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Old 04-23-20, 06:14 PM
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

I'm still a little confused by what I've been reading. I have AT&T Fiber for broadband internet, but no TV service. Is my understanding correct that AT&T is going to bundle HBO Max for free with my fiber internet?
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

AT&T provides internet service only. They also offer UVerse which is AT&T, and your need that plus the tier that has HBO in order to get HBOMax. Although now I think they’re changing their TV service to AT&T TV and also now owns DirectTV.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Originally Posted by E Unit
AT&T provides internet service only. They also offer UVerse which is AT&T, and your need that plus the tier that has HBO in order to get HBOMax. Although now I think they’re changing their TV service to AT&T TV and also now owns DirectTV.
So, what does the following statement refer to in that context?
Also subscribers of premium AT&T mobile and broadband services, will be offered bundles with HBO Max at no extra charge.
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Oh nice! Where did you read that? I have Gigabit. Only thing I’ve read was on the HBOMax site that said this:
“Offer available only to new and existing HBO NOW subscribers who subscribe through hbonow.com and are billed by HBO. Offer not currently available to HBO subscribers that obtain their subscriptions through third-party providers that are authorized to distribute the HBO NOW service.“
third-party providers that are authorized to distribute the HBO NOW service.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Originally Posted by E Unit
Oh nice! Where did you read that? I have Gigabit. Only thing I’ve read was on the HBOMax site that said this:
“Offer available only to new and existing HBO NOW subscribers who subscribe through hbonow.com and are billed by HBO. Offer not currently available to HBO subscribers that obtain their subscriptions through third-party providers that are authorized to distribute the HBO NOW service.“
third-party providers that are authorized to distribute the HBO NOW service.
It's at the very bottom of the FAQ:
https://www.hbomax.com/faq/
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

https://deadline.com/2020/04/hbo-max...on-1202918784/

HBO Max will be available on Apple devices at launch.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

https://deadline.com/2020/04/hbo-max...ch-1202921217/

HBO Max will be available on Google and Android platforms at launch.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21...arnermedia-att

If you pre-order HBO Max right now, you will get it for $11.99/month for 1 year.

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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Originally Posted by DJariya
https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21...arnermedia-att

If you pre-order HBO Max right now, you will get it for $11.99/month for 1 year.
It looks like they start billing you right away and give you immediate access to HBO Now. Then it'll convert to HBOMax on May 27th.

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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Sucks for people who have existing accounts to HBO now. I think if you cancel, they don't refund.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-ne...me-on-may-27th

HBO MAX and Crunchyroll Team to Bring Fans More Anime On May 27th

TITLES AVAILABLE ON DAY ONE, MAY 27th:

Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood – Full Series (64 episodes)
Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (Director’s Cut) – Season 1 (13 episodes and 1 OVA)
In/Spectre – Season 1 (12 episodes)
Keep Your Hands off Eizouken – Season 1 (12 episodes)
Rurouni Kenshin – Full Series (94 episodes)
KONOSUBA -God's Blessing on this Wonderful World! – Seasons 1 and 2 (22 episodes)
Bungo Stray Dogs – Seasons 1 – 3 (37 episodes)
Berserk – Seasons 1 and 2 (26episodes)
Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress – Season 1 (12 episodes)
Kill la Kill – Season 1 (24 episodes)
Your Lie in April – Season 1 (22 episodes)
ERASED – Season 1 (12 episodes)
Kiznaiver – Season 1 (12 episodes)
Schwarzes Marken – Season 1 (12 episodes)
91 Days – Season 1 (13 episodes)
The Testament of Sister New Devil – Seasons 1 and 2 (22 episodes)
Rokka -Braves of the Six Flowers – Season 1 (12 episodes)

TITLES AVAILABLE AFTER INITIAL LAUNCH WINDOW

Hunter x Hunter
Death Note
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

HBO Max is killing it adding all this new content.

I currently have the DirecTV Premier package, which is the most expensive package, but with promos I have a discount. HBO Max comes free with that package.

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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Just unsubscribed my HBO account with Amazon Prime one day before it renewed and resubscribed to HBO Max for $11.99 a month for a year. That'll work for me.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

I have HBO with A T & T TV Now so do I get HBO Max for free?
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Originally Posted by dvd-4-life
I have HBO with A T & T TV Now so do I get HBO Max for free?
Yes according to the FAQ section on HBO Max's website
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

DOOM PATROL season 2 will debut June 25th.

https://tvline.com/2020/05/13/doom-p...-date-hbo-max/
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

I'm reading a lot of threads on Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere where the vast majority of people/posters think HBOMax is just some kind of HBO subscription with some old TV shows thrown in the mix. They really have no idea it's a Warner Bros. subscription service with exclusive shows and HBO added as a "perk." I think Warners is going to regret the name they chose for this. I thought so at the time (earlier in this thread) and it looks like it's coming true. I wonder if they'll rebrand it in a year or so.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

Any official word when HBO Max(yeah dumb name) will be available on Roku/Amazon Fire Tv devices?

As a back up plan I have a PC( HDMI out to TV) that I use for situation's like this when a streaming service starts out or is available on limited devices.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

The last time I had HBONow (for the last season of GoT) I tried watching a few movies like Wonder Woman and the aspect ratio was wrong. HBO has been notorious for years about this. Any word on if this practice is going to stop with the new service...? Otherwise it's DOA for me.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

It is odd watching Joker on HBO Go right now but it was not on demand for HBO.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

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It is odd watching Joker on HBO Go right now but it was not on demand for HBO.
Don't they usually wait until after the first showing on HBO?
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Not sure. I noticed it was on last night but missed the first 20 minutes.
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Re: HBO Max — Warnermedia streaming service launches May 2020

HBO Max movies on release date:

WARNER BROS. CLASSICS:

2001: A Space Odyssey

42nd Street

Adam’s Rib

The Adventures of Robin Hood

An American in Paris

Ben-Hur

Body Heat

Bonnie and Clyde

Bringing Up Baby

Cannery Row

Casablanca

Cheyenne Autumn

Cimarron

Citizen Kane

City of Angels

Cool Hand Luke

Countdown

Dirty Harry

Doctor Zhivago

East of Eden

Elvis: That’s the Way it is

Footlight Parade

Freaks

Giant
Gone with the Wind.Girl Crazy

Gold Diggers of 1933

Gold Diggers of 1935

Gone with the Wind

How the West was Won

Keeper of the Flame

King Kong

Klute

The Little Drummer Girl

Lolita

The Maltese Falcon

Mildred Pierce

Million Dollar Mermaid

Mrs. Soffel

Network

North by Northwest

Now, Voyager

The Nun’s Story

Pat and Mike

A Patch of Blue

The Philadelphia Store

Point Blank

Polyester

The Postman Always Rings Twice

Pride and Prejudice

Rebel Without a Cause
Rebel Without a Cause.Rhapsody in Blue

Rio Bravo

Romance on the High Seas

The Sea of Grass

The Searchers

Shall We Dance

Shoot the Moon

Singin’ in the Rain

The Singing Nun

The Song Remains the Same

A Star is Born (1954)

A Star is Born (1976)

A Streetcar Named Desire

Strike Up the Band

Tortilla Flat

The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

Wattstax

The Wild Bunch

Without Love

The Wizard of Oz

Woman of the Year

Woodstock
The 47 Ronin - Part 1.

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...And God Created Woman

16 Days of Glory

2 or 3 Things I Know About Her

The 3 Penny Opera

The 39 Steps

The 400 Blows

The 47 Ronin: Part 1

The 47 Ronin: Part 2

Ali: Fear Eats the Soul

Amarcord

An Angel at my Table

Ashes and Diamonds

Atlanta’s Olympic Glory

Au Revior Les Enfants

Autumn Sonata

Babette’s Feast

Battle of Algiers

Battleship Potemkin

The Beales of Grey Gardens

Beauty and the Beast

Belle De Jour

Bicycle Thieves

The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant

Black Girl

Black Narcissus

Black Orpheus

Blithe Spirit

The Blob

Blood Simple

Breaking the Waves

Breathless

Brief Encounter

A Brief History of Time

The Brood

Brute Force

Buena Vista Social Club

Calgary ‘88: 16 Days of Glory

Carnival of Souls

Chimes at Midnight

La Ciιnaga
Eraserhead.The Circus

City Lights

Cleo from 5 to 7

Cranes are Flying

Cries and Whispers

Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment

Cronos

Daisies

A Day in the Country

A Day’s Pleasure

The Daytrippers

Dead Man

Desert Hearts

Destroy All Monsters

Diabolique

Divorce Italian Style

A Dog’s Life

Don’t Look Back

Down by Law

The Earrings of Madame De

Eating Raoul

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep

Elevator to the Gallows

The Emporer Jones

The Entertainer

Equinox

Eraserhead

Europa

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Eyes Without a Face

F is for Fake

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Fanny and Alexander

Fantastic Planet
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla.Fat Girl

First Man Into Space

For All Mankind

Foreign Correspondant

The Four Feathers

Fox and His Friends

The Front Page

Funny Games

George Stevens: A Filmmakers Journey

George Stevens: D-Day to Berlin

Germany Year Zero

Gidorah, The Three Headed Monster

Gimmer Shelter

Godzilla

Godzilla Raids Again

Godzilla vs Mechadodzilla

Godzilla vs Megalon

Godzilla vs Gigan

Godzilla vs Hedorah

Godzilla, King of the Monsters!

The Gold Rush

The Gold Rush: 1942 Version

The Grand Olympics

Gray’s Anatomy

The Great Dictator

Great Expectations

Grey Gardens

Hamlet

Hanzo the Razor: Sword of Justice

Hanzo the Razor: The Snare

Hanzo the Razor: Who’s Got the Gold?

A Hard Day’s Night
A Hard Day’s Night.Harlan County U.S.A

Haxan: Witchcraft Through the Ages

Hearts and Minds

Henry V

The Hidden Fortress

Hobson’s Choice

The Honeymoon Killers

Hoop Dreams

House

I Married a Witch

I Shot Jesse James

I Was a Teenage Zombie

The Idle Class

Ikiru

The Immigrant

In the Mood for Love

In Vanda’s Room

Intermezzo

Invasion of Astro-Monster

Irma Vep

Ivan the Terrible Part 1

Ivan the Terrible Part 2

Jubilee

Jules and Jim

Juliet of the Spirits

The Jungle Book

The Kid

Kill!

The Killing of a Chinese Bookie

A king in New York

The King of Kings

Knife in the Water

Kwaidan
Lord of the Flies.Lady Snowblood

Lady Snowblood 2: Love Song of Vengeance

The Lady Vanishes

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The Last Emperor

The Last Metro

The Last Wave

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Late Spring

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Lillehammer ‘94: Days of Glory

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The Lodger: A Story of the London Fog

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Modern Times

Mon Oncle

Mona Lisa

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Monsieur Verdoux

Monterey Pop

The Most Dangerous Game

Motha vs Godzilla

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Nagano ‘98 Olympics: Stories of Honor and Glory

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Rashomon

The Red Ballon

Red Desert

The Red Shoes

Rembrandt

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Samurai Trilogy 2: Duel at Ichijoji Temple

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Scanners

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Taste of Cherry

A Taste of Honey

Terror of Mechagodzilla

The Testement of Dr Mabuse

That Hamilton Woman

The Thief of Bagdad

Three Colors: Blue

Three Colors: Red

Three Colors: White

Throne of Blood
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Time Me Up! Time Me Down!

Time Bandits

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The Tin Drum

To Be or not To Be

Tokyo Olympiad

Tokyo Story

Tom Jones

The Trial of Joan of Arc

True Stories

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me

Two English Girls

Ugetsu

Umberto D.

The Umbrellas of Cherbourg

Under the Volacno

Vampyr

Victim

Vivre Sa Vie

Voyage to Italy

The Wages of Fear

War and Peace

The War of the Gargantuas

The War Room

Watership Down

Weekend

Wild Strrawberries

Wings of Desire

Wise Blood

Withnail and I

A Woman of Paris

A Woman Under the Influencer

The X From Outer Space

Yojimbo

Young and Innocent

Young Girls

Z

TURNER FILMS

Freedom Song

Regular Show: The Movie
Howl’s Moving Castle.

THIRD PARTY TITLES

Annie Hall

The Awful Truth

Aya

Baby Boom

The Bells of St. Mary’s

Braveheart

Capricorn One

Castle in the Sky

The Cat Returns

Dr. Strangelove

Eagle Eye

Ella Enchanted

From Up on Poppy Hill

Good Will Hunting

Harold and Maude

Hey Arnold! The Movie

Howl’s Moving Castle

In Cold Blood

Kiki’s Delivery Service

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Kung Fu Panda

Last Holiday

The Last Waltz

Let’s Spend the Night Together

Lilies of the Field

Little Black Book

The Long Goodbye

Manhattan

Mona Lisa Smile

My Neighbor Totoro
Annie Hall.My Neighbors the Yamadas

Nausicaa of the Walley of the Wind

Ocean Waves

An Officer and a Gentleman

Once Upon a Time in the West

Only Angels have Wings

Only Yesterday

Paths of Glory

Pet Sematary

Planes, Trains, and Automobiles

Pom Poko

Ponyo

Porco Russo

Pretty in Pink

Princess Mononoke

Reds

Save the Last Dance

The Secret World of Arrietty

Shall We Dance?

Shooter

Some Kind of Beautiful

Spirited Away

Stealing Harvard

Swingers

The Take of the Princess Kaguya

Tales from Earthsea

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

Tropic Thunder

Varsity Blues

What Women Want

When Marnie was There

Whispers of the Heart

The Wind Rises

The Wood

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Coming out next Wednesday.

Getting closer
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That's not all. Here's more:


Downton Abbey (2019)
Hellboy (2019)
Hobbs & Shaw (2019)
Isn’t it Romantic (2019)
IT: Chapter 2 (2019)
John Wick 3 (2019)
Joker (2019)
Ready or Not (2019)
Shazam! (2019)
Us (2019)
X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019)
Yesterday (2019)
A Star is Born (2018)
Aquaman (2018)
Batman: Gotham Knight (2018)
Crazy Rich Asians (2018)
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (2018)
Her Smell (2018)
Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again (2018)
The Meg (2018)
Happy Death Day (2017)
The Lego Batman Movie (2017)
Wonder Woman (2017)
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
Nocturnal Animals (2016)
Suicide Squad (2016)
Batman vs. Robin (2015)
The Lego Movie (2014)
Unfriended (2014)
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 2 (2013)
A Good Day To Die Hard (2013)
Prisoners (2013)
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 (2012)
The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
The Hobbit (2012)
This Means War (2012)
Bridesmaids (2011)
Crazy, Stupid, Love (2011)
Fast Five (2011)
Green Lantern (2011)
Sucker Punch (2011)
Shutter Island (2010)
The Kids Are All Right (2010)

Sherlock Holmes (2009)
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
In Bruges (2008)
Quantum of Solace (2008)
The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants 2 (2008)
Slumdog Millionaire (2008)
Tropic Thunder (2008)
The Darjeeling Limited (2007)
Live Free or Die Hard (2007)
Hairspray (2007)
Casino Royale (2006)
Half Nelson (2006)
John Tucker Must Die (2006)
Snakes on a Plane (2006)
Mr & Mrs Smith (2005)
The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (2005)
The Family Stone (2005)
War of the Worlds (2005)
Closer (2004)
Harold & Kumar go to White Castle (2004)
Van Helsing (2004)
Cold Mountain (2003)
How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days (2003)
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
Love Actually (2003)
Scary Movie 3 (2003)
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (2003)

American Pie (1999)
Analyze This (1999)
Boys Don’t Cry (1999)
Deep Blue Sea (1999)
Fight Club (1999)
Notting Hill (1999)
The Thomas Crown Affair (1999)
Three Kings (1999)
Armageddon (1998)
Gia (1998)
Great Expectations (1998)
Hope Floats (1998)
Lethal Weapon 4 (1998)
Practical Magic (1998)
Alien Resurrection (1997)
Batman & Robin (1997)
Contact (1997)
Good Will Hunting (1997)
Grosse Pointe Blank (1997)
Selena (1997)
The Devil’s Advocate (1997)
A Time to Kill (1996)
Broken Arrow (1996)
D3: The Mighty Ducks (1996)
One Fine Day (1996)
Set it Off (1996)
Striptease (1996)
Swingers (1996)
That Thing You Do! (1996)
Babe (1995)
Batman Forever (1995)
Braveheart (1995)
Die Hard with a Vengeance (1995)
Hackers (1995)
D2: The Mighty Ducks (1994)
Muriel’s Wedding (1994)
Police Academy: Mission to Moscow (1994)
True Lies (1994)
Wes Craven’s New Nightmare (1994)
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (1993)
Mrs. Doubtfire (1993)
Alien 3 (1992)
Glengarry Glen Ross (1992)
Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992)
Lethal Weapon 3 (1992)
The Mighty Ducks (1992)
Drop Dead Fred (1991)
Freddy’s Dead: The Final Nightmare (1991)
What About Bob? (1991)
Dick Tracy (1990)
Die Hard 2: Die Harder (1990)
Gremlins 2: The New Batch (1990)

A Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child (1989)
Lethal Weapon 2 (1989)
Pet Sematary (1989)
Police Academy 6: City Under Siege (1989)
Teen Witch (1989)
The Wizard (1989)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master (1988)
Big Top Pee Wee (1988)
Die Hard (1988)
Hairspray (1988)
Police Academy 5: Assignment Miami Beach (1988)
The Land Before Time (1988)
Twins (1988)
A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987)
Empire of the Sun (1987)
Jaws: The Revenge (1987)
Lethal Weapon (1987)
Police Academy 4: Citizens on Patrol (1987)
Raising Arizona (1987)
The Witches of Eastwick (1987)
Aliens (1986)
Critters (1986)
Little Shop of Horrors (1986)
Police Academy 3: Back in Training (1986)
Pretty in Pink (1986)
A Nightmare On Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge (1985)
Out of Africa (1985)
Police Academy 2: Their First Assignment (1985)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)
Gremlins (1984)
Police Academy (1984)
Supergirl (1984)
Jaws 3-D (1983)
The Outsiders (1983)
Blade Runner: The Final Cut (1982)
Friday the 13th (1980)

Alien (Director’s Cut) (1979)
Apocalypse Now (1979)
Jaws 2 (1978)
Piranha (1978)
Annie Hall (1977)
Jaws (1975)
The Thomas Crown Affair (1968)
Dr. Strangelove, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
The Wizard of Oz (1939)




Those were compiled from 2 articles. So there may be some repetition.

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