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View Poll Results: Who would you vote for to be inducted into the HOF in 2018?
Barry Bonds
58.06%
Chris Carpenter
0
0%
Roger Clemens
61.29%
Johnny Damon
3.23%
Vladimir Guerrero
74.19%
Trevor Hoffman
54.84%
Andruw Jones
9.68%
Chipper Jones
80.65%
Jeff Kent
3.23%
Edgar Martinez
70.97%
Hideki Matsui
6.45%
Fred McGriff
35.48%
Jamie Moyer
3.23%
Mike Mussina
45.16%
Manny Ramirez
29.03%
Scott Rolen
6.45%
Johan Santana
6.45%
Curt Schilling
35.48%
Gary Sheffield
19.35%
Sammy Sosa
9.68%
Jim Thome
48.39%
Omar Vizquel
25.81%
Billy Wagner
3.23%
Larry Walker
19.35%
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6.45%
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The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Old 01-04-18, 02:39 PM
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

I'm surprised Jeff Kent doesn't get more support. 20 years ago, the all-time homerun king at second would have gotten more consideration. He wasn't a great fielder or anything but it's difficult just staying at second base that long.
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Old 01-04-18, 03:22 PM
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Kent gets hurt because there are so many good players on the ballot. If he was better when he was younger he would be a sure fire hall of famer. Looking at his 10 year stats during his 30's you would be hard pressed to find a better 2b but he wasn't a HOF player in his 20s.
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I also think Kent gets hurt for a few other reasons. Wasn't especially well liked. And I think there's the steroid taint.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

The tracker now shows around 40% of the ballots.

Guerrero, Jones, Thome have to be locks at this point. All listed on over 90% of known ballots.

Edgar Martinez at 80%, Hoffman at 78% & Mussina at 73%.

Clemens, Bonds, Schilling at 66%

Announcement will be made on January 24th. Haven't checked, but that seems much later than it's normally done.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Last year’s thread said the announcement was on the 18th, so a week later this year.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

2016 was done on January 6th, 2015 on January 3rd.

I recalled it being early January. Not sure the reasoning behind it shifting to later in the month.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Originally Posted by Cardsfan111 View Post
The tracker now shows around 40% of the ballots.

Guerrero, Jones, Thome have to be locks at this point. All listed on over 90% of known ballots.

Edgar Martinez at 80%, Hoffman at 78% & Mussina at 73%.

Clemens, Bonds, Schilling at 66%
That tracker has so much info, really cool. For ex, Hoffman seems close to a lock, he missed by 5 votes last year, and the tracker shows he's gained 10 votes so far this year. Edgard gained 18 so far, but needed 73, so I'm guessing his candidacy goes down to the wire in year 10.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Looking at the tracker now, best guess is that Chipper, Thome, Vlad, and Hoffman make it (Vlad and Hoffman already have more new votes from returning voters than the amount they missed by last year).

Edgar will probably come very close but miss. Mussina will also come close.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Disgraceful that Hoffman is going to make it (if not this year, definitely next year) but Billy Wagner, who had the better career outside of total saves, isn't even going to sniff the HoF.

Wagner career numbers (16 seasons, 422 saves, 7 All-Star appearances): 2.31 ERA, ERA+187, 2.73 FIP, WHIP 0.998, 11.9 K/9, WAR of 27.7, Save % of 85.9
Hoffman career numbers (18 seasons, 601 saves, 7 All-Star appearances): 2.87 ERA, ERA+141, 3.08 FIP, WHIP 1.058, 9.4 K/9 WAR of 28.0, Save % of 88.8

Even Wagner's career best season (1999: 1.57 ERA, ERA+287, 39 saves, 74IP, 124SO, WHIP of .777) was more dominant than Hoffman's (1998: 1.48 ERA, ERA+265, 53 saves, 73IP, 86SO, WHIP of .849)

Save opportunities are largely due to the quality of your overall team, and because Hoffman was on better teams most of his career he had more chances to get the fancy "save" stat. Saves should be viewed the same way as wins for a SP.
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Old 01-17-18, 07:21 PM
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Get in line, Lee Smith never got close and he was the career saves leader when he retired.

I don't agree with the comment that Saves total should not matter.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Like I said, the # of saves should not matter. How dominant you are in the role is more important (save % is a better indicator of effectiveness than # of saves). Wagner was better than Smith too, in literally everything but number of saves, and he likely would have passed him. He pitched 2 fewer seasons and is only 46 saves behind.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

I was surprised when Wagner retired after 2010. He had just finished one of his best seasons, including a career-low 1.43 ERA. If he had stayed a couple more years and gotten to 500 saves, he might be getting more love.

He was dreadful in the postseason, though. I'm sure he's getting dinged a lot for that.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

If it was up to me, none of these relievers would be in the Hall of Fame. Relievers are nothing but failed starters and barely make an impact in the regular season given their few innings. No one pitching in high school or college sets out to be a reliever unless there are severe limitations in your talent.

I would make an exception for Mariano only because he was incredible in the postseason over a long period of time.

The modern closer just doesn't pitch enough to warrant the Hall of Fame.
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I think we just have to adjust our thinking in an era of specialization. Starting pitchers aren't the horses they used to be so we have to consider other pitchers, even though they might still not be worthy of the HOF.

Lee Smith was an excellent pitcher, but I never considered him a dominant HOF guy, even though he did save two All-Star Games.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

We now know 71% of the ballots.

Jones - 98.5%
Guerrero - 94.9%
Thome - 93.4%
E. Martinez - 80.7%
Hoffman - 78.2%
Mussina - 72.6%
Schilling - 65.0%
Bonds - 64.5%
Clemens - 64.5%

I love all the information we have access to seeing now. A point made by Jon Heyman that I hadn't considered--he suggests all this is to be made public, but only after the voting is done. Many voters are waiting to see the early trends before voting so they don't waste a vote or know if they need to toss a vote to a guy to keep him above 5%.

It's a decent point. And it may have impacted the results. Guys like Kent, Sheffield and McGriff have lost ground. Perhaps some figured it was a waste to vote for them when seeing results as they were being revealed. All of the names above have experienced big jumps, except for Hoffman. Larry Walker has also taken a big leap, 22% to over 40%.

A quote from the guy who does the tracking: Thibodaux said by phone, “I’m a little uncomfortable (about it) … I never had any desire to influence the process.”
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Im not a fan of releasing early ballot results because alot of these voters sometimes are swayed by trends. Ive always hated this idea that when a player slowly builds his % each year to get in the HOF.

Either you are a HOFer or not! I can look at a guy and inspect his stats, the era he played in, his playoff stats, his legacy and I can make a decision on whether he is a HOFer or not and never waver again.
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Im not a fan of releasing early ballot results because alot of these voters sometimes are swayed by trends. Ive always hated this idea that when a player slowly builds his % each year to get in the HOF.

Either you are a HOFer or not! I can look at a guy and inspect his stats, the era he played in, his playoff stats, his legacy and I can make a decision on whether he is a HOFer or not and never waver again.
Not only that, but any late voter can now become the Armond White of HOF voting and fuck someone's chances who is just in the borderline. For example, a player that has almost the required minimum votes to become a member can be fucked by a journalist trying to make a name for himself by being a troll and not voting for that player even though it's obvious that he should be in.
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Yeah, way too easy for voters to game the system.
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You are a HOFer or not is not true because over 60% of the ballots vote for the max so most voters didn't get to vote for who they think belongs in the HOF.
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Re: The 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot

Originally Posted by mcnabb View Post
Im not a fan of releasing early ballot results because alot of these voters sometimes are swayed by trends. Ive always hated this idea that when a player slowly builds his % each year to get in the HOF.

Either you are a HOFer or not! I can look at a guy and inspect his stats, the era he played in, his playoff stats, his legacy and I can make a decision on whether he is a HOFer or not and never waver again.
In the case of guy's like Raines and Blyleven the shift in voting was largely a generational one as a lot of SABR and WAR guy's championed them and a lot of the old timers on their early ballots just offhand looked at their traditional benchmark stat's and didn't see them as HOF.
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Aren't the ballots all due at the same time, sort of like Oscar voting? It is just guys choosing to to release the at different times.
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The vote tracking is certainly influencing the process around the margins. Guys on the voting bubble near the threshold seem to benefit the most. Players like Mike Piazza, Jeff Bagwell and Edgar Martinez all saw big jumps in voting once it became clear they were on the way to getting elected. Once a player now gets over 50%, it seems very likely other voters jump in like a bandwagon effect.
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The ballots were due by year end so a lot of the results were not known but there was certainly some out there.
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I think there was less than 40% out there by the close of voting.
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Originally Posted by Cardsfan111 View Post
We now know 71% of the ballots.

Jones - 98.5%
Guerrero - 94.9%
Thome - 93.4%
E. Martinez - 80.7%
Hoffman - 78.2%
Mussina - 72.6%
Schilling - 65.0%
Bonds - 64.5%
Clemens - 64.5%

I love all the information we have access to seeing now. A point made by Jon Heyman that I hadn't considered--he suggests all this is to be made public, but only after the voting is done. Many voters are waiting to see the early trends before voting so they don't waste a vote or know if they need to toss a vote to a guy to keep him above 5%.

It's a decent point. And it may have impacted the results. Guys like Kent, Sheffield and McGriff have lost ground. Perhaps some figured it was a waste to vote for them when seeing results as they were being revealed. All of the names above have experienced big jumps, except for Hoffman. Larry Walker has also taken a big leap, 22% to over 40%.

A quote from the guy who does the tracking: Thibodaux said by phone, Im a little uncomfortable (about it) I never had any desire to influence the process.
Where are you getting this info? Thibodaux's spreadsheet shows 46.7% of known ballots, not 71%.
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