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View Poll Results: Who would you vote for to be inducted into the HOF in 2019?
Lance Berkman
2.56%
Barry Bonds
66.67%
Roger Clemens
61.54%
Roy Halladay
51.28%
Todd Helton
7.69%
Andruw Jones
10.26%
Jeff Kent
15.38%
Edgar Martinez
61.54%
Fred McGriff
30.77%
Mike Mussina
43.59%
Roy Oswalt
0
0%
Andy Pettitte
7.69%
Juan Pierre
2.56%
Manny Ramirez
25.64%
Mariano Rivera
87.18%
Scott Rolen
5.13%
Curt Schilling
35.90%
Gary Sheffield
5.13%
Sammy Sosa
20.51%
Miguel Tejada
2.56%
Omar Vizquel
10.26%
Billy Wagner
10.26%
Larry Walker
15.38%
Michael Young
0
0%
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2.56%
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The 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Old 12-10-18, 09:50 AM
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Indeed, the floodgates are now open!
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Yes, the election of Baines is baffling. I'll put it this way: When going through baseball cards as a young boy, I never once separated cards of Baines from the commons.
Headline in the Athletic: "Harold Baines' Hall of Fame election delights White Sox, confounds everyone else"

I don't hate the idea that Baines and Smith are in the HOF, but I just feels like an overall cheapening to me, and the start of a billion "Well, if Baines is in, why not Shin-Soo Choo and Travis Hafner and Eduardo Perez?" questions.
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Old 12-10-18, 12:35 PM
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When are sixth inning relievers going to be elected to the HoF?
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Re: The 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Baines was a very good player... so were Dwight Evans and Lou Whitaker and they should never get in.
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Lou Whitaker is deserving, IMO, but Baines is not.
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Old 12-10-18, 06:28 PM
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Hey I just remembered, I have a genuine, game used Harold Baines bat in my collection.

I'll have to take a look later, I think it is also autographed.
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I think Lou Whitaker is deserving, but he didn't even get a fair shake on the ballot. If he got more of a chance, and people decided he didn't make the grade, I'd be OK with it.
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Old 12-10-18, 07:29 PM
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Re: The 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

If the Hall of Fame means the best of the best of the best, I would consider only those players who got in in their first 3 years of eligibility to be in the 'real' Hall of Fame, not those who have 15 tries to make it and then get another committee with lower standards to try to make it in.

Did a quick google search but could not find a list where it had the player's year of eligibility before he got voted in.
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Re: The 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

I just checked my "ballot" from last year's thread, and nearly all those guys got in except Edgar, Mussina, and Johan Santana. So this year:

Halladay
Edgar
Mussina
Rivera

Though maybe I shouldn't be so stingy now that we have the "Baines standard."
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Old 12-11-18, 03:36 PM
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Hey I just remembered, I have a genuine, game used Harold Baines bat in my collection.

I'll have to take a look later, I think it is also autographed.
Yeah, I have his autograph somewhere. I distinctly remember him being super classy and friendly. Contrast that to a lot of other players who were total dbags and acted like they were God's gift. I hope this is more about rewarding great character versus a total cheapening of standards. He was pretty much a platoon DH who couldn't hit top lefties. His career stats are fine but clearly not Hall worthy.
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Old 12-11-18, 04:59 PM
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The problem with Baines getting elected is that I will now heavily shill for Don Mattingly making the Hall. If a fairly average player like Baines is in, I want Mattingly in, who was the consensus best player in the game for 2-3 years during the 1980s. Mattingly was going to be a first-ballot HOFer until the back injuries caught up with him in the late 1980s.
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Old 12-11-18, 05:05 PM
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Dale Murphy too--best player in the game for a while, but didn't have enough sustained success and never sniffed the HOF.
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Re: The 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Moving this over from the 2018 thread

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the key number is that he has gained 6 votes from last year (ie only 24 of those voters had him last year). Needs to gain 20 votes overall.
Yeah, he's slipped to 97% now, but still on 6 gained.

Some other interesting ones:

Mussina - gained 5 votes
Schilling - gained 3 votes, still short
Larry Walker - gained 6 votes, still short, but looks like if this continues he gets in next year

Right now the class is looking like

Mo - Lock
E. Martinez
Halladay
Mussina

Bonds, Clemens, Schilling and Walker need surges.
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Old 12-12-18, 09:58 AM
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I love the tracker, this time of year I obsessively check it.
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Yeah, I have his autograph somewhere. I distinctly remember him being super classy and friendly. Contrast that to a lot of other players who were total dbags and acted like they were God's gift. I hope this is more about rewarding great character versus a total cheapening of standards. He was pretty much a platoon DH who couldn't hit top lefties. His career stats are fine but clearly not Hall worthy.
This. I liked Baines while he was playing but I never once, thought of him as a Hall of Famer.
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Old 12-12-18, 10:11 AM
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Re: The 2019 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Really surprised about Baines ... really good player, really good hitter, but not a Hall of Famer by any stretch. A real head scratcher.

Smith is a little iffy IMO, but makes a lot more sense than Harold
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Old 12-12-18, 01:07 PM
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Smith's election wasn't iffy at all. The fact that the writers never voted him in reflects poorly on them.

1. When he retired he was the all time Saves leader. He is still third all time.

2. His career bridged the multi inning Closer era to the single inning era Closer. He has 158 Saves with four outs or more. Early in his career Closers often came in late in games when their team was actually losing which you rarely happens in today’s game.

3. He is one of three closers to have 30 or more Saves in ten seasons. One is already in the HoF and the other two are going in this summer.

All in all, it is mystery how the writers failed on this one.
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Old 12-12-18, 04:18 PM
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No one really knows how to handles closers. Everyone acknowledges they aren't as valuable as the best starters, and the best starters have made up most of the pitchers getting into the Hall of Fame. It's a specialized role.

Lee Smith probably has a better case for the Hall than Baines. He was a top-flight closer for many years on relatively good teams.
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Old 12-18-18, 11:08 AM
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with 13% of the ballots known, Edgar has gained 8 of the 20 votes he needs to get elected, so it looks pretty good for him.

Mariano still at 100%. Halladay looking pretty good too. Moose has also gained 8 votes, but he needed 49, so he may not get there this go round, but his trajectory is heading in the right direction.
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Old 12-18-18, 02:00 PM
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Someone has already projected from early ballots that Mariano, Halladay and Edgar are all going to get elected this year. Mussina is going to be right on the line, probably somewhere in the low 70s. No one else has a shot this year.
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Will Mo be the first Unanimous selection? It's weird to think that a closer might be the first, albeit clearly the greatest closer ever.
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Hard to say, one writer that had been sending in blank ballots the past decade dropped out last year. The writer was protesting the entire PED era or something.

The newer voters are almost all mindless, SABR-groupthink followers. They don't care about PEDs at all and vote in anyone with a WAR above 60. In ten years, HOF voting will be very predictable as the older voters retire.
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People don't have the "crowded ballot" excuse to not pick Rivera, but I'm sure someone will hold out. Maybe they want Trout to be the first unanimous or something.
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Old 12-18-18, 04:50 PM
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The fact that the writers have never had a unanimous selection is a disgrace. As for the "crowded ballot" excuse, If there ever was a "crowded ballot", it was of their own making with the "First Ballot" nonsense.
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Old 12-18-18, 05:40 PM
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Yeah I don't think Mo gets 100% because there are some out there who don't feel a closer should be a HoFer. It's absurd, of course.

Jeter should get 100% when it's his time, but there will be some dickslap out there who won't vote for him, either.
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