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2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

Old 10-17-18, 12:46 PM
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You just proved Lowe's point.

Curry bends defenses in ways that nobody else does; heck, Atlanta put a big bet down on Trae Young just in the hopes that he can eventually do the same. It's not just that he makes that offense run, it's that he is a singular force for ANY offense. No doubt Durant is the better all around player. But even Durant does not impact the game in ways that Curry does.
But you would honestly put Curry up as the clear best player in the world not named Lebron? He's not that high up for me, regardless of whether Durant's on his team. He's in the mix, sure, but he's not 1A/1B.
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But you would honestly put Curry up as the clear best player in the world not named Lebron? He's not that high up for me, regardless of whether Durant's on his team. He's in the mix, sure, but he's not 1A/1B.
no, not necessarily clear #2. But I would say that there isn't any player I would clearly put ahead of him. and I think Lowe's point (not exactly sure where he ranks Curry) is that people have forgotten how good Curry is, they still know he's top 5 but they think players like Durant and Davis are clearly ahead of him.
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While I agree that he makes that offense run, I'm not sure I agree that he's above Durant, Davis, etc. Like if you were going to build a team would you start with him? Pre-Durant GS was incredible, and Curry was the best player on that team, but you can't discount how great Klay, Green, etc. are, and you could argue that Green is the MVP of how that team is run.

I also agree that I think a lot of people under-rate him and don't consider him top 5 because of Durant, where it would be a lot more clear cut if Durant wasn't on the team, but I think that's mainly because I consider Durant a better all around player.
Of course you wouldn't start with Curry, but you wouldn't start with LeBron or Durant, either. The only acceptable answers to that question right now are:

Giannis
Davis
Embiid

Maybe Simmons? Maybe Towns? Unsure if those guys would be included, but one of the 3 I listed are my pick, and it's probably Giannis.
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Embiid? Right now, no chance in hell he makes that kind of list for me given his injury history. I'd easily take an older but established Durant over him.
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I'm a Warriors fan so I'm a little biased but I Curry is the engine that runs Golden State, Lowe said that you up Curry on any team and they are instantly a top 5 offence. I agree that hes that special on that side of the ball. Because of his size and effort on offense hes never going to be one of the top defensive players but hes at least a net neutral and not a liability like Harden.

Hess got 2 mvps and will end up with 3+ rings. He will more than likely end up a top 20 player all time. If that's case then he defiantly should be recognized as above the rest of the guys in the top 5 now, unless you think that the rest of them also will be all timers.

I must say watching the Celtics last night they are loaded for talent and with their depth they will give the dubs a run for their money.

I'm just glad the season is back, League pass may have been my best purchase of the last few years.
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For Curry, I read the Zach Lowe article that was quoted and it came up in context of Curry (and Durant) shooting the 50/40/90 mark (FG%, 3P%, FT%) and that it's crazy for Curry because 60% of his shots are 3's.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...-19-nba-season

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The 50/40/90 conceit has become outdated as players jack more 3s; it's hard to make half your shots when a huge portion of them have a 40 percent hit rate in good seasons. That Curry has sniffed this so many times is ridiculous. Almost 60 percent of his attempts were 3s last season! You hear it from rival executives and media here and there: "Has Curry become underrated?"
Hence the "revolution" remark from Lowe, as I think he's referencing how Curry basically changed/broke the game with his shooting ability and the unique impact he has on the game.

Meanwhile, it's the first week of the season and some of these matchups already excite me. Philly/Boston last night showed where those teams are, and a shame Westbrook was out to see how OKC measures up. Tonight we get fun matchups like New Orleans/Houston (is AD an MVP this year, and how Melo fits), Minnesota/San Antonio (Butler, DeRozan), and even Dallas/Phoenix (Doncic, Ayton).

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Old 10-17-18, 10:24 PM
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Pelicans are just completely blowing out the Rockets. I don't think Houston has led at all.
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What happened to the Rockets???

As for Curry, best pure shooter in the game, hands down. But on the other side, which is why other guys are ahead of him, can he play as good as D as other point guards? Take a guy like Rondo. Probably don't want him shooting, but he knows where to get the ball and he can play some of the toughest D around...when he wants to. All around player, I think that would be the reason why Curry doesn't get mentioned right next to other guys not named Lebron.
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Given the Jimmy Butler situation, KAT sure laid an egg.
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Devin Booker is the King of the Fourth.
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What happened to the Rockets???

As for Curry, best pure shooter in the game, hands down. But on the other side, which is why other guys are ahead of him, can he play as good as D as other point guards? Take a guy like Rondo. Probably don't want him shooting, but he knows where to get the ball and he can play some of the toughest D around...when he wants to. All around player, I think that would be the reason why Curry doesn't get mentioned right next to other guys not named Lebron.
These days, Curry is a better defender than Rondo. He's not going to make any all defense teams, but he's not a weak link out there (other than size mismatches on switches). But admittedly, what you say is the "narrative". Unfortunately, there's no real way to measure defense, the only stat that I have access to is "defensive win shares" and it is seriously flawed.
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Late to the discussion, but add me into the mix that don't rank Curry as high (as an all around player) because he is only a slightly above average defender.
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Old 10-18-18, 01:41 PM
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These days, Curry is a better defender than Rondo. He's not going to make any all defense teams, but he's not a weak link out there (other than size mismatches on switches). But admittedly, what you say is the "narrative". Unfortunately, there's no real way to measure defense, the only stat that I have access to is "defensive win shares" and it is seriously flawed.
He's definitely improved as a defender, and knows that system well. IIRC both Houston and Cleveland went after Curry on defense last post season, and it turned out ok. If he was a sieve, that defense wouldn't be anywhere near what it is today (though obviously having Klay, KD, Iggy and Draymond helps a ton).

I'm not exactly sure what happened in Houston as I didn't watch the beginning of the game, but Ariza sure looked good last night.


Kemba Walker jacked up 29 attempts, 13 of which were 3 pointers, and made more than half.
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G League will offer the "professional path" for elite prospects coming out of high school, basically 125 grand, as an alternative to going to the NCAA for a one and done:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...one-route-ncaa

I know the ncaa is changing their rules as well, allowing kids to sign with certified agents and the like, but this seems like pretty big news. The kids could have always gone abroad to play and forego the NCAA, but that was a lot riskier than staying at home playing against borderline NBA talents with access to every team's scouts.
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It was the first game of the regular season but I liked what I saw from the new look Raptors. Mind you, it was against the Cavs but still... The next two games should provide a better test against the Celtics and Wizards.
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Soon as Lebron sat, Lakers played like trash missing 7 of 8 shots to close out the first quarter. Same old, same old I guess, Lebron not gonna get any rest anytime soon.
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Soon as Lebron sat, Lakers played like trash missing 7 of 8 shots to close out the first quarter. Same old, same old I guess, Lebron not gonna get any rest anytime soon.
Which is why it is INSANE that all these Laker fanboys think Lebron is going to take them far. Their team is a bunch of young guys with a few veterans. All this talk that this could be the best supporting cast Lebron has ever had is very laughable. They have no 3 point specialist. They have no other All-Star on that team (I love Rondo and I do believe he is a better defender than Curry when he gets in his zone but he won't be an All-Star this year). They can contend for a 7th or 8th seed, but they aren't going to do much.
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I caught the 4th quarter of the Lakers/Blazers after I got back from seeing Halloween.

Bummer they lost their 16th straight to the Blazers. Seems like that damn team is always a thorn in the Lakers side.

One thing they mentioned in the broadcast was them taking too many 3's and missing a bunch. That seems to be one of the Achilles heels in Luke's offense. Take too many forced or desperation 3's.

It's only 1 game, but it always sucks to lose the season opener.
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Which is why it is INSANE that all these Laker fanboys think Lebron is going to take them far. Their team is a bunch of young guys with a few veterans. All this talk that this could be the best supporting cast Lebron has ever had is very laughable. They have no 3 point specialist. They have no other All-Star on that team (I love Rondo and I do believe he is a better defender than Curry when he gets in his zone but he won't be an All-Star this year). They can contend for a 7th or 8th seed, but they aren't going to do much.
I don't know where these fanboys are that you're hearing from, but being a Laker fan myself down in Southern California I don't see or hear anyone talking like that, let alone saying that it's a great supporting cast for Lebron. It's basically the complete opposite. Fans and pundits alike have all been saying that they'll likely be a low playoff seed and have to fight to make it in.

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One thing they mentioned in the broadcast was them taking too many 3's and missing a bunch. That seems to be one of the Achilles heels in Luke's offense. Take too many forced or desperation 3's.
Watching the whole game, I wouldn't call very many of their 3's forced or desperation at all. Most came in the flow of the offense, they just kept missing them and started off 0/15 or so. I wouldn't want them to stop taking the shots they were taking at all.

I'm not too disappointed at that start, if the Lakers hit a few more 3's (which I think they're capable of), and Stauskus doesn't go off, they win that game. They even had the lead briefly too, and there was some pretty darn good ball movement to get easy shots which I think is a strong sign of things to come.

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Even Lebron has downplayed the expectations for this season. And it's all to generate headlines as well, I don't think there are real believers in either extreme (that the Lakers will win the Finals or miss the playoffs) but it makes for argument/sports talk radio hot takes.

It would help Luke's offense if they had decent 3 point shooters. I think last year they were second to last in 3 point percentage and other than Svi, they didn't exactly add shooting. Also Stauskas was wide, wide open on a lot of those threes.

This was not only the 16th straight win over the Lakers but their 18th straight home opener win. Last time the Blazers lost a home opener it was to Shaq's Lakers.

The 76ers were beating the Bulls handily and the crowd was really cheering for Fultz to make shots. While he did hit his first three and salvaged his stat line in the second half, the Bulls basically left him wide open to double team Embiid. As a Fultz owner in fantasy (via autodraft) I'm a bit worried there.
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All this talk that this could be the best supporting cast Lebron has ever had is very laughable.
Where is all this talk? The talk I have seen about this team is a) they made some very odd player acquisitions, and b) whether or not they can compete for a playoff spot, and whether their ceiling is barely making the playoffs or a little higher. I have not seen anyone say that this team will compete for a title or that this cast is actually good right now (as opposed to having potential long term).
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Can someone explain to me why did the Bulls signed Jabari Parker for $20M a year to bring him off the bench? Hoiberg is simply a horrible coach.
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Somehow I missed the line "best supporting cast Lebron has ever had." There's no way anyone thinks that this cast is superior to Wade/Bosh and the role players on the Heat. Now superior to last year's Cleveland squad that he dragged to the Finals? Considering he beat Boston without Kevin Love, and that the Lakers unloaded their garbage (sorry Larry Nance Jr.) on Cleveland as a poison pill, and those guys played huge minutes for the team, yeah, I'd say so. But it doesn't matter because the Lakers aren't being replanted in the East.
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Where is all this talk? The talk I have seen about this team is a) they made some very odd player acquisitions, and b) whether or not they can compete for a playoff spot, and whether their ceiling is barely making the playoffs or a little higher. I have not seen anyone say that this team will compete for a title or that this cast is actually good right now (as opposed to having potential long term).
A lot of the guys on the Ringer NBA pods tend to think they are a 3-4 seed of course none of them are really NBA experts and are just bloggers so take that for what its worth.

Additionally the over of 48.5 games is getting a ton of action in Vegas so the betters think the Lakers should be a 50 win team which would have been the 3 seed last year.

I think they a 7-8 seed this year but who knows the season is still young. It only one game so far but the pelicans look good, their depth will be an issue, I hope they stay healthy.
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I wouldn't trust betters when the Lakers AND Lebron are involved.
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