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thetao 01-11-18 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonic (Post 13243097)
That is truly fucked up. -ohbfrank-

Yeah, Amazon guy must have gone a little postal. But I wonder if the cops had fun?


Troy Stiffler 01-12-18 04:24 PM

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Just had my first blatantly late package. OnTrac - who I've always been skeptical about. Just ... never showed up yesterday. No attempt. Nothing.

In Phoenix, OnTrac and LazerShip were the two original couriers Amazon started using when they branched out to smaller couriers. And I've heard lots of complaints about them. I know a little about the delivery business. They both come across as companies that bid down costs until they weren't making enough money to function properly. There is a point when you're losing money every time you process a transaction. That is a very real thing for businesses.

Viper187 01-16-18 11:47 AM

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Prime Pantry jacked up shipping to $7.99? For fuck sake.

Inhumans99 01-18-18 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler (Post 13244878)
Just had my first blatantly late package. OnTrac - who I've always been skeptical about. Just ... never showed up yesterday. No attempt. Nothing.

In Phoenix, OnTrac and LazerShip were the two original couriers Amazon started using when they branched out to smaller couriers. And I've heard lots of complaints about them. I know a little about the delivery business. They both come across as companies that bid down costs until they weren't making enough money to function properly. There is a point when you're losing money every time you process a transaction. That is a very real thing for businesses.

That type of bidding practice also took down a ton of start-up/established boutique special effects houses (and even some of the larger more well known by the general public effects houses) several years back.

Sorry for the thread drift, but my brother in law who has been in the special effects business for many years (now making mad money at Technicolor) once explained to me how folks (owners of effects houses) who should know better low ball bids for movie shots to work on so they can take business from another shop/build up their portfolio to make it easier to win future bids on hot projects...only issue is that the race to the bottom bids becomes the new normal price that studios would be willing to pay for shots which lead to slipshod work due to lack of or overworked talent and of course eventual lay-offs when the remaining talent could not get paid.

I have to imagine the desire to get Amazon's business is intense for companies like OnTrac which means you have companies not standing their ground and providing Amazon with quotes that they know will lead to losses on each delivery...a well known dumb way to run a business and to be able to afford to keep the lights on (so to speak) but to this very day an all too common business practice.

EinCB 01-18-18 01:47 PM

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Amazon has a transparency problem.

Three years ago, the retail giant became the last major tech company to reveal how many subpoenas, search warrants, and court orders it received for customer data in a half-year period. While every other tech giant had regularly published its government request figures for years, spurred on by accusations of participation in government surveillance, Amazon had been largely forgotten.

Eventually, people noticed and Amazon acquiesced.

Since then, Amazon's business has expanded. By its quarterly revenue, it's no longer a retail company -- it's a cloud giant and a device maker. The company's flagship Echo, an "always listening" speaker, collects vast amounts of customer data that's openly up for grabs by the government.

But Amazon's bi-annual transparency figures don't want you to know that.

In fact, Amazon has been downright deceptive in how it presents the data, obfuscating the figures in its short, but contextless, twice-yearly reports. Not only does Amazon offer the barest minimum of information possible, the company has -- and continues -- to deliberately mislead its customers by actively refusing to clarify how many customers, and which customers, are affected by the data demands it receives.



http://www.zdnet.com/article/amazon-...-tech-company/

Sonic 01-19-18 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper187 (Post 13247366)
Prime Pantry jacked up shipping to $7.99? For fuck sake.

Since USPS raised prices, Amazon Prime raised them as well.

Why So Blu? 01-19-18 11:53 PM

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Yeah, only if you're paying month to month. If you pay up front it's still $99 a year. That comes out to $8.25 a month. I am satisfied. Or $49 if you're a student.

Wolf359 01-20-18 08:31 AM

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Amazon continues to find little ways to annoy the fuck out of you. You simply cannot add an ebook to your cart and check out. You *HAVE* to use One Click and therefore can't use any CC rewards points on the purchase. I turned off one click because I've hit it accidentally before.

It's admittedly a very small thing but there's just no reason for it and make me think of looking elsewhere just because.

rjh_54 01-22-18 05:00 PM

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Why is it that when I return some products Amazon refunds me as soon as UPS scans it, but others I have to wait for them to get to "receive" my refund?

It's a pretty strange coincidence that those items that don't get refunded right away seem to arrive without my being notified or refunded and I always have to reach out to Amazon to get it taken care of. It's shitty, unprofessional and unacceptable.

stvn1974 01-23-18 06:00 PM

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I canceled Prime due to things not being delivered on time and received a free month which will be ending in five days. Just placed an order for some Pink Floyd CDs that I need in two days for a birthday gift. Showed that they would be here on the 25th if I ordered within 3 hours and 50 minutes which I did and now they order page is showing they will be here on the 26th. What is the point of Prime again?

rjh_54 01-23-18 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974 (Post 13253204)
I canceled Prime due to things not being delivered on time and received a free month which will be ending in five days. Just placed an order for some Pink Floyd CDs that I need in two days for a birthday gift. Showed that they would be here on the 25th if I ordered within 3 hours and 50 minutes which I did and now they order page is showing they will be here on the 26th. What is the point of Prime again?

You may still get them on the 23rd. That's happened to me before.

There have also been instances where I've ordered things on, say, a Monday and I'd be told "Arriving Friday". When I reach out to them they give the bs "It's technically two days from when we can ship the item" spiel. They better step it up if they're going to spike prices.

slybone 01-24-18 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by stvn1974 (Post 13253204)
I canceled Prime due to things not being delivered on time and received a free month which will be ending in five days. Just placed an order for some Pink Floyd CDs that I need in two days for a birthday gift. Showed that they would be here on the 25th if I ordered within 3 hours and 50 minutes which I did and now they order page is showing they will be here on the 26th. What is the point of Prime again?

I read lots of legitimate complaints on this forum about Amazon missing delivery deadlines and the sort, and I guess I must be very lucky. I live in a rural area and it's a pretty rare occasion when Amazon doesn't fully deliver, and when they don't, they ALWAYS make it right when asked. We never have regretted paying that $99 a year.

I really feel bad for you folks who seem to live in less isolated areas and get worse service.

Troy Stiffler 01-30-18 06:28 PM

Re: The complaining about Amazon thread
 

Originally Posted by stvn1974 (Post 13253204)
I canceled Prime due to things not being delivered on time and received a free month which will be ending in five days. Just placed an order for some Pink Floyd CDs that I need in two days for a birthday gift. Showed that they would be here on the 25th if I ordered within 3 hours and 50 minutes which I did and now they order page is showing they will be here on the 26th. What is the point of Prime again?

I wanted an Same-Day delivery. It showed it on the main page, but then disappeared when I checked out. Lame. Got me all excited and then let me down.

Brooklyn 01-31-18 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by slybone (Post 13253494)
I read lots of legitimate complaints on this forum about Amazon missing delivery deadlines and the sort, and I guess I must be very lucky. I live in a rural area and it's a pretty rare occasion when Amazon doesn't fully deliver, and when they don't, they ALWAYS make it right when asked. We never have regretted paying that $99 a year.

I really feel bad for you folks who seem to live in less isolated areas and get worse service.

That was my opinion up until about 3 months ago.
Amazon used to be great as far as getting things to me by the dates claimed at checkout, but the past 15 or so have all been late. Calling gets me nowhere. They try to blame the delivery service, claiming they decide when to deliver it, then just repeat the same nonsense when I point out that that can't be the case because my order conformation and shipping notification have different dates. It also doesn't help that the majority of times they don't even begin the shipping process (information has been sent to the delivery service that a package is expected) until the day before it's due. Very frustrating.

slybone 02-01-18 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn (Post 13259262)
That was my opinion up until about 3 months ago.
Amazon used to be great as far as getting things to me by the dates claimed at checkout, but the past 15 or so have all been late. Calling gets me nowhere. They try to blame the delivery service, claiming they decide when to deliver it, then just repeat the same nonsense when I point out that that can't be the case because my order conformation and shipping notification have different dates. It also doesn't help that the majority of times they don't even begin the shipping process (information has been sent to the delivery service that a package is expected) until the day before it's due. Very frustrating.

That does sound very frustrating. I'm quite surprised that calling get you nowhere. On those rare occasions when I have to call the CS reps are always helpful. There was one occasion where CS tried to do a little runaround on me, but I politely but firmly reminded them that as a Prime member I was paying for a premium service, and if they didn't make it right I could choose not to renew. The usual remedy they suggest is either I get the item for free, get a free month of Prime or once I was given a $10 courtesy credit.

I do have to wonder if the days of that kind of service are numbered.

Josh-da-man 02-01-18 05:11 PM

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One thing I have noticed about Amazon's shipping (I'm not Prime) is that they will give my shipment a tracking number, putting my package in the USPS system, but it will take a week or so to get the package moving. I'm guessing that Amazon is printing the shipping labels, then sitting on the actual shipment for whatever reason. Maybe they're punishing me because I'm using free shipping and not a Prime member. I don't know.

But this really fucks up the delivery estimates. It seems like they're trying to make USPS seem slower than they actually are. Some kind of agenda there?

Viper187 02-01-18 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 13259920)
One thing I have noticed about Amazon's shipping (I'm not Prime) is that they will give my shipment a tracking number, putting my package in the USPS system, but it will take a week or so to get the package moving. I'm guessing that Amazon is printing the shipping labels, then sitting on the actual shipment for whatever reason. Maybe they're punishing me because I'm using free shipping and not a Prime member. I don't know.

But this really fucks up the delivery estimates. It seems like they're trying to make USPS seem slower than they actually are. Some kind of agenda there?

This is what really pisses me off about the international amazon sites. The Eurotrash ones ALWAYS do this. Even when I pay for the 2nd most expensive shipping option, the package will sit for days before being handed off to the carrier.

Why So Blu? 02-01-18 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper187 (Post 13259962)
This is what really pisses me off about the international amazon sites. The Eurotrash ones ALWAYS do this. Even when I pay for the 2nd most expensive shipping option, the package will sit for days before being handed off to the carrier.


For international sites -- those will get held by customs sometimes.

Viper187 02-01-18 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13260018)
For international sites -- those will get held by customs sometimes.

It's not fucking customs. It's clearly Amazon waiting for days to actually hand shit off to the shipping carrier. Their own tracking proves it.

Why So Blu? 02-01-18 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper187 (Post 13260027)
It's not fucking customs. It's clearly Amazon waiting for days to actually hand shit off to the shipping carrier. Their own tracking proves it.

Seems like you're the only that gets screwed when it comes to Amazon international. I wonder why?

Sonic 02-02-18 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13260115)
Seems like you're the only that gets screwed when it comes to Amazon international. I wonder why?

He got a lot of bad luck I guess :eek: He also got <s>fucked</s> screwed recently on Ebay

jjcool 02-02-18 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13260115)
Seems like you're the only that gets screwed when it comes to Amazon international. I wonder why?

Amazon doesn't like him?

thetao 02-15-18 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thetao (Post 13230071)
While it must have happened at some point, I don't recall ever getting packaging material inside my UK boxes. Sometimes the boxes have even fallen apart in transit and USPS taped them back together, but the contents has always survived intact, minus the occasional floater.

Just received my very worst Amazon UK package today. As is often the case, the box was in tatters and held together with tape added by one of the carriers, but this time TWO BLU-RAYS WERE MISSING. They apparently fell out somewhere! Amazon UK is making a new order to reship them and I submitted some critical packaging feedback, but this is getting silly. They need to start using sturdier boxes for overseas orders (or for whatever they hand to Asendia?) or at the very least start double-boxing everything. I vow to complain about bad packaging every time going forward else this problem never get addressed.


Sonic 02-15-18 08:15 PM

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^
Fuck that sucks :( Damn someone got lucky out there with two blu rays. Probably watching them right now while eating popcorn.

story 02-15-18 11:52 PM

Re: The complaining about Amazon thread
 

Originally Posted by Wolf359 (Post 13250547)
Amazon continues to find little ways to annoy the fuck out of you. You simply cannot add an ebook to your cart and check out. You *HAVE* to use One Click and therefore can't use any CC rewards points on the purchase. I turned off one click because I've hit it accidentally before.

It's admittedly a very small thing but there's just no reason for it and make me think of looking elsewhere just because.

I'm frustrated by it because some books I can pay for with my professional expense account if they have to do with my field. That means instead of going back and forth between my personal and my work credit card, I have to pay with my credit card and get a reimbursement which is usually a real pain.


Originally Posted by Sonic (Post 13270442)
^
Fuck that sucks :( Damn someone got lucky out there with two blu rays. Probably watching them right now while eating popcorn.

And sleeping with all of our wives, the jerks! -eek-

Pizza 02-16-18 06:40 AM

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I've had the same item, a 12 disc Bruce Springsteen Live CD box, swiped TWICE enroute from Amazon UK. The other contents made it but both boxes got rewrapped in tape. (My first warning sign as Amazon doesn't generally tape up their boxes though I wish they would.) the boxes aren't sealed and they get handled by Royal Mail, customs, UPS and finally USPS. Too easy for someone to look in an open box and cherry pick stuff knowing there's no way to know which mail service to blame. I've been amazed stuff usually makes it with the loose, unsealed boxing which I assume is to make it easier for customs to check.

Sonic 02-16-18 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by story (Post 13270541)
And sleeping with all of our wives, the jerks! -eek-

lol

That would be the nail in the coffin.

Josh-da-man 02-16-18 09:56 PM

Re: The complaining about Amazon thread
 

Originally Posted by Pizza (Post 13270592)
I've had the same item, a 12 disc Bruce Springsteen Live CD box, swiped TWICE enroute from Amazon UK. The other contents made it but both boxes got rewrapped in tape. (My first warning sign as Amazon doesn't generally tape up their boxes though I wish they would.) the boxes aren't sealed and they get handled by Royal Mail, customs, UPS and finally USPS. Too easy for someone to look in an open box and cherry pick stuff knowing there's no way to know which mail service to blame. I've been amazed stuff usually makes it with the loose, unsealed boxing which I assume is to make it easier for customs to check.

Customs doesn't generally open mailed packages, do they? I've never received anything I've ordered online from out of the country (Canada, UK, Hong Kong, and Europe) that looks like it has been opened and resealed.

BobO'Link 02-17-18 08:51 AM

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^Same here - but those "fold over" type boxes are easily opened without doing damage to the box or even showing signs of having been opened. You simply pull one of the end flaps out, look things over, push it back in. While I like the slight protection improvement theses boxes generally provide over bubble mailers (it really depends on the box being properly sized coupled with how "tightly" it's put around the product) I'd rather have a proper, taped, box.

bsmith 02-18-18 02:37 PM

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Has anyone been trading media (DVDs, Blu-rays) into Amazon lately? It would appear that they are not accepting anything at this time. Several years back I had some success getting value back on my trade-ins. Then all went flat for a while where you'd be luck to get $1 for a DVD. But recently it looked like things had picked up, at least for TV sets. However, about a week ago everything I was monitoring no longer had any trade-in value. Curious if it is dead for good, or just some temporary reorganization.

PhantomStranger 02-18-18 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BobO'Link (Post 13271362)
^Same here - but those "fold over" type boxes are easily opened without doing damage to the box or even showing signs of having been opened. You simply pull one of the end flaps out, look things over, push it back in. While I like the slight protection improvement theses boxes generally provide over bubble mailers (it really depends on the box being properly sized coupled with how "tightly" it's put around the product) I'd rather have a proper, taped, box.

Amazon.uk purposely ships their merchandise in that style packaging to make it easy for customs inspecting the contents.

stvn1974 02-18-18 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bsmith (Post 13271937)
Has anyone been trading media (DVDs, Blu-rays) into Amazon lately? It would appear that they are not accepting anything at this time. Several years back I had some success getting value back on my trade-ins. Then all went flat for a while where you'd be luck to get $1 for a DVD. But recently it looked like things had picked up, at least for TV sets. However, about a week ago everything I was monitoring no longer had any trade-in value. Curious if it is dead for good, or just some temporary reorganization.

I traded in some some stuff the last few months for around $300 total. Funny thing is they would give more for DVD than BDs. But it does look like it is dead now.

Texan26 02-19-18 08:34 AM

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It looks like the only physical media they're taking is video games right now. This link below shows the items that you bought at Amazon and are trade in eligible. I used to have about 200 items on the list and now it's only four video games. Movies are not even listed as a Trade-In Category. Could be another nail to the coffin of physical media.





Originally Posted by bsmith (Post 13271937)
Has anyone been trading media (DVDs, Blu-rays) into Amazon lately? It would appear that they are not accepting anything at this time. Several years back I had some success getting value back on my trade-ins. Then all went flat for a while where you'd be luck to get $1 for a DVD. But recently it looked like things had picked up, at least for TV sets. However, about a week ago everything I was monitoring no longer had any trade-in value. Curious if it is dead for good, or just some temporary reorganization.


jjcool 02-19-18 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Texan26 (Post 13272268)
It looks like the only physical media they're taking is video games right now. This link below shows the items that you bought at Amazon and are trade in eligible. I used to have about 200 items on the list and now it's only four video games. Movies are not even listed as a Trade-In Category. Could be another nail to the coffin of physical media.


https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Trade-...ode=9187220011

I never knew about that page. All it shows for me is 7 comic book trades. 6 of which happen to be out of print.

zyzzle 03-02-18 12:59 AM

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Their trade-in program seems completely dead now. They must have lost their contract with the "3rd party" seller and / or that company backed off because Amazon started charging them too much.

Soon we might see a new, lowball company come up in the ashes, but by then the buyback offers will be completely insulting.

Troy Stiffler 03-02-18 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zyzzle (Post 13281566)
Their trade-in program seems completely dead now. They must have lost their contract with the "3rd party" seller and / or that company backed off because Amazon started charging them too much.

Soon we might see a new, lowball company come up in the ashes, but by then the buyback offers will be completely insulting.

Trust me ... it's virtually impossible to make money in taking "trade ins" on consumer goods. The only way it'd continue is if the OEM's are willing to take a loss in order to sell their other products (and funnel the goods to ewaste recycling). For example, Dyson could pay $50 or $100 if you buy their new model vacuum. But that trade-in is virtually worthless, and would be best off getting scrapped/recycled.

Troy Stiffler 03-02-18 11:48 AM

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Private label good (generic stuff that people add their brand name to) and new market products (ie stuff like you see on Shark Tank) are very competitive on Amazon. And it can make or break a brand.

I found this fascinating. Basically, there are sellers paying marketing firms to create "verified buyer" reviews. They take a loss on the product. But it's worth it, because they get steady sales, product reviews, and user feedback. This kind of metric, withing Amazon's algorithm, treats the seller and product kindly. Similar to buying fake Facebook, Twitter, Instagram activity. The marketing companies are discretely shipping products to random addresses and taking a loss on the product itself.


https://www.digitaltrends.com/web/bo...on-deliveries/

While you might think it would be great to receive a never-ending stream of free tech stuff from Amazon, a couple from near Boston who are receiving just that eventually got weirded out by the whole thing and just want it to stop.

Michael and Kelly Gallivan never ordered any of it, and after five months of deliveries — all from China and which have so far included everything from bluetooth speakers and humidifiers to phone chargers and flashlights — they’ve had enough. But ending it is proving a challenge.

With a couple of items turning up every week, the Gallivans became worried they might end up having to pay for it all. There were no sender addresses or invoice slips with the packages, making them difficult to trace and impossible to return. Amazon asked Mike for order numbers but of course he didn’t have any. All the company could say with any certainty was that all of the items were ordered using gift cards.

“[Amazon] told us to send them back to the distribution facility in Lexington, Kentucky, but by that time we’d received a lot more of these things and it became kind of like, ‘This is ridiculous, trying to carry that plan out,’” Mike told the BBC on Sunday, February 11.

Desperate to find a solution, Mike googled “unordered packages from Amazon” and several articles showed up describing a practice known as “brushing.”

The scam, which has actually been going on for a number of years, enables an online seller to submit positive reviews for their own products via fake accounts. Hiding behind one of the fake accounts, the online seller — or more likely a brushing firm hired by the seller — goes through the usual process of searching for an item on Amazon (or another ecommerce site) before making a purchase. This “normal” activity makes it harder for Amazon to identify the account as fake, and so the company fails to spot the bogus reviews. In many cases, the review will be for an item of higher value than the one sent out. Amazon is constantly battling to rid its site of fake reviews, but the rogue sellers clearly aren’t giving up.

Mike says he can’t be certain, but he guesses that his details were taken when he ordered an item online from China last spring.

Why send stuff to the U.S.?
But why are the China-based sellers sending stuff overseas? According to Forbes, this has to do with subsidized postage rates offered by the U.S. Postal Service that make it cheaper for Chinese sellers to send overseas rather than domestically.

Amazon told CBS News that it looks into every report of customers receiving unsolicited packages and will endeavor to ban all vendors and reviewers who abuse the system.

But the Gallivans’ experience now has some people wondering just how many others are receiving free stuff via Amazon that they didn’t even order, but are perhaps enjoying the unexpected “gifts” and so choose to keep quiet about it.

Mike said he hasn’t received any new deliveries in the last few days, and hopes it has something to do with the worldwide attention the story’s been getting. But who knows, in the morning there may just be another USB hand warmer or set of tent lights waiting on his doorstep.

mattysemo247 03-14-18 08:12 AM

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So this was a first for me. I had a small package delivered yesterday, and they actually uploaded a photo of it sitting on my porch under my account in the tracking history. So I guess UPS is taking photos now and sending them to Amazon as proof that they are delivered?

windom 03-14-18 01:59 PM

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When I go to a wishlist for a friend, the "Buying this elsewhere" option is no longer there. Is it the same for anyone else. I bought something from someone's wishlist at Toys R Us and have no way of removing it from his wishlist. I guess Amazon wants to force people to buy only from them.

jjcool 03-14-18 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by windom (Post 13290381)
When I go to a wishlist for a friend, the "Buying this elsewhere" option is no longer there. Is it the same for anyone else. I bought something from someone's wishlist at Toys R Us and have no way of removing it from his wishlist. I guess Amazon wants to force people to buy only from them.

Did they force you to buy the item for your friend from them? I thought you said you bought it somewhere else?


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