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world cup 2010 official thread - pII (Knockout round)

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I don't think Holland will have much of a problem against Slovakia.
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I don't think Holland will have much of a problem against Slovakia.
It's like you're psychic or something.
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The Dutch look good. Robben helps.
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Slovakia have been doing alright in this one, far better than I thought. Difficult to get up for this one though after the manshaming England received from our German neighbors the other day.
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Slovakia have been doing alright in this one, far better than I thought. Difficult to get up for this one though after the manshaming England received from our German neighbors the other day.
The English looked old and disintrested. They need a kick in the nuts. For your sake, hopefully they just got one.
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"The temptation across the English game must be to retreat to the sanctuary of the Premier League, with its Super Sunday clashes between empires of debt."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...-fabio-capello
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The English looked old and disintrested. They need a kick in the nuts. For your sake, hopefully they just got one.
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To solve the bad refereeing problem, FIFA is going to eliminate instant replay in the stadium big screens.

FIFA: Replay of Tevez goal 'a mistake'

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JOHANNESBURG -- FIFA will censor World Cup match action being shown on giant screens inside the stadium after replays of Argentina's disputed first goal against Mexico fueled arguments on the pitch.

Angry Mexico players protested to referee Roberto Rosetti after the screens in Johannesburg's Soccer City showed Argentina forward Carlos Tevez was offside before he scored the opening goal in a 3-1 victory on Sunday.

FIFA spokesman Nicolas Maingot said Monday that replaying the incident was "a clear mistake."

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"This will be corrected and we will have a closer look into that," Maingot told a news conference Monday. "We will work on this and be a bit more, I would say, tight on this for the games to be played."

Maingot said the screens were used to broadcast a FIFA "infotainment program" to fans before the match and could be used to replay some match action.

Responsibility for operating the screens falls to South Africa's World Cup organizing committee, which took charge of the 10 stadiums during the tournament.

Organizers' spokesman Jermaine Craig said he had spoken to the stadium broadcasting team about the incident.

"The goal was awarded and it happened relatively quickly," Craig said. "In retrospect, maybe it shouldn't have been shown. It was shown and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about that."

Maingot said FIFA has not yet received feedback from its officials at the match about a mass confrontation between coaches and players behind the Mexico bench as the teams left the field at halftime.

Italian referee Rosetti was at the center of a melee trying to separate heated conversations that included Argentina coach Diego Maradona.
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The FIFA officials are fucking idiots.
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Re: world cup 2010 official thread - pII (Knockout round)

I figured they already didn't show close calls on the video boards. MLB policy precludes it.
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It's like you're psychic or something.
Well, yes I am. thank you for noticing. The Brazil match will be interesting as Brazil hasn't really been all that impressive as prior teams have been even some of the more questionable ones.
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Re: world cup 2010 official thread - pII (Knockout round)

Well, it looks like the DC City Government is running FIFA.

(a) Rather than fix the problem leading to undeserved goals being credited (offsides) or deserved goals not being credited (ENG-ARG, USA-SLO, etc), FIFA has decided to shut down the means by which the problems are reported.

(b) Rather than fix the problems in 2000 that were causing manhole covers in Georgetown to be blown off, with the risk of injury or even death to passers by, DC decided to use HEAVIER MANHOLE COVERS.

Sheesh!
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To solve the bad refereeing problem, FIFA is going to eliminate instant replay in the stadium big screens.


The FIFA officials are fucking idiots.
They're definitely idiots, but you can't expect them to put any new system in place in the middle of the World Cup.

After they inevitably don't change anything when the Cup is over, that will be the time to complain.
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I guess the right day to get sick and have to stay home from work. Just wish the Dutch could make one of the close shots stick, this game is still too close for comfort.

Also appears that we have found a worse organization than the NCAA/BCS...... FIFA!!!
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They're definitely idiots, but you can't expect them to put any new system in place in the middle of the World Cup.

After they inevitably don't change anything when the Cup is over, that will be the time to complain.
But they are changing things in the middle of the World Cup? :P
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They're definitely idiots, but you can't expect them to put any new system in place in the middle of the World Cup.
I don't expect them to put a new system now, but it would be good to hear something along the lines that they are going to review the current system when the cup is over and take into consideration adding referees in the field and goal posts and instant replay for future events. Instead, the players and fans are getting a big fuck you, there is nothing to change here response.
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But they are changing things in the middle of the World Cup? :P
Nothing gameplay-related.
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Finally!
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NED advances. Now comes the tough test, unless Chile pulls off some miracle today.
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Here's a post by a blogger at BigSoccer on what the 2010 World Cup meant to the US:

Answering the big questions about the USA's World Cup "run" and other subjects

Posted Today at 10:35 AM by Aaron Stollar

One of the consequences of the World Cup going mainstream this year is that my friends and coworkers have deluged me with questions because I am that guy in the office who writes a soccer blog. I try really hard to be patient and welcoming no matter how stupid or ignorant the question, and to be fair, I've gotten very few "why doesn't someone just pick it up"-style questions this time around. But here, in lieu of actually having to write a long narrative summing up my opinions on the USA and this World Cup are some of my answers to the questions I've seen most asked this month.

How big of "missed opportunity" was this for the US? Umm, not all that big. Yes, the draw worked out well for the US, but it can only be a missed opportunity if you actually think a team with no functioning forwards and a defense that might be at an English lower division level could actually seize it. Saying it's a missed opportunity is like saying that just because a 5,000 meter running race was run at a really slow pace, somehow I would've had an opportunity to win it. No I wouldn't. I'm really slow. Well, the US team was the same way. They were never going to be able to grab the opportunity because our talent pool at forward and defender is more shallow than Heidi Montag. That wasn't news going into the tournament, and goodness knows it's not a surprise that those two reasons best define why the US exited the World Cup when it did. I'd argue that considering the Onyewu and Davies injuries, the US overachieved. If I told you that in the all the US matches, they'd lead for only 5 minutes, surrender the first goal in all but 1 match and not have a single forward score a goal, you'd tell me, "Oh my God, it's 2006, we've gone 3-and-out all over again, what a debacle." Well it wasn't a debacle. It was overachievement. When you see senior American soccer writers moaning over the "missed opportunity," what they're really moaning about is their missed opportunity to write the big US triumph story they've always wanted to. If they wanted to write big triumphant stories of glory and success, they should've found a gig covering the Yankees or Patriots. Plus, have you watched Uruguay? They would've just demolished the USA in the quarterfinals?

Who's fault is the loss? Well, it's everyone's really. (Not the fans, but everyone else.) Many of players like Jay DeMerit, Ricardo Clark, and Robbie Findlay were exposed as just not being of international caliber and not belonging on that stage. It's also Bradley's fault. I think he brought the right team here (Would pounding balls at Brian Ching's head v. England/Ghana really changed that much?), but he never could sort his lineup out. His Ghana lineup will be the reason he doesn't return as US coach because as his early sub showed, Clark simply didn't belong out on that stage. He wasn't good enough. A lot of people are going to use this as an opportunity to pile on Sunil Gulati once more. In the end, it's not as if he can make central defenders just appear out of the ether. I'm sure he shares some of the blame, but I just can't think where at this time.

Should Bradley return after his contract expires in December? I am not sure anyone has defended Bradley quite as much as I have. I always thought that he just barely good enough to help us win. It turns out that he's just barely bad enough to make us lose. His decision to start Clark against Ghana was one stuck-in-lineup-rut-moment too far for me. He's gotta go. I think Craig Stouffer hits the nail on the head when he says that "Bradley could never get out of his own way." Unlike Craig, I don't have a problem with Edson Buddle not seeing the field. I'd rather submit myself to oral surgery than watch Edson Buddle play in a big match for a team I support.

Why did Bradley stick by Altidore once it became clear he couldn't score? Because he is the only attacking player in American soccer who can physically dominate opponents. Remember against England, where he made that tremendous run down the left, dragging Jamie Carragher's carcass down the field with him? There isn't another player in this country who could've done that. Any one of our fleet little whippets in midfield would've been shoved off the ball within a few strides. But not Altidore, and that's why he's so indespensible. He's the only attacking player we have that has the strength alongside the required technical skillset. The modern game requires both and quite simply, he's all we've got for now.

What does this mean for soccer in the USA?
The single most important thing is that the ratings bonanza ESPN has gotten justifies the company's investment in the sport, and with the next World Cup coming in the far more TV friendly timezone of Brazil, ESPN will only stand to gain from its investment. As long as ESPN stands by the sport, it's not going anywhere in the American sporting consciousness. As long as ESPN both hypes and covers the sport, newspapers, blogs and subsequent eyeballs will follow. It's ESPN's world, and as sports fans we're just living in it.

What next for US Soccer? 2011 will not be nearly the deadzone that some are making it out to be. For one, you've got both the U17 and U20 World Championships that the USA needs to qualify for and compete in. Those will be interesting barometers to see if there is a next generation of American talent and see where we look strong and where we're weak. On top of that, there is the 2011 Gold Cup where I hope our new manager decides to go young and see what we have in the way of 20-somethings in American soccer. I think to a large extent, the 2011 Gold Cup will show whether, in 2014, our new manager hopes to wring one more Round of 16-run out of this group of players or start building a stronger team towards 2018 and possible 2022 (hopefully hosted by the USA).

Will this team ever be a contender to win the World Cup? I'm 27, I expect the US to contend in my lifetime. I expect it to be later rather than sooner and that's for no other reason that the US has only been trying to compete at this since 1990 - only 20 years. If I had to set a goal in which I expect the USA to contend for a title, I'd say 2022, when hopefully we're hosting that World Cup.

Speaking of 2022, do you think we'll get that World Cup? Here is a terrible irony of this World Cup, every single empty seat that you see in a South African stadium this month only goes to strengthen the US bid for 2022. Every seat that appears on empty on worldwide TV strengthens the case the USA makes that it is a hugely safe bet to fill every seat in 2022. (Don't take the 2018 effort seriously. Gulati, smartly, is staying in that only as leverage in the pre-vote horsetrading to come.) Qatar can't say that. I don't even think Australia can say that. In terms of ticketing here's what the upcoming World Cups look like to FIFA.

2010 - South Africa - Risky gambit, but worth it for Blatter politically to go to Africa.
2014 - Brazil - Slightly risky especially if construction starts getting held up or safety deterioates in areas around stadiums.
2018 - Europe - Likely England or Spain, mortal locks to sell every seat and as long as Al Qaida and ETA stay away, to be very successful tournaments.
2022 - ??? - Would FIFA really want to go to Qatar and take a risk on a World Cup venue for the third-time in four tournaments? I doubt it. The US would sell more seats than any tournament in history as long as they don't utterly butcher setting the ticket prices. I started the 2010 World Cup thinking it was an uphill climb for the US to beat out Qatar for 2022, now I think the hill is far less steep.

Is it true what columnists say, that the US will never contend in the World Cup because our best athletes play either basketball or football? This is of course the Bill Simmons Omnibus Theory of American soccer, one that in the past I've disagreed with totally. I think our success in Olympic sports like track, swimming, cycling, and volleyball proves that not all our best athletes get syphoned into football and basketball. Despite his speed, Michael Johnson didn't end up a football player. Despite his wingspan (and propensity for weed), Michael Phelps didn't end up in the NBA either. I tend to believe that the US is large and wealthy enough to produce enough elite athletes to "go around." That said, I think watching our little guys lose every loose and aerial ball to Ghana and England gave the theory some credence. I don't think it means that the USA is doomed, it does mean that I think we need to do a better job of getting the best athletes to play soccer (and as MLS gets better, pays more, and raises its profile, that will help) but it also means we need to make sure that our big guys aren't all syphoned into playing center back (though God knows we need them too), but that some end up playing in places you wouldn't expect, like the 6-1 Thomas Muller playing on the outside of midfield for Germany.

Why is the officiating so bad?
Because, quite simply, it's too hard to do without more referees and video review. I pity the officials rather than hate them. They're hung out to dry by a governing body that fears change and quite frankly, feels that video replay is an "American" thing that doesn't belong in its sport. I am not a soccer exceptionalist. I believe that all sports can learn from others. That's why I am amazed that soccer has become literally the last major sport on earth that does not use video or electronic technology to assist its officials in getting the result right. There's not other word for it other than stupid.
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To solve the bad refereeing problem, FIFA is going to eliminate instant replay in the stadium big screens.
Yeah, the last thing you want in a professional sporting event is accurate information.
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The single most important thing is that the ratings bonanza ESPN has gotten justifies the company's investment in the sport, and with the next World Cup coming in the far more TV friendly timezone of Brazil, ESPN will only stand to gain from its investment. As long as ESPN stands by the sport, it's not going anywhere in the American sporting consciousness. As long as ESPN both hypes and covers the sport, newspapers, blogs and subsequent eyeballs will follow. It's ESPN's world, and as sports fans we're just living in it.
Well, ESPN will instantly stop hyping the Futbol/World Cup right after the WC as NBC instantly stop hyping track and field/Olympics after the last summer Olympics. Three years of silence then another one off event.
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Well, ESPN will instantly stop hyping the Futbol/World Cup right after the WC as NBC instantly stop hyping track and field/Olympics after the last summer Olympics. Three years of silence then another one off event.
ESPN shows two Premier League matches a week, and at least one La Liga match a week. They also show, AFAIK, every USMNT game, along with (one assumes based on past broadcasts) every match of the Euro 2012 tournament.
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Well, ESPN will instantly stop hyping the Futbol/World Cup right after the WC as NBC instantly stop hyping track and field/Olympics after the last summer Olympics. Three years of silence then another one off event.
You haven't been paying attention. ESPN showed Euro 2008. They also show Premier League and Champions League games, and would show more if they had the rights to more games.
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You haven't been paying attention. ESPN showed Euro 2008. They also show Premier League and Champions League games, and would show more if they had the rights to more games.
FSC has the Champions League now. ESPN decided the BPL was a better investment.

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