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Old 10-20-11, 10:12 PM
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

What a waste of a fantastic start by Garcia.

I did not want them going back to Texas w/ a tied series and the momentum on their side w/ Lohse up next.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

If there's a team that will come back after this game, it will be these St. Louis Cardinals.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

Rangers haven't lost back to back in their last 42 games.
Old 10-20-11, 10:21 PM
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

Cards could have all but wrapped it up tonight...now, not so much.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight. Getting beat is going to happen, but when a bloop single, an ill-advised stolen base (it worked, but I don't see how Kinsler stealing in that situation is the smart play) and 2 sacrifice flies does you in, it stings.

Oh well, better to happen now than in a game 7. What an intense series this has been thru 2 games.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight. Getting beat is going to happen, but when a bloop single, an ill-advised stolen base (it worked, but I don't see how Kinsler stealing in that situation is the smart play) and 2 sacrifice flies does you in, it stings.

Oh well, better to happen now than in a game 7. What an intense series this has been thru 2 games.
Don't forget some outstanding defensive plays earlier in the game by the Rangers that kept them in the game.
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Don't forget some outstanding defensive plays earlier in the game by the Rangers that kept them in the game.
And I don't want to discredit Texas. They made some great plays and executed well in the 9th to take the lead.

I'm still thrilled with the way the Cards are playing. Their offense, while not scoring many runs, has continually put some great at-bats up. Their pitching has made the Rangers dynamic offense look rather ordinary. Game 3 will obviously be huge. Hopefully, the Cards will strike early to take the Texas crowd out of it a bit. St. Louis has scored first in 9 straight games, I believe, and that will be the best thing that can happen to them on Saturday night.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight. Getting beat is going to happen, but when a bloop single, an ill-advised stolen base (it worked, but I don't see how Kinsler stealing in that situation is the smart play) and 2 sacrifice flies does you in, it stings.
Lucky?

It's baseball.

This kind of stuff happens ALL THE TIME.

Come on... you know this.

Great series...so far though.
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Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight.
Yeah, it does at that.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

What a heartbreaker. The Rangers played extremely well and certainly deserved the win.

I'm not a fan of the move to take Motte out of the game. I know Rhodes is the Hamilton specialist, but I would have walked Hamilton and stuck with Motte to try and get a strike-out and/or double-play ball. That being said, this was the first move by Tony since leaving Garcia in too long in his first start against Milwaukee that has not been golden, so I can live with it.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight. Getting beat is going to happen, but when a bloop single, an ill-advised stolen base (it worked, but I don't see how Kinsler stealing in that situation is the smart play) and 2 sacrifice flies does you in, it stings.

Oh well, better to happen now than in a game 7. What an intense series this has been thru 2 games.

Please do not tell me if the Rangers win the World Series, you would say they were lucky?
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

So.....not so happy flight?
Old 10-21-11, 12:21 AM
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight. Getting beat is going to happen, but when a bloop single, an ill-advised stolen base (it worked, but I don't see how Kinsler stealing in that situation is the smart play) and 2 sacrifice flies does you in, it stings.
Was it lucky when Punto singled off of Young's glove?

Maybe Pujols should have cut that ball off to keep from getting lucky hustling to second.

Maybe Motte should have held the runner on better to keep him from getting lucky stealing second.
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Great series so far, looks like we could be heading to a 7 game series
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Great series so far, looks like we could be heading to a 7 game series
And it won't end in November this year.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

I don't think you can ask for too much more out of these first two games. Two well pitched, well played, tight ballgames that came down to the last out. We get a 9th inning comeback in one of them, and a hometown win in the other.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

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Please do not tell me if the Rangers win the World Series, you would say they were lucky?
It all depends on what happens these next few games.

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Was it lucky when Punto singled off of Young's glove?
It wasn't pointed out, but that actually was the result of another questionable decision by Washington. Young makes an easier play if he's not holding Freese on, but Texas was probably mindful of Freese's 2 career stolen bases.

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Maybe Pujols should have cut that ball off to keep from getting lucky hustling to second.

Maybe Motte should have held the runner on better to keep him from getting lucky stealing second.
I knew I'd take my lumps. No doubt about it, Texas took full advantage of their 9th inning opportunity by being super aggressive, and they're a team that's known for that kind of approach.

I've got a few friends who follow the Rangers who have indicated they were "fortunate" to win last night. Would that be a more acceptable word? If so, it's interesting to note that "lucky" is a synonym.

No bitterness on my end. Over the course of a long season, you win and lose some games like this. Just stings a bit more in a short series, even moreso in a World Series. Wish today wasn't an off day. This series has been fantastic and I'm ready for game 3.
Old 10-21-11, 09:03 AM
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I'm a Rangers fan and no one around Dallas is saying we were "fortunate" to win last night?

Seriously? STL was up 1 - 0 in the 9th inning. They didn't blow a huge lead or outplay the Rangers in the previous 8 innings. The Rangers just came out, lit their untouchable closer up for some solid hits, stole a serious base, were mindful of where the ball was at all times, had two scarifice flys and went up 2-1. Then Feliz shut the Cards down and the game was over. That's just good baseball.

Saying that the Rangers were fortunate to win is like saying the Cards were fortunate to win game 1.

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It wasn't pointed out, but that actually was the result of another questionable decision by Washington. Young makes an easier play if he's not holding Freese on, but Texas was probably mindful of Freese's 2 career stolen bases.
I was yelling at the TV wondering why Young was on the bag. Maybe they were worried about a liner down the foul line though

I knew I'd take my lumps. No doubt about it, Texas took full advantage of their 9th inning opportunity by being super aggressive, and they're a team that's known for that kind of approach.

I've got a few friends who follow the Rangers who have indicated they were "fortunate" to win last night. Would that be a more acceptable word? If so, it's interesting to note that "lucky" is a synonym.

No bitterness on my end. Over the course of a long season, you win and lose some games like this. Just stings a bit more in a short series, even moreso in a World Series. Wish today wasn't an off day. This series has been fantastic and I'm ready for game 3.
We were fortunate that we finally got something going last night, even if it was late. You mentioned that the Kinsler steal was ill-advised, but I completely disagree. Late in a game, down one is precisely the time you want to steal and sac-bunt. Andrus taking 2nd on that single was a little ill-advised, (without Pujols tipping that ball, he's almost assuredly out) but aggressiveness is our game plan and it worked out again.

I can't wait till tomorrow night. I haven't been this excited about a game in a LONG time.
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Re: MLB 2011, 107th World Series Edition - Cardinals vs Rangers

It is a good series. I just find it funny that people say that the Rangers are going to light it up offensively at home but yet the Cardinals bats will just continue the way they are. I hope Lohse keeps it low in the strike zone and Pujols went home early last night to get his golden bat.
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I'm a Rangers fan and no one around Dallas is saying we were "fortunate" to win last night?

Seriously? STL was up 1 - 0 in the 9th inning. They didn't blow a huge lead or outplay the Rangers in the previous 8 innings. The Rangers just came out, lit their untouchable closer up for some solid hits, stole a serious base, were mindful of where the ball was at all times, had two scarifice flys and went up 2-1. Then Feliz shut the Cards down and the game was over. That's just good baseball.

Saying that the Rangers were fortunate to win is like saying the Cards were fortunate to win game 1.
It's funny how people can take such offense to the idea of being lucky or being fortunate to win.

St. Louis was fortunate/lucky to win the Wild Card. It doesn't take away from how they played down the stretch, but if the Braves hadn't been awful, the Cards are at home watching this series. One of the games St. Louis won in the last month of the season involved a 2-run 9th inning rally where they scored on a bases loaded walk and a wild pitch. Sure the Cards did some things right in that 9th inning, but I admit they were lucky to win that one.

Last night, although not by a huge margin, St. Louis had more hits, more walks and fewer strikeouts. Texas had 5 singles, of which 2 or 3 were hit sharply. Contrary to your opinion, I don't think you'll find anyone playing for Texas, who will indicate they have lit up anyone on the Cards staff to this point.

My hope for tomorrow night is that someone will make the comment that the Cards were lucky to win Game 3. Won't bother me at all.
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It's funny how people can take such offense to the idea of being lucky or being fortunate to win.
I didn't take offense, I have no rotting interest in the series. I just think your comment was incorrect and makes you look like a sore loser.
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Looks like Carpenter could pitch game 4 and a possible game 7. All I ask for is that the offense picks it up a bit for the Cardinals and there is no reason to believe that they can't since the Rangers don't really have any aces in the hole for the next few games.
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Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
It may sound like sour grapes, but I can't help but think the Rangers got lucky tonight. Getting beat is going to happen, but when a bloop single, an ill-advised stolen base (it worked, but I don't see how Kinsler stealing in that situation is the smart play) and 2 sacrifice flies does you in, it stings.

Oh well, better to happen now than in a game 7. What an intense series this has been thru 2 games.
Funny...Didn't see any posts from you on how your team got "lucky" in game 1 in having to only get 26 outs instead of 27. Guess it's not lucky when your team wins.
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Originally Posted by puzzlefighter99 View Post
Funny...Didn't see any posts from you on how your team got "lucky" in game 1 in having to only get 26 outs instead of 27. Guess it's not lucky when your team wins.


I watched the game and saw 27 outs recorded. Oh well, I hereby declare that St. Louis was lucky to win Game 1. Feel better?

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