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Old 01-27-04, 09:07 PM
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Going to upgrade processor, what do you guys think?

OK, I am going to upgrade my processor this week and wanted to know what you guys think. I am going AMD and I was looking at the XP 3200 retail for $217.00 shipped from Newegg link
or should I scale back and pick up the XP 2500 Barton for $90.00? I am currently running an XP 1800.

I was even looking at going with the Athlon 64 3000+ for

$224.00 at newegg but then I would need to pick up a mobo.

Thanks for the advise.

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Get the 2500+ Barton, a good heatsink/fan and overclock it to 3200+ speed.
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the 2500+ is definitely at a better price point, but will the difference in performance between 1800 and 2500 be all that noticeable? depending on your system, the money might be better spent on more memory or video card, or...
Old 01-27-04, 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by Eeyore
the 2500+ is definitely at a better price point, but will the difference in performance between 1800 and 2500 be all that noticeable? depending on your system, the money might be better spent on more memory or video card, or...
I currently have 768 mb of ram and ATI 9600 pro 128mb video card. So, I was thinking the processor is the weak point.
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What motherboard do you have now? Many of the older Athlon motherboards don't support the 400mhz FSB for the 3200+
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Nah, save your money for socket 939 AMD CPUs + new mobo when they come out in a few months. Unless you're doing massive video editing, getting that new CPU's really a waste of money.
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Correction: this is my current mobo ms-6380. The one I listed prior was my old mobo.
http://www20.tomshardware.com/mother..._kt266-16.html


UPDATE!! I just updated my bios and now it states it will suppor the following:
1. This is AMI BIOS release.
2. This BIOS fixes the following problems of the previous version:
-Support AMD Barton XP3000+ (FSB333) CPU (For KT3 Ultra2 Only)
-Add "CPU Halt Command Detection" item in the BIOS Setup.
-Fixed ATI 8500 AGP card cannot be used.
3. 2003/02/24ms-6380

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With that motherboard, you can only use Processors with 266 MHz Front Side Bus:

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/produc...il.php?UID=386

Therefore, the highest you can go with that motherboard is 2600:

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/4961-1.htm

Like it was said earlier, wait a couple months and upgrade your mobo & CPU to the new AMD.
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Originally posted by TheKobra
I currently have 768 mb of ram and ATI 9600 pro 128mb video card. So, I was thinking the processor is the weak point.
What are you doing with the computer that convinced you that the CPU is the weak point? Assuming you're running 2000/XP, have you used the task manager to watch CPU usage?

My experience would be that hard drive speeds are the biggest bottleneck--on any system.
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Originally posted by danw
What are you doing with the computer that convinced you that the CPU is the weak point? Assuming you're running 2000/XP, have you used the task manager to watch CPU usage?

My experience would be that hard drive speeds are the biggest bottleneck--on any system.
There's always the ability to go just a little bit faster. I know it would probably be negligible, but I'm running a XP1900 and would like to upgrade, but would need a new mobo (I'm stuck at 266 FSB also). So I'm going to wait.

Nah, save your money for socket 939 AMD CPUs + new mobo when they come out in a few months. Unless you're doing massive video editing, getting that new CPU's really a waste of money.
Fuzzy, could you expound on this? I've been trying to follow all the new AMD chips, the new socket, the 64 bit processors, etc., but what exactly is the 939 and how upgradeable will it be? I know I could probably find the answer somewhere, but it's easier just to get someone who knows what they're talking about So is the 939 the Athlon64 chipset?
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Originally posted by danw
What are you doing with the computer that convinced you that the CPU is the weak point? Assuming you're running 2000/XP, have you used the task manager to watch CPU usage?

My experience would be that hard drive speeds are the biggest bottleneck--on any system.
The Von Neumann bottleneck! YEAH!
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Originally posted by Blake
There's always the ability to go just a little bit faster. I know it would probably be negligible, but I'm running a XP1900 and would like to upgrade, but would need a new mobo (I'm stuck at 266 FSB also). So I'm going to wait.

Fuzzy, could you expound on this? I've been trying to follow all the new AMD chips, the new socket, the 64 bit processors, etc., but what exactly is the 939 and how upgradeable will it be? I know I could probably find the answer somewhere, but it's easier just to get someone who knows what they're talking about So is the 939 the Athlon64 chipset?
The current Athlon64 sockets, 754 for the Athlon 64's and 940 for the FX's are going to be succeeded this year by 939. 754 should actually last longer (and i still feel its a great deal with Athlon 64 3000+ and 3200+ chips around 200-250 dollars), supposedly up until around the 3700+ range but are still the mainstream versions of the Athlon 64. Socket 940's, the current high end, doesn't look like it will support much more then the current FX 53 which runs at 2.4 ghz.

939, which should come the 2nd quarter of this year, will support Dual Channel and do away with the registered ram requirement of socket 940 and be the flagship for AMD for some time.

For a quick and easy read, check out Anandtech's AMD CPU roadmap.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1947


P.S. I'm in a similar situation, with an XP 1800+ with a motherboard that only supports 266mhz FSB CPU's. It's actually hard to find 266mhz FSB Athlon XP 2600's... the best you can do is the 2400+. If you need a boost in performance, for ~70 bucks its not too shabby, but probably not worth it.
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I don't have a problem upgrading my MOBO. If I were to go with the 3200xp what MOBO would you guys go with? I have always had good luck with the MSI!
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Personally, i don't think there is any reason to upgrade your motherboard just so you can get an Athlon XP 3200+. The XP line is dead with AMD's moving to their Athlon 64's. An Athlon 64 3000+ and a new motherboard would be a much better move, both performance wise and future upgradability. Not that much greater a price difference either.
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Originally posted by fumanstan
Personally, i don't think there is any reason to upgrade your motherboard just so you can get an Athlon XP 3200+. The XP line is dead with AMD's moving to their Athlon 64's. An Athlon 64 3000+ and a new motherboard would be a much better move, both performance wise and future upgradability. Not that much greater a price difference either.
I agree I would not spend money on upgrading to another XP processor only to be looking at all those neat faster processors 6 months or a year from now

I might try to get a 2400+ and see if you can inch it up a bit thru overclocking and using your existing MB. then look to a new processor and MB later in the year.

This is how I am leaning myself with my 1800+

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Old 01-29-04, 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by fumanstan
Personally, i don't think there is any reason to upgrade your motherboard just so you can get an Athlon XP 3200+. The XP line is dead with AMD's moving to their Athlon 64's. An Athlon 64 3000+ and a new motherboard would be a much better move, both performance wise and future upgradability. Not that much greater a price difference either.
OK, this is what I am now looking at then:
AMD 64 3000+ and the following mobo MSI K8T Neo for $96.60 shipped. What do you guys think?

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