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MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

Figured we needed a place for fans of the 28 teams no longer playing to discuss their teams and newsworthy MLB headlines.



Starting with a big headline:

Mark McGwire to be Cardinals hitting coach in 2010


Count me as one that's shocked by this. I'm not bothered by it, and I think he can do a great job. I just figured McGwire had resigned to the recluse lifestyle. Obviously, he'll face lots of questions. Hope he's prepared for it and doesn't bail out under the barrage of media attention.
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Re: MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
Figured we needed a place for fans of the 28 teams no longer playing to discuss their teams and newsworthy MLB headlines.



Starting with a big headline:

Mark McGwire to be Cardinals hitting coach in 2010


Count me as one that's shocked by this. I'm not bothered by it, and I think he can do a great job. I just figured McGwire had resigned to the recluse lifestyle. Obviously, he'll face lots of questions. Hope he's prepared for it and doesn't bail out under the barrage of media attention.
It's going to be a circus in Spring Training for the Cardinals. If they're smart, they'll hold a press conference where he can address any and all questions relating to his roid use.

-edit Also, Big Mac needs to man the fuck up and admit he did them. If he does, it will go a long way to healing the public's image of him.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Manny Acta to manage Cleveland. He beats out Bobby Valentine, and Cleveland beats out Houston for Acta's services.
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^ Interesting article outlining how much Acta wanted and pursued the job. A slant I don't usually consider, a managerial candidate doing their homework and working to impress a team.
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I love the blurb on Valentine. Way to show up, Bobby. "Thanks for interviewing me. So, uh, is this some sort of football team or something?"
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Re: MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

Originally Posted by cardsfan111 View Post
Starting with a big headline:

Mark McGwire to be Cardinals hitting coach in 2010


Count me as one that's shocked by this. I'm not bothered by it, and I think he can do a great job. I just figured McGwire had resigned to the recluse lifestyle. Obviously, he'll face lots of questions. Hope he's prepared for it and doesn't bail out under the barrage of media attention.
I don't see the benefit for this for the Cardinals. You're creating a media circus and plenty of negative press... is adding Mac as a hitting coach really worth it? I'm sure he can do a fine job but it seems like you can get someone who can do just as well with much less baggage.
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Re: MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

former New York Mets manager Bobby Valentine, who may have eliminated himself from consideration when he arrived at second interview earlier this week and admitted that he not done his homework on Cleveland or the American League and wasn’t sure he wanted the job.
I wonder if he showed up wearing the disguise he was wearing after he was thrown out of a game years ago.
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I don't see the benefit for this for the Cardinals. You're creating a media circus and plenty of negative press... is adding Mac as a hitting coach really worth it? I'm sure he can do a fine job but it seems like you can get someone who can do just as well with much less baggage.
From what I've heard/read, McGwire would be "available" like any other coach and surely he can anticipate what he's about to walk in to. I predict there will be a press conference at some point where he'll hit this head on and it will be put behind him (much like Pettitte, A-Rod, etc.) I don't think the team will take the heat so much, unless as I indicated before, McGwire quits and leaves them looking foolish.

As far as the fit, McGwire certainly has a familiarity with the organization and coaches. He's also provided individual instruction to several Cardinals during the last few years. And the weak spot for St. Louis this year was plate discipline...a philosophy that McGwire obviously embraced as a hitter himself.

And it can't be overlooked that LaRussa threw in his two cents about McGwire coming back. Though he's been quoted as saying he was still leaning towards a return to the Cardinals regardless of the decision to have McGwire as a coach, management probably felt like this would seal the deal for LaRussa (and Duncan) to come back.

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Re: MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

I had a feeling this would be started today.

Now let's see if he bails on the gig before spring training.
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And it can't be overlooked that LaRussa threw in his two cents about McGwire coming back. Though he's been quoted as saying he was still leaning towards a return to the Cardinals regardless of the decision to have McGwire as a coach, management probably felt like this would seal the deal for LaRussa (and Duncan) to come back.
I heard that Duncan was pissed off at the Cardinals organization for how they treated his son. From the way his attitude as being portrayed, it didn't look like he wanted to come back at all.
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I love when the McGwire defenders in baseball say, "Well, Steroids wasn't illegal when he played, so why is everyone castigating him!"

I would answer, "Then why doesn't he just tell the truth and admit he did it and say it wasn't illegal at the time."

He wont do that because he knows his career will be tainted, (as it already is) if he admits to taking steroids, even though they weren't testing in 1998.

Just admit it Mark, and just say that it was the culture at that time. I believe guys saw other guys getting bigger, and felt they had to stay competitive and steroids may have been the only way. I am not defending the roid guys, but I can see how they all got swept up into it.

We all want to move on, but as long as they guys 'dont want to talk about the past', this issue will always linger.
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Re: MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

The Astros have hired Brad Mills, formerly bench coach for the Red Sox, as their new manager.

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Publicly stated as not their first choice. They were snubbed by Acta when he went to Cleveland.
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Good for Mills, although I'm surprised that they didn't rehire Garner.
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Good for Mills, although I'm surprised that they didn't rehire Garner.
I heard Garner's name brought up for the opening, but I wonder if he was even seriously considered. Even if Houston wanted to bring back the guy they fired just 2+ years ago, would Garner even consider it? Surely there'd have to be some bad feelings between the two sides.
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I heard Garner's name brought up for the opening, but I wonder if he was even seriously considered. Even if Houston wanted to bring back the guy they fired just 2+ years ago, would Garner even consider it? Surely there'd have to be some bad feelings between the two sides.
It was kind of an interesting story, and Garner came off as a little bit snakey. Basically he called the FO to put in a good word for his friend, Bob Melvin. During the call, they actually asked him to interview and he was all over it.

Anyway, among a lot of the local sports talking heads, he was the first choice. The consensus is really that he got fired for not overacheiving with a weak team as he had before, and that he didn't get a fair shake. I'm not sure if he was there at the end with Clark, Acta, and Mills, but he got pretty far into it.
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Re: MLB 2009-2010 Offseason Thread

Aroldis Chapman was supposed to throw a bullpen at Fenway today (some reports had teams besides the Red Sox observing), but first the rains came and canceled it......
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^I don't care where he ends up, I just hope he's a flop. I don't like teams spending so much money on talent that hasn't played in the majors.
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Yanks win World Series in 5!

oh...these are current headlines. my bad.
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Count me as one that's shocked by this. I'm not bothered by it, and I think he can do a great job. I just figured McGwire had resigned to the recluse lifestyle. Obviously, he'll face lots of questions. Hope he's prepared for it and doesn't bail out under the barrage of media attention.
I think this is his attempt to repair his image. That was never going to happen so long as he stayed away from baseball.
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Somthing I found interesting... I heard in the Houston media that the Astros wanted to get their manager hired/announced before Selig's "ban" on announcements during the World Series. I also read that the Cardinals called Selig before announcing McGwire has hitting coach, asking if it was ok to do so (not permission to hire McGwire, but inquiring whether they could make the announcement itself).

Guess all of this is related to the A-Rod controversy from a couple of years ago when he/Boras made news while the World Series was being played. I knew Selig was unhappy about that, but didn't realize he had apparently put his foot down.
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^Leave it to Selig to "put his foot down" over shit that doesn't matter.
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Dbacks have to decide 5 days after WS on whether to pick up Webb's $8.5 million option or buy him out at $2 million. Either way, he's gone from here, just might be one year earlier.
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Dbacks have to decide 5 days after WS on whether to pick up Webb's $8.5 million option or buy him out at $2 million. Either way, he's gone from here, just might be one year earlier.
What's the update concerning his health? In essence the decision comes down to whether his expected performance in 2010 will be worth 6.5 million.
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What's the update concerning his health? In essence the decision comes down to whether his expected performance in 2010 will be worth 6.5 million.
nobody knows. because his surgery was so late in the season (his own fault for not getting it early) the Dbacks will be totally in the dark. he could go back to being the way he was or he could be completely done. basically a coin flip.
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I think this is his attempt to repair his image. That was never going to happen so long as he stayed away from baseball.
I think that's it. He knows he's never going to make the HOF on his current path so he needs to take the risk and see if he can change his fortunes.

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