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View Poll Results: Who would you vote for to be inducted into the HOF in 2021?
Bobby Abreu
0
0%
Barry Bonds
77.78%
Mark Buehrle
3.70%
A.J. Burnett
0
0%
Roger Clemens
70.37%
Michael Cuddyer
0
0%
Dan Haren
0
0%
LaTroy Hawkins
0
0%
Todd Helton
25.93%
Tim Hudson
3.70%
Torii Hunter
7.41%
Andruw Jones
18.52%
Jeff Kent
33.33%
Andy Pettitte
7.41%
Aramis Ramirez
3.70%
Manny Ramirez
44.44%
Scott Rolen
40.74%
Curt Schilling
51.85%
Gary Sheffield
40.74%
Sammy Sosa
33.33%
Nick Swisher
0
0%
Shane Victorino
0
0%
Omar Vizquel
18.52%
Billy Wagner
22.22%
Barry Zito
3.70%
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The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

It's that time of year again! The 2021 MLB Hall of Fame ballot was released this week.

The question--Who would you vote for if you had the ballot in your hand?

The rules are the same for you, as it is for the writers. You can only vote for a maximum of 10 players. Also, if you want to predict who you actually think will be voted in, that's fine. But the poll is for your personal picks.

For the first time in my recollection, there are enough poll options for everyone on the ballot. Not that I expect any of you to vote for LaTroy Hawkins, but the choice is there. Anyone wanting to "write-in" a candidate, feel free to post about it.

Here are your returnees, along with the percentages they received a year ago:
  • Curt Schilling, 70.0%, 9th year
  • Roger Clemens, 61.0%, 9th year
  • Barry Bonds, 60.7%, 9th year
  • Omar Vizquel,52.6%, 4rd year
  • Scott Rolen, 35.3%, 4th year
  • Billy Wagner, 31.7%, 5th year
  • Gary Sheffield, 30.5%, 7th year
  • Todd Helton,29.2%, 3nd year
  • Manny Ramírez,28.2%, 5th year
  • Jeff Kent, 27.5%, 8th year
  • Andruw Jones, 19.4%, 4rd year
  • Sammy Sosa, 13.9%, 9th year
  • Andy Pettitte, 11.3%, 3nd year
  • Bobby Abreu, 5.5%, 2nd year
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

What the maximum number of years they can appear on the ballot before not getting in?
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

We've known for a while that this year's incoming candidates were relatively weak compared to recent history. Things will pick back up in future years:

2022: Prince Fielder, David Ortiz, Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira

2023: Carlos Beltran, Francisco Rodriguez

2024: Adrian Beltre, Joe Mauer, Chase Utley, David Wright

2025: CC Sabathia, Ichiro

2026: Alex Gordon
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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What the maximum number of years they can appear on the ballot before not getting in?
10.

Used to be 15, but it was changed a few years back.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

It's easy to imagine a scenario where Schilling makes it this year and he's the only new player elected. Considering the hatred many have for him, maybe it's a blessing that the players elected last year will be officially enshrined next summer so he won't have the stage to himself.

I need to think more about my own ballot. I'm definitely choosing the names below:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling

Giving thought to a couple of others. Really hoping Rolen makes a big leap in his totals this year.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Bonds, Clemens, Wagner, Rolen. Schilling deserves it but he's too much of an asshole for me to vote for him.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

If anyone wants to see how they voted last year: https://forum.dvdtalk.com/sports-tal...l#post13642008
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Originally Posted by LurkerDan View Post
Bonds, Clemens, Wagner, Rolen. Schilling deserves it but he's too much of an asshole for me to vote for him.
For someone who is including Bonds and Clemens on their ballot, that's really saying something.
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For someone who is including Bonds and Clemens on their ballot, that's really saying something.


Fair enough. But those were pantheon guys before they even started juicing. Schilling may be deserving, but it won't be silly if he never makes the hall. A hall without the all time home run leader and the winner of the most CYAs seems silly to me.
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I voted for Bonds, Clemens, Manny Ramirez, and Gary Sheffield.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Bonds
Clemens
Schilling
Sheffield
Wagner

As much as I loved Manny, especially the second half of the 2008 season when he got traded to the Dodgers and was basically the MVP of the league for two and a half months, he failed multiple steroid tests. That shows that 1) he felt he couldn't be competitive without them and 2) he didn't give a fuck about getting into the Hall of Fame.
If you're a pantheon guy, I can let some steroid use slide. If you are anything less, it's a non-starter for me.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Mark Buehrle
Curt Schilling
Jeff Kent
Scott Rolen

Schilling would have already gone into the Hall if not for his political views. Kent and Rolen are both on the HOF bubble and I think both will eventually make it, some way. Buehrle is one of the most unique pitchers of his generation. I still have no idea how he succeeded all those years because his stuff was unimpressive outside of a plus changeup. I doubt he ever makes the Hall but I thought he deserved some recognition.

I don't vote for known or heavily suspected steroid cheaters.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Nuts, I somehow talked myself into voting for asshole Schilling last year, and I don’t think I’ve heard about him being even more of an asshole, even in an election year. My only other vote was Jeter.

No new people really deserve it, so I guess I should take another look at Wagner and Rolen. And Schilling.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Omar Vizquel
Manny Ramirez
Sammy Sosa
Scott Rolen
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I would never vote for a steroid user.

Especially not Barry Bonds.
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Re: The 2021 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Bonds
Clemens
Manny
Vizquel
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My issues with Manny, Sheffield, and Sosa is that we pretty much know they were roiders (in Manny's case there isn't a shred of doubt) and I do not have any confidence that they would have been HoFers without the roids.

My issue with Vizquel is that he is a sterling member of the Hall of the Very Good, but at no point was he truly great. He just had a long career being very good, while accumulating no counting stats milestones.
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Schilling would have already gone into the Hall if not for his political views.
Voters actually determine a Hall of Famer on their political views? I guess we should take Steve Carlton out of the Hall of Fame as he has some real crazy quotes: He believed President Clinton had a black son, thought Hillary was a lesbian, and that the AIDS virus was created at a Secret Maryland Biological Warfare Lab to get of the gays and blacks. Then again, he had 329 Wins and 4,000 Strikeouts as that should be the deciding vote for Hall of Fame, not his outrageous conspiracy theories.
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Bonds
Clemens
Manny
Vizquel
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My issues with Manny, Sheffield, and Sosa is that we pretty much know they were roiders (in Manny's case there isn't a shred of doubt) and I do not have any confidence that they would have been HoFers without the roids.

My issue with Vizquel is that he is a sterling member of the Hall of the Very Good, but at no point was he truly great. He just had a long career being very good, while accumulating no counting stats milestones.
Yeah, I can roll with most people's ballot but having those four on and excluding Schilling is a tough sell for me. No question he's deserving based on his on-field resume.

Please walk me through this one shizawn.

And I have to be honest : I didn't know about Sheffield's steroid use. I might have rethought that vote if I had.
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Andruw Jones
Jeff Kent
Scott Rolen
Curt Schilling

I think Bonds and Clemens should be in, but still can't bring myself to vote for them. I agree with others about Vizquel, although I wouldn't be upset if he made it due to his incredible defense. Aside from the other steroid users, nobody even jumps out at me to consider.
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And I have to be honest : I didn't know about Sheffield's steroid use. I might have rethought that vote if I had.
He admitted to using 'the cream' in early 00's but didn't know it was PED. AKA The Barry Bonds defense. I'm suspicious of ANYONE from that era so I just assume they were taking PED's since those Homeruns totals are all out of whack.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/g...balco-defense/
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Voters actually determine a Hall of Famer on their political views? I guess we should take Steve Carlton out of the Hall of Fame as he has some real crazy quotes: He believed President Clinton had a black son, thought Hillary was a lesbian, and that the AIDS virus was created at a Secret Maryland Biological Warfare Lab to get of the gays and blacks. Then again, he had 329 Wins and 4,000 Strikeouts as that should be the deciding vote for Hall of Fame, not his outrageous conspiracy theories.
whether voters should or shouldn't consider them is up to each voter, but there's pretty much zero doubt that Schilling's personal behavior post-retirement has kept him out. Carlton might have had more trouble too had he lived in the social media era.

But let's be clear, it's not really Schilling's personal politics that has kept him out, it's his behavior in support of those politics that has kept him out.
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Yeah, I can roll with most people's ballot but having those four on and excluding Schilling is a tough sell for me. No question he's deserving based on his on-field resume.

Please walk me through this one shizawn.

And I have to be honest : I didn't know about Sheffield's steroid use. I might have rethought that vote if I had.
Schilling had those 3 incredible years from 2001-2004 and and some other very good to great years, but I don't feel it's enough. Maybe I'm putting too much stock in wins and losses, but after the 2000 season Schilling had a 110-95 career record. Certainly not earth shattering. His overall win total is pretty similar to Pedro, but it seemed like Pedro was just so much more dominant.

Schilling's politics didn't play into my not picking him, and ultimately I don't have any problem if/when he gets voted in.

As for Vizquel, yeah he did ultimately have some stat accumulation, but he did play more games at SS than anyone else. He was also great defensively.
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I just can't in good conscience vote for Vizquel. He's was an above average player (especially factoring defense) but he doesn' t really pass the test as a HOF. Andruw Jones would have been a difficult vote if he didn't have those last 2-3 awful years. He basically fell off a cliff.
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Andruw Jones would have been a difficult vote if he didn't have those last 2-3 awful years. He basically fell off a cliff.
I still laugh at the former Dodgers GM who gave Jones a huge contract and would later despise him so much that he refused to refer to him by his name, like he was Voldemort.
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