GeForce 6600GT or a GeForce 6800?

Here's my current system specs:
Shuttle SB65G2 SFF PC
P4 2.8GHz HT
1GB Kingston RAM 2x512 running in dual channel mode (can't remember speed)
MSI GeForce Ti4200
17" analog LCD monitor @ 1280x1024
Windows XP Pro

Here's the GeForce 6800 I'm looking at for $200 after MIR:

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814150068

Here's the GeForce 6600GT I'm looking at for $160:

http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814145107

I'm hoping to play most new games (except Doom 3) at 1280x1024 with graphics turned to max. I'm currently playing Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, and I'm looking forward to Battlefield 2 and Star Wars: Battlefront 2.

I've read that both cards are similar up to and including at 1280x1024 with no AA or AF on, but once they are turned on the 6800 blows the 6600GT away. I currently don't use AA or AF since my card can't really handle it so I don't think I'll miss it. Also, I've read that the 6800 has 4 extra pipes than the 6600GT, and you can unlock 4 more in addition to unlocking another vertex shader. I don't know how much this would really help, but I'm just throwing it out there. I probably wouldn't overclock since I have a SFF PC.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Get the 6600GT. I have one and it's awesome. I have heard the difference between the 6600GT and the vanilla 6800 is not noticeable.
Old 04-30-05, 10:19 AM
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Yeah, if you're going for the 6800, get the BFG 6800GT OC. Otherwise, the 6600GT.
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I upgraded from a Sapphire 9800Pro Ultra to the Gigabyte 6800 passive-cooled and the difference was astounding. I was considering the 6600GT which is a mighty kick-ass card as well, but I have the 24" Dell monitor so I needed the card that would excel at higher resolutions, so I went with the 6800 with it's 256bit bus. I was able to unlock the 4 extra pipes with RivaTuner (but not the extra shader; got artifacts when I tried that) and that bumped my 3DMark05 scores up another 15% without any overclocking. Unlocking this stuff is hit or miss though, from what Ive read on forums.

The Nvidia 6-series cards are just awesome For that reason alone, I just ordered a Dell Inspiron 9300 with the mobile version of the 6800. Can't wait to play HL2 on my laptop!
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I might look at this since it compares many cards to the 6600

http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...404/index.html
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Originally Posted by matome
I upgraded from a Sapphire 9800Pro Ultra to the Gigabyte 6800 passive-cooled and the difference was astounding. I was considering the 6600GT which is a mighty kick-ass card as well, but I have the 24" Dell monitor so I needed the card that would excel at higher resolutions, so I went with the 6800 with it's 256bit bus. I was able to unlock the 4 extra pipes with RivaTuner (but not the extra shader; got artifacts when I tried that) and that bumped my 3DMark05 scores up another 15% without any overclocking. Unlocking this stuff is hit or miss though, from what Ive read on forums.

The Nvidia 6-series cards are just awesome For that reason alone, I just ordered a Dell Inspiron 9300 with the mobile version of the 6800. Can't wait to play HL2 on my laptop!
damn dude!
how about a loan!
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Originally Posted by twikoff
damn dude!
how about a loan!
Not really a Dell person, but it's hard to turn down those below-the-radar $750 off $2000 purchase coupons that pop up once in a while. I got a pretty damn good spec'd gaming 9300 laptop (plus a free printer!) for just $1500 with that coupon. Of course I see there's now a $200 off coupon for the 24" monitor I paid full price for last month too .

http://www.techbargains.com/dellcoupons.cfm
Old 05-01-05, 03:19 AM
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Thanks for all of the replies. From this thread:

http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.c...119/index.html

I'm leaning towards the 6800. The $100 difference in price between the 6800 and the 6800GT precludes me from getting the GT. If I could afford it I would get it. $200 is on the high end of my limit so the 6800 is the highest I could go.

gcribbs, from that article you posted it seems like the 6600GTs are better than the 6800. I'm not sure which article to believe. It also seems like a lot of those cards are clocked higher than the reference. I don't see any of those cards listed at newegg. Do you have any recommended dealers that stock those cards? Especially the Gigabyte since Gainward isn't currently available in the U.S.

matome, That's cool. You're helping me lean towards the 6800 as well. I know that the chance of unlocking the pipes and the shader seems about 50% from what I've read. I think I'm eventually going to get the Dell XPS Gen 2 laptop, but I need something to tie me over for now. Those Dell coupons are killing me! I have to wait until next year after I'm married and start my graduate degree program before I can get a new laptop. Hopefully they'll have some good coupons then. They'll probably be on the XPS Gen 3 as well.
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THe XPS Gen 2 was way more than I wanted to spend even with the $750 off, though even with the exclusive options of the 2.13 Pentium M and the 6800 Ultra, I don't see the price difference justification between that and the 9300. Maybe it's the LED bling . Anyway, Dell puts out those super coupons pretty frequently (though they expire quick), so if you keep your eye on those coupon sites, you should be able to get a great deal.

The 6800 and 6600GT are comparable in performance at the lower resolutions and with no AA/AF, but once you move up in res and turn on the filtering the 6800 pulls ahead quickly with it's wider bus and piping. The 6800 was was easily handling anything I threw at it before I unlocked the pipes, so that was just gravy. I think the 6800 will give you a little more future-proofing than the 6600GT.
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Newegg has the the Gigabyte 6600GT's:

PCIExpress $179

AGP $199

Here's the Gigabyte 6800 that I have:

AGP $262

It's a huge and heavy mother with the passive heatsinks, but the thing is silent which is a necessity for me. If you plan to overclock the video card it's probably better to go with one that has a fan on it though.

www.zipzoomfly.com (another great dealer) has the Gigabyte 6600GT AGP $10 cheaper than Newegg, but is more expensive on the 6800. They also have the 6600GT passive-cooled for $239 (but at this point I would just drop another $23 and get the 6800):

6600GT AGP passive-cooled $239

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Old 05-01-05, 09:09 PM
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The 6800 is weaker for home theater, it doesn't do hardware wmv HD IIRC.

Newegg was selling the 6600GT fanless for around 215 shipped but then sold out and pulled it from their site. Sucks bigtime since ZipZoom is charging such a premium for it. I really want it for a HTPC I have since the regulars are so friggin loud.
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Yep, I remember seeing the fanless on Newegg a couple of weeks ago but it was never in stock, and now it's gone for some reason.
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Yeap, I had it on my watch list, I checked for it every day, now it's gone, and they didn't email anything to let us know it's gone...

I can't believe Gigabyte is the only one making it since it seems in such high demand. That card has the HTPC scene won over completely. I got the Rosewill for my TV HTPC, it's super noisy but not a huge deal since it's behind a drawer and it's just for TV. I need something ultra quiet for my THeater HTPC though. Looks like I'll just have to bite the bullet on it at ZipZoom
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the biggest thing to take into account when getting a higher end card is how many pipelines you're getting and the memory path i.e. 128bit or 256bit. it is a proven fact that even a 64MB card with a 256bit path can out preform a 128MB top end car with a 128bit path.

a major example is the xbox or ps2 etc.

after going from a 5700 ultra to a 9800XT i'll never go get a card with anything less than a 256bit path. and now i have an x800xt AIW. it is simple computer crap more paths is better. i'm an ati fan, but if i was buy nvidia again i'd get the 6800 it is a really really nice card.
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Originally Posted by Gallant Pig

I can't believe Gigabyte is the only one making it since it seems in such high demand. That card has the HTPC scene won over completely. I got the Rosewill for my TV HTPC, it's super noisy but not a huge deal since it's behind a drawer and it's just for TV. I need something ultra quiet for my THeater HTPC though. Looks like I'll just have to bite the bullet on it at ZipZoom
My previous card was a Sapphire 128 MB ATI 9800 Pro Ultra which is passively cooled as well (with the Zalman kit no less). It might not quite reach the level of the 6600GT nowadays, but it could be an option if you're looking for a silent and good HTPC card and save some cash. Newegg has it for $170. The heatsink is huge on this though (much larger than Gigabyte's Nvidias), but the card itself is about an inch shorter length-wise than my 6800. I made the mistake of building my HTPC rig in an Antec Aria case with a MicroATX board. As of now it's running off the Intel Extreme2 video until I figure out what to do to get a decent passive card that fits.

9800 Pro 128MB passive $169

9800 Pro 256MB passive $205

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Originally Posted by matome
My previous card was a Sapphire 128 MB ATI 9800 Pro Ultra which is passively cooled as well (with the Zalman kit no less). It might not quite reach the level of the 6600GT nowadays, but it could be an option if you're looking for a silent and good HTPC card and save some cash. Newegg has it for $170. The heatsink is huge on this though (much larger than Gigabyte's Nvidias), but the card itself is about an inch shorter length-wise than my 6800. I made the mistake of building my HTPC rig in an Antec Aria case with a MicroATX board. As of now it's running off the Intel Extreme2 video until I figure out what to do to get a decent passive card that fits.

9800 Pro 128MB passive $169

9800 Pro 256MB passive $205
Those 9800s would definately not fit in my Shuttle SFF case.

I'm now heavily leaning towards the 6800 since it's only $40 more than the 6600GT, but I need to order it by the 8th to get the $30 rebate.

Edit: I just checked out ZipZoomFly, and they have the same XFX GeForce 6800 card as Newegg for the same price. Also they have free 2nd day shipping, and they say the rebate is good for the month of May. BUT I can't find the rebate form. Does anyone know how to download it?

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right here right here http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814102492 that is if you win the lotto or something. i think since you have the self control to watch your pennies you can go with me when i need a new card. so i don't buy another one of these for an Internet machine or something.
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Originally Posted by karnblack
Those 9800s would definately not fit in my Shuttle SFF case.

I'm now heavily leaning towards the 6800 since it's only $40 more than the 6600GT, but I need to order it by the 8th to get the $30 rebate.

Edit: I just checked out ZipZoomFly, and they have the same XFX GeForce 6800 card as Newegg for the same price. Also they have free 2nd day shipping, and they say the rebate is good for the month of May. BUT I can't find the rebate form. Does anyone know how to download it?

REBATE LINK

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/rebate/XFX...018_043005.pdf

this rebate is for a 6600 not a 6800 it is the only one they have for video cards that is active now.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Special/Rebate_center.jsp

go to the bottom of the page on that link to contact them about a rebate on a 6800.
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Originally Posted by BeanDip0001
right here right here http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16814102492 that is if you win the lotto or something. i think since you have the self control to watch your pennies you can go with me when i need a new card. so i don't buy another one of these for an Internet machine or something.
If I won the lotto I would probably get a couple of these:

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...ct_Code=190486

and run them in SLI mode.

I'd probably also build a computer around this setup as well since they aren't compatible with my current system since we're dreaming.

My self control comes from the fact that I'm getting married this fall. If I wasn't in a relationship I'd probably get the Dell XPS Gen 2 gaming laptop right now, but my priorities have changed.


Originally Posted by BeanDip0001
REBATE LINK

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/rebate/XFX...018_043005.pdf

this rebate is for a 6600 not a 6800 it is the only one they have for video cards that is active now.

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Special/Rebate_center.jsp

go to the bottom of the page on that link to contact them about a rebate on a 6800.
Thanks. I just emailed them to let them know. Hopefully I'll hear back soon so I can order it. Free 2nd day is just cool. I could have this card by the weekend. I'm getting excited just thinking about it.
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If you want to play the latest games at higher resolutions, get the 6800. Why? Because even though the 6600GT has faster memory and clock speeds, it's limited by it's 128 bit bus and 8 pixel pipelines.

The 6800 has a 256 bit memory bus, and has 12 pixel pipelines, 4 more than the 6600GT. Plus 6 vertex pipelines to the 6600GT's 4. It also has high peak memory bandwidth. So it will play the latest games, better at that particular resolution.

Both are great cards. The 6600GT can play most anything smoothly, but once you get above 1024X768 with AA and AF turned on, it falls behind the 6800.
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I ended up getting an EVGA 6800 the same week Battlefield 2 came out. I had some issues with it at first, but once they were resolved it was gravy.

I play at 1280x1024 with AA and AF set to max, and all of the graphical options set to max except textures and geometry which are set to medium. My framerates usually average around 40fps while rarely dipping below 30fps.

I'm also playing KOTOR2, TRON 2.0 and Sid Meier's Pirates. They are really awesome with being able to turn the graphics setting to maximum. I also just picked up Half-Life 2, but I'm not going to start on that until I finish either KOTOR2 or TRON 2.0. I also might have to dig up some old games I never finished to see how fresh they look and feel.
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I ended up getting an EVGA 6800 the same week Battlefield 2 came out. I had some issues with it at first, but once they were resolved it was gravy.
Cool deal. I had a MSI 6600GT, and upgraded to a MSI 7800GTX. I will keep that one for at least 3 years because I refuse to pay that kind of money for at least that long.
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Shit, that 7800 must be kick ass I don't mind spending for quality parts, but $500+ for a vid card is a little more than I could justify (no matter how hard the voices in my head keep trying to convince me). I guess a little down the road I could eventually pick up another 6800 and SLI them, but it pains me to think that one 7800 would still beat the shit out of that setup.
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The one thing that's helped me avoid getting a 7800GTX is that I'd have to pretty much build a new computer since my current one is an old architecture with AGP. That plus I'm getting married in two weeks and I need to have some money to spend on my honeymoon.
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Congrats! Yeah, you have to have a pretty powerful CPU to keep up with the 7800. Otherwise, you'll be running in place because the CPU can't compute fast enough for the 7800. I've got an Athlon 64 4000+ and even it can be the weak link with this card. Not often, but it happens.

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