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Old 05-05-02, 07:18 PM
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How much will a 60.0GB hard drive hold?

I am not to familiar with all this kb, gb, etc.....

I am going to be getting an internal hard drive to store mp3's, pics, vids, etc.....

Most of the mp3's are about 3,500 - 4,500kb
..and my pics range from 50kb on up to 155kb

Is there a way I can figure out about how many a 20, 60, or 100GB would hold?

If there is a formula, I can just plug in #'s and get an idea of about what size hard drive I should get

...and if someone wants to recommend a nice 7,400 (less than $200) internal hard drive I'm open for suggestions.

Thanks for any input on this!
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Old 05-05-02, 07:26 PM
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20 GB will hold around 5500 MP3s, assuming 3.5 MB each

when you buy a HD, the manuf. defines 1 KB as 10^3, 1 MB as 10^6, etc. Now, computers work in bytes, so one MB would be 2^20, or 1,048,578 bytes, and one GB would be 2^30 or 1,073,741,824 Bytes. HD companies use this deceptive method to make it seem like you're getting a better deal than you really are
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Old 05-05-02, 07:34 PM
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Check this out. 120GB, 7200RPM WD drive for $160 after rebates.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3132750/
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Originally posted by X
Check this out. 120GB, 7200RPM WD drive for $160 after rebates.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3132750/
But then again, it is WD - never had good experiences with them, but to each his own. Personally, I'm a Maxtor guy - never had one problem with them.
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But then again, it is WD - never had good experiences with them, but to each his own. Personally, I'm a Maxtor guy - never had one problem with them.
I totally agree. But the extremely low price of the WDs lately has caused me to buy three of them. Of course, I backup too.

The three year warranty helps a bit, and you're only paying $100-200 for the drives now. I have rejected the current line of Seagate IDEs because they only have 1 year warranties. It seems to say something about the manufacturer's confidence.

I believe the Maxtors also have three years and I would prefer them if the price was right. But we're not talking the old days of SCSI drives and prices. Drives are almost consumables now. At these low prices it's just about as economical to throw a second drive in as it is to backup on tape. I actually have a slower 80GB Maxtor backing up a fast 80GB WD now.
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I totally agree. But the extremely low price of the WDs lately has caused me to buy three of them. Of course, I backup too.

The three year warranty helps a bit, and you're only paying $100-200 for the drives now. I have rejected the current line of Seagate IDEs because they only have 1 year warranties. It seems to say something about the manufacturer's confidence.

I believe the Maxtors also have three years and I would prefer them if the price was right. But we're not talking the old days of SCSI drives and prices. Drives are almost consumables now. At these low prices it's just about as economical to throw a second drive in as it is to backup on tape. I actually have a slower 80GB Maxtor backing up a fast 80GB WD now.
One of the main reasons I chose my new motherboard is for the RAID capabilities. Prices are so low with hard drives, I'm going to take my 30 GB main drive and mirror it via RAID with another 30 Gig, when I get enough cash, I might end up mirroring my file storage drive, which is 80 gigs.

Most people think I'm crazy for having over 120 gigs on my system, but it's just so cheap now, and with all the huge files all over the net, how can you not have that many??
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One of the main reasons I chose my new motherboard is for the RAID capabilities. Prices are so low with hard drives, I'm going to take my 30 GB main drive and mirror it via RAID with another 30 Gig, when I get enough cash, I might end up mirroring my file storage drive, which is 80 gigs.

Most people think I'm crazy for having over 120 gigs on my system, but it's just so cheap now, and with all the huge files all over the net, how can you not have that many??
Just remember mirroring RAID does not protect against the more bonehead moves. Or viruses, etc.

I have 240GB of IDE and 27GB of SCSI on a server. And no pr0n!
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I bet a 60 gig HD will hold somewhere in the neighborhood of 60gig
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I bet a 60 gig HD will hold somewhere in the neighborhood of 60gig
Actually they only hold about 55.9 gigs, if you want to get picky

...or at least mine doesn't quite hold 60, and I believe this is true for other models. You've been lied to this whole time
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well thats why i said in THE NEIGHBORHOOD...I know they dont hold the advertised capacity My 20 gig from Dell holds a bit less
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sorry, must have missed that. just trying to be the friendly neighborhood smartass
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Check this out. 120GB, 7200RPM WD drive for $160 after rebates.

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3132750/
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check out forums.anandtech.com . go to their hot deals section. they have some good deals there.
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Originally posted by Seeker


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Still showing up for me....

I am about to order one
The local BB want $299 for this HD
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I just called COMPAQ to make sure this HD would work and the lady told me most likely it won't

She said the systems "biost" (sp?) may not recognize such a large hard drive. I told her I added 256RAM and it doesn't seem that is going to help. She pretty much said the PC is outdated and just not going to recognize the entire HD. She said it would be a waste. But, I explained to her that I will be buying my own pc one day and transferring the HD over.

So, what should I do? How can I make sure that I can at least use some of the 120GB? .....Anyway to determine how much of this 120GB I would be able to use on this Presario 7360?

Even if I can only use 40GB that is fine with me. Please let me know what I should do.

I feel if I get a 40GB like the lady recommends I am only cheating myself......

Thanks!

She also told me to do this update here:

SP17455.EXE - 1030K - May 16, 2001

TITLE: Presario Specific Models System ROM Update #1 for Models Sold in 2000

VERSION: 1.04 Rev A

LANGUAGE: English

OS: N/A

SUPERSEDES: SP15894, SP15675, SP14017, SP13520


Go HERE for the site!

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She is right that some BIOS don't recognize some ofthe larger drives, depending on how old the board is. You might be able to upgrade the BIOS off compaq's website, but I don't really know if that would make a difference. They might not even have BIOS updates if the computer is real old.
I really don't know how much of the drive computer will recognize.

my advice: I would go ahead and get it, especially if you are getting a new computer soon. That is an awesome price.
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sorry, I posted while you were editing that post. contact customer service and ask her if the update will fix the drive size limitations.
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I believe the WD utilities that come with the drive will handle that limitation. You could do a little looking at WD's site.
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Originally posted by LX98Civic
I just called COMPAQ to make sure this HD would work and the lady told me most likely it won't

She said the systems "biost" (sp?) may not recognize such a large hard drive. I told her I added 256RAM and it doesn't seem that is going to help. She pretty much said the PC is outdated and just not going to recognize the entire HD. She said it would be a waste. But, I explained to her that I will be buying my own pc one day and transferring the HD over.

So, what should I do? How can I make sure that I can at least use some of the 120GB? .....Anyway to determine how much of this 120GB I would be able to use on this Presario 7360?

Even if I can only use 40GB that is fine with me. Please let me know what I should do.

I feel if I get a 40GB like the lady recommends I am only cheating myself......

Even if true, you should be able to set up in multiple partitions, ie C: D: E: in whatever size chunks are necessary. In Windows 95 and prior, you could only have 2 GB partitions, and drives larger were set up as 2, 3, etc. partitions, each with a drive letter, but they weren't really physically separate drives.
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If the BIOS can't see (or handle) that big a drive you can't partition it to be seen. It's a matter of how many heads and cylinders type stuff, not really the size. You can't access areas that the BIOS won't recognize.
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If the BIOS can't see (or handle) that big a drive you can't partition it to be seen. It's a matter of how many heads and cylinders type stuff, not really the size. You can't access areas that the BIOS won't recognize.
Thank-you all for the info!!

It is true that my PC will be able to use this HD, just not really a way to tell how much of the 120GB, right? The lady was saying 40GB would be fine for this pc. That would be fine for me at this point since I don't see me grabbing that many mp3's & pics before I get the new pc. Who knows maybe Santa will bring me a new pc this Dec

Should I pick this one up? ...It seems like a steal!

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It's a very good deal. But if you can only use 40GB of it now you have to consider a few things. By the time you can use all of the drive prices will be lower again. Maybe way lower. So you could look at getting a 40GB now for about $60 and another drive later.

But chances are you can use the drive after installing their utility. Here's a FAQ from their website:

How do I install a large drive into an older computer that doesn't see the full capacity?

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How do I install a large hard drive into an older computer that doesn't see the full capacity?

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There are several possibilities to consider if your system BIOS will not support a large capacity drive like this.

Note: If the system is only recognizing 528MB, 2.1GB, 8.4GB, 32GB, 64GB of the hard drive, or something significantly less then the actual capacity of the hard drive, your system bios may not support the hard drive capacity. Below you will find some possible solutions to your limitation issues.

1. Check with the system or motherboard manufacturer to see if they have a BIOS upgrade available for your system.

2. You can purchase a PCI EIDE controller card. The controller card has two benefits. It will have its own BIOS to support the drive, and it will allow you to use the higher transfer rates that the drive is capable of. Western Digital's Online Store has a complete selection of PCI EIDE controller cards that allow you to see the full capacity of your drive and use the higher transfer rates.

3. A third option is to use our Data Lifeguard Tools disk to set up the drive. The Data Lifeguard Tools disk will install an overlay on the drive to support its full capacity.

Note: An overlay is a program that installs on the boot sector of your hard drive that will allow you to get the full size of the hard drive when your system bios will not handle larger capacity hard drives.
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2. You can purchase a PCI EIDE controller card. The controller card has two benefits. It will have its own BIOS to support the drive, and it will allow you to use the higher transfer rates that the drive is capable of. Western Digital's Online Store has a complete selection of PCI EIDE controller cards that allow you to see the full capacity of your drive and use the higher transfer rates.

3. A third option is to use our Data Lifeguard Tools disk to set up the drive. The Data Lifeguard Tools disk will install an overlay on the drive to support its full capacity.

Note: An overlay is a program that installs on the boot sector of your hard drive that will allow you to get the full size of the hard drive when your system bios will not handle larger capacity hard drives. [/i]
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I wonder how much option 3 would cost Is it just something I can DL from Western's site I see it says program that is why I ask. I bet option 2 would be more
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Option 3 comes with the drive and/or is downloadable at their site. It's free.
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Option 3 comes with the drive and/or is downloadable at their site. It's free.



Just what I wanted to hear.

...off to order my 120GB drive!

Thanks!!!

PS <> You guys will help me install this bad boy, right?

I'm so impatient: Overnight shipping for $11.48 ...vs. the ground for $6.?? and 2nd day was like $8.??

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