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View Poll Results: Who would you vote for to be inducted into the HOF in 2018?
Barry Bonds
58.06%
Chris Carpenter
0
0%
Roger Clemens
61.29%
Johnny Damon
3.23%
Vladimir Guerrero
74.19%
Trevor Hoffman
54.84%
Andruw Jones
9.68%
Chipper Jones
80.65%
Jeff Kent
3.23%
Edgar Martinez
70.97%
Hideki Matsui
6.45%
Fred McGriff
35.48%
Jamie Moyer
3.23%
Mike Mussina
45.16%
Manny Ramirez
29.03%
Scott Rolen
6.45%
Johan Santana
6.45%
Curt Schilling
35.48%
Gary Sheffield
19.35%
Sammy Sosa
9.68%
Jim Thome
48.39%
Omar Vizquel
25.81%
Billy Wagner
3.23%
Larry Walker
19.35%
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6.45%
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The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Old 01-20-18, 06:29 PM
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Originally Posted by LurkerDan View Post
Where are you getting this info? Thibodaux's spreadsheet shows 46.7% of known ballots, not 71%.
Ugh. Sorry about that. I had the tracker spreadsheet pulled up and was checking out the wealth of info which was included. Appears I must have toggled over to the 2017 tracker/results.
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Old 01-24-18, 09:12 AM
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Tracker at 56.4% now. Jones, Guerrero, and Thome will definitely make it. Hoffman and Martinez are at just over 77% so it's going to be nail-bitingly close for both. Mussina is next at just over 70%. Looks like he'll get in within the next two years.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

My guess is Edgar falls just a few votes short and then makes it in his final year.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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My guess is Edgar falls just a few votes short and then makes it in his final year.
Things definitely look good for him now, but it would be a shame to barely miss out. Especially since, as one writer pointed out, he's been left off of some ballots that contained the maximum 10 names. It's possible he has the support of over 75% now but some simply couldn't fit him on their ballot.

Hoffman's results are interesting. Usually when a guy gets close, he sails past the 75% mark the next year. Guerrero is the latest example of this. Hoffman hasn't seen a large bump, which is likely because some are staunch in their anti-closer sentiment.


Edit: There's actually a column on the tracker if a writer has indicated additional guys they wanted to vote for, but couldn't due to the limit. Edgar's name appears 7 times from those who provided this information.

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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 View Post
Tracker at 56.4% now. Jones, Guerrero, and Thome will definitely make it. Hoffman and Martinez are at just over 77% so it's going to be nail-bitingly close for both. Mussina is next at just over 70%. Looks like he'll get in within the next two years.
I continue to maintain that Mussina belongs in the Hall of the Very Good, but not HOF.
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I continue to maintain that Mussina belongs in the Hall of the Very Good, but not HOF.
I agree with this.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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Hoffman's results are interesting. Usually when a guy gets close, he sails past the 75% mark the next year. Guerrero is the latest example of this. Hoffman hasn't seen a large bump, which is likely because some are staunch in their anti-closer sentiment..
There is an entry for gained and lost votes from the previous year (ie, a voter who did not vote for them last year but did this year, and vice versa). Hoffman has gained 14 and lost 3 votes, so a net gain of 11. He missed enshrinement by 5 votes last year. So it isn't a huge bump, but it's likely a big enough bump to get him over the hump.

Edgar has gained 25 votes this year but he missed by 73 last year, sooo...
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You are a HOFer or not is not true because over 60% of the ballots vote for the max so most voters didn't get to vote for who they think belongs in the HOF.
That seems like a bit of a stretch. Even if 60% did want to vote for 11 people, I wouldn't consider that "most voters," and I figure there's a chance that a significant portion are OK with their 10.
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Old 01-24-18, 05:24 PM
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Chipper Jones,Vlad Guerrero,Jim Thome and Trevor Hoffman are the new MLB HOF members.
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I don't think Hoffman deserves too be in it. The Padres were a very mediocre team and the crappy teams back then were the teams that racked up the saves because their starting pitching didn't pitch deep into games.
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All deserving. Hopefully Edgar gets his bump next year and makes it.
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All deserving. Hopefully Edgar gets his bump next year and makes it.


I thought he'd be closer this year, but he's still in a good position.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Edgar needs to get in. One of the best pure RH hitters I have seen.
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Great selection but Edgar needs to make it next year.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

2019 first time candidates:

Lance Berkman
Roy Oswalt
Andy Pettitte
Mariano Rivera
Todd Helton
Roy Halladay
Juan Pierre
Kevin Youkilis
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Will Mo be unanimous? He should be.
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Not going to happen. If Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson can't make it unanimously, no one can, especially not a reliever.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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I don't think Hoffman deserves too be in it. The Padres were a very mediocre team and the crappy teams back then were the teams that racked up the saves because their starting pitching didn't pitch deep into games.
You didn't watch him pitch, then.

The dude was money. He was dominant. He helped get them to a freaking World Series!

He was the best closer I've ever seen. Period.
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You didn't watch him pitch, then.

The dude was money. He was dominant. He helped get them to a freaking World Series!

He was the best closer I've ever seen. Period.
Best entance. Hell's Bells.

Electrifying.
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You didn't watch him pitch, then.

The dude was money. He was dominant. He helped get them to a freaking World Series!

He was the best closer I've ever seen. Period.
Mike Mussina is 5th since 1900 in winning pct.. That's more important than a one inning reliefer .

I consider saves as the most meaningless stat in sports. Its a stat that makes teams that barely win great and a team that dominates and wins look mediocre because if you win 10-1 there would be no save(unless you pitched the last three innings in a blow out win).
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While I am a huge fan of Jim Thome, as he was one of the most popular Phillies for the little time he played here. For these writers to not even suspect that he did Steroids is another example of the double standard in this voting.

Yes, there were no 'rumors' of him taking PED's through his career, but the guy hit 600+ Homeruns during the Steroid era, how can you not suspect him? The only hitters to EVER do that before the Steroid Era was Ruth, Aaron and Mays (3 of the greatest hitters in the history of the sport).

The same went for Griffey when he was voted as there was no suspicion of him taking PED's despite the fact of hitting 57 Homeruns one season during the Steroid Era.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

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He was the best closer I've ever seen. Period.
If you say so.

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 View Post
Not going to happen. If Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson can't make it unanimously, no one can, especially not a reliever.
Right and he shouldn't be the first. I thought Ripken would be the first. The only upcoming player that has a shot is Jeter but you know there will be plenty of old curmudgeon writers that don't think anyone should go in on the first ballot.

There are a handful of guys that got inducted in the last 10 or so years -- Maddux, Unit, Ripken, Griffey, Gwynn -- that got pretty close to unanimous so I do think we'll eventually see someone. And honestly, if you left any of those guys off your ballot, you should have your voting privileges revoked, you're obviously off your rocker.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

I've seen far more "dominant" relievers/closers then Hoffman, either in individual seasons or a stretch of years. Consistency/longevity play a big role there though.

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While I am a huge fan of Jim Thome, as he was one of the most popular Phillies for the little time he played here. For these writers to not even suspect that he did Steroids is another example of the double standard in this voting.

Yes, there were no 'rumors' of him taking PED's through his career, but the guy hit 600+ Homeruns during the Steroid era, how can you not suspect him? The only hitters to EVER do that before the Steroid Era was Ruth, Aaron and Mays (3 of the greatest hitters in the history of the sport).

The same went for Griffey when he was voted as there was no suspicion of him taking PED's despite the fact of hitting 57 Homeruns one season during the Steroid Era.
Seems pretty clear to me that voters are drawing the line between the guys who have been named outright by reports and those who haven't. I don't think that's a double standard.
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As somebody that thinks Clemens/Bonds will get voted in eventually even I have to say that was a rather small increase this year. Still think they get voted in the next four years, especially as the logjam of players continues to disappear with these large voting classes.

Would have liked to have seen Martinez voted in but seems like a sure thing next year. Looks like that was the player DVD Talk and the real voters agreed on the most with Martinez at 70.9 here and 70.4 on the official vote.

Do think it is funny that Thome gets nearly 90% of the vote and only 48% here.
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2019 first time candidates:

Lance Berkman
Roy Oswalt
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Mariano Rivera
Todd Helton
Roy Halladay
Juan Pierre
Kevin Youkilis
Michael Young
Mariano Rivera
The others aren't HOF worthy
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