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Old 06-24-04, 11:15 PM
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Hotmail, Yahoo and Google, where do they get the storage from ?

1 gig, 250 meg a person, that is a hell of a lot of storage space

Where physically is this all located ? and how much for the hardware would it cost them ?

I just can't comprehend how much storage space is involved
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well.. I know where google is located
but legally, Im not allowed to say
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I think they figure that most people will only use 10% or less of their allotted space. I don't think that google really has 1 gig available for every user who signs up (they might now, but not when they go for open sign ups). Would they be able to make money if they bought 1 gig for every user? I don't think so, but I may be wrong.
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bdrules is correct. Just because your email addy has 1gig capacity doesn't mean hat they set aside 1 gig for you that slowly fills up. The actual space used is much less. I have no idea on the actual numbers, but my guess is that the average is even lower than bdrules estimates...probably less than 1%.
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You have to also consider that they must use compression and the actual amount of storage used to hold 1GB of uncompressed mostly-text is very much less. Like only 250MB at most.

But I guess they consider that even that amount of storage is worth it when they're harvesting your text for marketing intelligence.
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Yah, I was checking out Yahoo and the new storage limits and found the disclaimer at the bottom where it says

NOTICE: We collect personal information on this site.

Well, to get something you lose something I suppose.

I'm sure that the majority of people out there have no clue about personal info collection anyways. Ignorance is bliss.
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What information does Yahoo collect though? According to articles that I've read, GMail is the only email service that scans your email in order to target you with ads. Supposedly Yahoo and Hotmail do not do this. If Yahoo doesn't scan your email then how exactly are they collecting personal information?
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I just got an email from SBC saying that my email accounts have been upgraded to 2 gig per account. Not that I'd EVER use that much.
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Originally posted by hector031
What information does Yahoo collect though? According to articles that I've read, GMail is the only email service that scans your email in order to target you with ads. Supposedly Yahoo and Hotmail do not do this. If Yahoo doesn't scan your email then how exactly are they collecting personal information?
they probably sell it to marketing companies
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i'm thinking they use NAS boxes with IDE drives.
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My vote is for a bunch of daisy chained USB hubs with 7 USB thumb drives on each hub.
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Georgia, Atlanta if memory serves from the resume I sent them

Originally posted by twikoff
well.. I know where google is located
but legally, Im not allowed to say
Old 06-25-04, 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by hector031
What information does Yahoo collect though? According to articles that I've read, GMail is the only email service that scans your email in order to target you with ads. Supposedly Yahoo and Hotmail do not do this. If Yahoo doesn't scan your email then how exactly are they collecting personal information?
Remember, when you sign up for Yahoo! Mail they ask you stuff like education, occupation, income, number of people in your home, pets, home electronics you may have, number of vacations you've taken, amount of disposable income, hobbies, etc, etc. Given that base of knowledge, they can see how many times you logged into your Yahoo! Mail account and they can tailor ads for you (Male, 32-35 years old, >$100k income, graduate degree, with home audio system, etc would probably like info on a European vacation)
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Originally posted by mikehunt
Georgia, Atlanta if memory serves from the resume I sent them
i actually meant their servers.. not the company
they dont own the datacenter they reside in
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Well considering I can walk into a CompUSA and buy a 250 Gb harddrive for about $180, I don't think it's that big a stretch.
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Originally posted by mikehunt
Georgia, Atlanta if memory serves from the resume I sent them
They're headquartered in Mountain View, CA. They have sales offices all over, though.
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Originally posted by twikoff
i actually meant their servers.. not the company
they dont own the datacenter they reside in

I think I read somewhere that they use multiple data center locations, etc for multiple reasons (DR, avoiding network issues to just one site, latency, etc)
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Originally posted by sniper308
I think I read somewhere that they use multiple data center locations, etc for multiple reasons (DR, avoiding network issues to just one site, latency, etc)
nope
pretty sure all servers are in a single location that guarantees a 100% sla

actually.. Im almost positive of it

if anyone remembers where i work.. it wouldnt be hard to figure out
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I remember where you work, but it still seems hard to believe they operate their entire network out of 1 site. That would be amazingly foolish.

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Originally posted by twikoff
well.. I know where google is located
but legally, Im not allowed to say
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Originally posted by twikoff
nope
pretty sure all servers are in a single location that guarantees a 100% sla

actually.. Im almost positive of it

if anyone remembers where i work.. it wouldnt be hard to figure out
yeah I don't think it would be too smart either ... where I work we have multiple data centers and clustered systems, replicated SANs, etc in order to ensure uptime and meeting our SLAs.

I'll have to dig up the article, but it was a specific article on how Google technology worked, etc and I could have sworn they indicated multiple sites, etc. They did not name the sites.
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just showing the job I applied for, still being posted 4 months later
http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob....2C554&q=google
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Originally posted by sniper308
yeah I don't think it would be too smart either ... where I work we have multiple data centers and clustered systems, replicated SANs, etc in order to ensure uptime and meeting our SLAs.

I'll have to dig up the article, but it was a specific article on how Google technology worked, etc and I could have sworn they indicated multiple sites, etc. They did not name the sites.
if the article is more than a few months old
might not be very accurate anymore
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Originally posted by twikoff
if the article is more than a few months old
might not be very accurate anymore
there is no way in hell they are located at a single location. From a technological and business point of view it makes no sense. Especially when it was estimated that they have 1 million+ servers. One of the first steps in service/data providers you make to greatly increase security and performance on a small business scale is to acquire servers in a seperate data center. I would guess that they have dozens of locations at a minimum.

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